Ren'Py The Headmaster [Mykock's Manor Ch.3] [Altos and Herdone]

[Uwukz]

In theory yes, in practice... not so much.

Fact is, that fan base is built up off a set of criteria that doesn't always follow into a new project. You'd have a good chunk that were only supporting for 'X' or 'Y' character and find none of the new characters attractive enough or interesting. You have a chunk that were specifically supporting because of a certain kink, like spanking, and if it isn't the focus of the new project, they leave. You have another chunk that don't support new games with little to no content, and will decide to move on until enough content exists to justify support 'in their opinion'. You have another chunk that were just really interested in the setting/story and find that the new project just doesn't do it for them, another chunk that were supporting because they prefer honey select, and if the new project is in another art style they're gone too and on and on.

It is a gamble, which re-emphasizes Hoshimota's point, the safer option is to just milk as long as possible, since that specific fanbase is here for this specific game. I personally don't think Alto Herdone are milking specifically, but they certainly aren't being incentivized to wrap it up anytime soon either. This is why we see endless rewrites/reworks from other devs rather than just moving on to a new project, because moving on risks losing years of built up support. Sure, a few diehard fans would remain, but it would impact monthly revenue in a negative fashion no matter how you slice it, and when your life is dependent on that income, doing anything to jeopardize it is counter intuitive.

That's right, that's why the developers are good at squeezing out as much money as possible without doing anything. That's why we need to keep throwing money at them, and don't care about the game, well, there will be an update once a year for 20-30 minutes and that's fine. If the update doesn't come out - it's no big deal, the developer is just milking the money. You are damn right, idiots with money should be milked to the end. The developers are good for doing this.

And anyway, why do some people think that if someone says a developer is a lazy greedy arsehole, that means the developer should finish the game as soon as possible? Personally, when I talk about the terribly slow pace of development, I mean that it would be good and right if the developer started working normally and honestly, instead of milking money.

 

[AltosandHerdone]

That's right, that's why the developers are good at squeezing out as much money as possible without doing anything. That's why we need to keep throwing money at them, and don't care about the game, well, there will be an update once a year for 20-30 minutes and that's fine. If the update doesn't come out - it's no big deal, the developer is just milking the money. You are damn right, idiots with money should be milked to the end. The developers are good for doing this.

And anyway, why do some people think that if someone says a developer is a lazy greedy arsehole, that means the developer should finish the game as soon as possible? Personally, when I talk about the terribly slow pace of development, I mean that it would be good and right if the developer started working normally and honestly, instead of milking money.

I am so sorry that I am not producing this free porn game fast enough for you and some others on this forum. I’ve only managed to write 600,000 words, create 17,000 images and over 1000 videos. That's barely six lengthy novels worth. A truly pathetic 100,000 words and ~2000 images a year. You’ve rightly called me out as a “lazy greedy arsehole”, doing nothing but “milking” my poor patrons. None of whom are capable of making any kind of informed judgement for themselves. How shameful of me.

Please let me know how I can make it up to you? If I wrote 200,000 words a year, would that be enough? Would you be happy with 300,000? I am sure you wouldn't skim through all that carefully crafted content in “20-30 minutes” and come on here to complain anyway. Or would you simply prefer that I end the game in the next update, "the headmaster fucks all the girls, they all live happily ever after, the end"? I am sure everyone would love that; just as everyone loved the final season of Game of Thrones.

Of course you are absolutely right that I should make less money as well. Money, of course, is a famous de-motivator. The more money a person makes the less hard they work, everyone knows that. If only I was making pennies an hour and having to take other jobs to support myself, that’s when the content would really start flowing. Of course, all porn game developers should be paid next to nothing because that would be the best way to attract and keep talent in the industry. So, thank you so much for sharing your wise and well informed opinion; what a great service you are doing for this game and for the community in general.

 

[MexPayne]

Someone post new development update please

 

[rgrtbrtbrtbr]

I'm just gonna second Altos' post. Mycock Manor only has three updates and they're all fairly small in terms of both writing