VN Ren'Py The Fiery Scion [Update 28a] [Vander]

[harem.king]

And, as we keep saying about this game, this is specifically and explicitly called out in the OP (Developer Notes spoiler), and has been since the start:

" And that semi-public sex is part of the setting so you will be in situations were they fuck their own women from time to time, but you won't have to see it if you choose not to . But no sharing. Fuck that. "

Which makes this one of the very rare threads where everything IS actually fully honestly explicitly outlined.
Usually such things are hidden under the aegis of "technically it isn't NTR because"...
and then come all the NTR lawyer things like

> they hold you down while forcing you to watch as they rape your wife which means she is not consenting and therefore not NTR. so we won't mention any of that in the OP or the tags or anywhere else and any mention of cuckoldry in the thread will be deleted"
> She had a high bodycount before you met so therefore it is unreasonable to expect loyalty now that she is with you
> you cheat on her first so it does not count if she cheats on you back in revenge
> she only kissed you and you didn't fuck yet, therefore she isn't yours yet at the time where you see her fucking chad.
> your MC does not "true love" her so it does not count
> the MC enjoys her cheating and feels no jealously, so it does not count
etc etc etc

this makes it necessary to ALWAYS in every thread search the thread for NTR and read every single post on the subject
Because dev will hide it as much as they can in the description

 

[Tiur]

1. orgy IS a form of swinging. switching partners is another form.
2. You literally quoted me saying explicitly said it is technically not swinging because you don't actually touch each other's wives.
3. It is very close to it, because you are literally exposing yourself and your spouses to each other, during sex, an intimate moment. The other guy is letting you look at his cock and his wife's pussy, look at her O-face, and participate as a voyeur bringing sexual excitement to them. And vice versa, you are letting him do the same.
4. It honestly feels like a situation where both men are too shy to admit they want to swing, so they are inching towards it. swinging chicken rather than gay chicken.

This is... quite a take. It also is directly contradicted by what Vander has said, both in the OP Developer Notes spoiler and throughout the thread. It is packed with some Olympic gymnastics-level stretching, and some wild assumptions.

 

[harem.king]

This is... quite a take. It also is directly contradicted by what Vander has said, both in the OP Developer Notes spoiler and throughout the thread. It is packed with some Olympic gymnastics-level stretching, and some wild assumptions.

1. the OP is irrelevant to our discussion about swinging and whatever the fuck you call two couples fucking together in the same room without crossing the wife swapping line.

2. we are having a discussion here about the definition of swinging.
the original start of the argument was EXPLICITLY about other threads, as he noted that 95% of OTHER THREADS THAT ARE NOT THIS GAME explicitly tell you in the OP everything in them, and I disagreed and said that said other threads that are not this game do not do that at all.
which caused Skep-tiker to step in and invok tribalism to assume that if I disagree with him about ANYTHING at all I must be in the other tribe and thus "one of those people who think X is swinging".

so you are highly over focused on this game specifically whereas the definition of the word swinging has nothing to do with this game.
This game only matters to the question of whether there is swinging in this game,
Which is a completely different argument from the one we are having about the definition of swinging

3. you are projecting (accusing me of what you are doing) very hard here.
You are doing Olympic gymnastics-level stretching to explain why this "technically not swinging" there is nothing at all weird or sexual about letting your buddy sit in the room with you and watch you fuck your wife in exchange for vice versa.
nope, completely ordinary behavior /sarcasm.

 

[Woodstock_1983]

95% of all threads on this site answer the question of "To Loli/Incest/NTR or not to Loli/Incest/NTR?" in the OP under Genre and/or Dev Notes.

All one has to do is READ THE WHOLE OP!

Anyway, I don't know why I don't auto-List™ everyone who asks these questions. In fact ...

Instead of keep saying check the OP try saying check the genre. When I see someone say check the OP, the first thing that comes to mind is the Developer Notes. not the Genre

 

[Skep-tiker]

1. the OP is irrelevant to our discussion about swinging and whatever the fuck you call two couples fucking together in the same room without crossing the wife swapping line.

2. we are having a discussion here about the definition of swinging.
the original start of the argument was EXPLICITLY about other threads, as he noted that 95% of OTHER THREADS THAT ARE NOT THIS GAME explicitly tell you in the OP everything in them, and I disagreed and said that said other threads that are not this game do not do that at all. And thus he invoked tribalism to assume that if I disagree with him about ANYTHING at all I must be in the other tribe and thus "one of those people who think X is swinging".

so you are highly over focused on this game specifically whereas the definition of the word swinging has nothing to do with this game.
This game only matters to the question of whether there is swinging in this game,
Which is a completely different argument from the one we are having about the definition of swinging

3. you are projecting (accusing me of what you are doing) very hard here.
You are doing Olympic gymnastics-level stretching to explain why this "technically not swinging" there is nothing at all weird or sexual about letting your buddy sit in the room with you and watch you fuck your wife in exchange for vice versa.
nope, completely ordinary behavior /sarcasm.

I doubt we have a discussion. You’re spreading out your opinion on this matter like it’s the holy grail of wisdom…
It’s exhibitionism, but never swinging. Because swinging consists of any form of outsider INCLUDED into the action. But derived from the length of your texts, you are easily offended by each and everything. Why didn’t you choose to leave the room for the scene in question?

 

[harem.king]

I doubt we have a discussion. You’re spreading out your opinion on this matter like it’s the holy grail of wisdom…
It’s exhibitionism, but never swinging. Because swinging consists of any form of outsider INCLUDED into the action. But derived from the length of your texts, you are easily offended by each and everything. Why didn’t you choose to leave the room for the scene in question?

Stop trying to psychoanalyze me and assuming what I did or didn't do in the game
assuming is the path towards becoming an ass.

So we are not having a civil discussion but instead I am "spreading my opinion"?
and you are doing what exactly? what do you call it when you type words directed towards me? asking me questions? its not a discussion? its not you sharing your opinion? what is it exactly?

Why didn’t you choose to leave the room for the scene in question?

I did leave the room. Because I am not into "technically not swinging".
I am still wanting to know what this fetish is called. Its not exhibitionism because you are not in public, you have two couples both in a private room.
Anyways, even if technically not swinging, they are still not my thing.

 

[Skep-tiker]

Stop trying to psychoanalyze me and assuming what I did or didn't do in the game
assuming is the path towards becoming an ass.

So we are not having a civil discussion but instead I am "spreading my opinion"?
and you are doing what exactly? what do you call it when you type words directed towards me? asking me questions? its not a discussion? its not you sharing your opinion? what is it exactly?

I did leave the room. Because I am not into "technically not swinging".
I am still wanting to know what this fetish is called. Its not exhibitionism because you are not in public, you have two couples both in a private room.
Anyways, even if technically not swinging, they are still not my thing.

Not psychoanalysing, just exercising my right of speech.

Exhibitionism is derived from exhibit, which means showing. Publicity isn’t a necessary component.

 

[Woodstock_1983]

Not psychoanalysing, just exercising my right of speech.

Exhibitionism is derived from exhibit, which means showing. Publicity isn’t a necessary component.

I looked it up and it's called same room sex. It's not Exhibitionism.

 

[Woodstock_1983]

On another note, does the MC ever finds out what his father was and why he has the powers he has?

 

[Tiur]

On another note, does the MC ever finds out what his father was and why he has the powers he has?

Not yet, but it's likely that it will be eventually revealed. The game's nowhere near the end, so there's still a lot of story space for it.

 

[Alandir]

Which makes this one of the very rare threads where everything IS actually fully honestly explicitly outlined.
Usually such things are hidden under the aegis of "technically it isn't NTR because"...
and then come all the NTR lawyer things like

> they hold you down while forcing you to watch as they rape your wife which means she is not consenting and therefore not NTR. so we won't mention any of that in the OP or the tags or anywhere else and any mention of cuckoldry in the thread will be deleted"
> She had a high bodycount before you met so therefore it is unreasonable to expect loyalty now that she is with you
> you cheat on her first so it does not count if she cheats on you back in revenge
> she only kissed you and you didn't fuck yet, therefore she isn't yours yet at the time where you see her fucking chad.
> your MC does not "true love" her so it does not count
> the MC enjoys her cheating and feels no jealously, so it does not count
etc etc etc

this makes it necessary to ALWAYS in every thread search the thread for NTR and read every single post on the subject
Because dev will hide it as much as they can in the description

I call BS. I have seen quite a number of ntr games on here and they have been quite open about containing ntr. Some games may have optional ntr and not advertise it since that's not the focus of the game, but if you go down an optional ntr route, you really have noone to blame but yourself.

What examples of games do you have that do what you claim? Putting time and effort into developing an ntr game and then trying to hide the ntr from potential players is quite a nonsense dev strategy.

What I have seen quite a bit is very nitpicky players crying about ntr for quite absurd reasons. "She kissed the other girl in a mff threesome! NTR!"

 

[Skep-tiker]

I call BS. I have seen quite a number of ntr games on here and they have been quite open about containing ntr. Some games may have optional ntr and not advertise it since that's not the focus of the game, but if you go down an optional ntr route, you really have noone to blame but yourself.

What examples of games do you have that do what you claim? Putting time and effort into developing an ntr game and then trying to hide the ntr from potential players is quite a nonsense dev strategy.

What I have seen quite a bit is very nitpicky players crying about ntr for quite absurd reasons. "She kissed the other girl in a mff threesome! NTR!"

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Just the first that came to my head. Not that I agree with the poster you quoted, but devs sneaking in NTR is a thing…

 

[Alandir]

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Just the first that came to my head. Not that I agree with the poster you quoted, but devs sneaking in NTR is a thing…

Hmm. I tend to avoid Daz games since they just look horrible to me, so that might be why I haven't seen it.
Though I wouldn't ever play a game called 'Dating my Daughter' anyway. And I would never expect a game with the words 'my wife' in the title to not be filled with boatloads of ntr.

 

[Vanderer]

Oh, for fuck sake, if you guys want a debate about NTR, especially about OTHER GAMES, could you have it in another thread, like in General or something?

 

[TigerWolfe]

Oh, for fuck sake, if you guys want a debate about NTR, especially about OTHER GAMES, could you have it in another thread, like in General or something?

Get 'em!

 

[Skep-tiker]

Oh, for fuck sake, if you guys want a debate about NTR, especially about OTHER GAMES, could you have it in another thread, like in General or something?

Sorry

 

[Dragon1960]

i would like to see the party go clear out the mine they talked about earlier.

 

[harem.king]

What examples of games do you have that do what you claim?

off the top of my head:

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Putting time and effort into developing an ntr game and then trying to hide the ntr from potential players is quite a nonsense dev strategy.

I agree that it is a bad economic strategy. but turns out most humans are really bad at economics.
Luckily this dev is perfectly honest and upfront about what is in the game. has no NTR, and warns you about the more icky parts explicitly ahead of time so people can be aware before they play.

 

[kMimster]

off the top of my head:

> they hold you down while forcing you to watch as they rape your wife which means she is not consenting and therefore not NTR. so we won't mention any of that in the OP or the tags or anywhere else and any mention of cuckoldry in the thread will be deleted"

Hero's Party R, focused on the hero party so only a few girls. girls get gang raped, not netorare according to the power that be on this site because how DARE you suggest it get that tag for rape

> She had a high bodycount before you met so therefore it is unreasonable to expect loyalty now that she is with you

succubus trick grown up problem. a succubus signs a magical contract with you, making you her exclusive cum supply.
but it turns out later that she has been secretly going behind your back to give blowjobs to randos in a glory hole
eventually got the tag after a long battle with the NTR lawyers and dev.

probably a few other games with a succubus.

> you cheat on her first so it does not count if she cheats on you back in revenge

seeds of chaos. that one is tagged netorare, after a long uphill battle. where both dev and his simps insisted it does not count because your wife only cheats on you in revenge

> she only kissed you and you didn't fuck yet, therefore she isn't yours yet at the time where you see her fucking chad.

Love sex and second base. dev and simps claimed that it isn't NTR because "she isn't yours yet, you only kissed and not had sex by the time NTR occured". the way to block that NTR, is to manage your stats and timings and follow wiki to make sure you fuck her before a party where she would have cheated on you.

> your MC does not "true love" her so it does not count

1. heavenly peaks cultivation. one of your enemies which you fought off before is a serial rapist. you are forced to watch him rape a virgin girl and peep. the girl then follows you home and becomes your waifu in exchange for you promising to kill him. but she keeps on going back to him so he "does not suspect" and "does not track you down". Even though you already managed to send him running and he previously tried to rape your first/main girl.

2. little man remake. no tag. one of the girls you automatically lock into a pillory, expose to the entire class against her will, and solicit the boys in the class to bukkake her. after several updates of digging in the dev finally decided to make it more optional and allow the option to let her out before the bukkake part. so you are only exposing her to the classroom and playing with her a bit before. which makes it exhibitionism.

> the MC enjoys her cheating and feels no jealously, so it does not count

numerous games, can't recall their names off the top of my head

I agree that it is a bad economic strategy. but turns out most humans are really bad at economics.

I think you missed the thread!

 

[Woodstock_1983]

Not yet, but it's likely that it will be eventually revealed. The game's nowhere near the end, so there's still a lot of story space for it.

Knowing that his elemental is fire, I wouldn't be surprised if his father was a dragon or a phoenix lol.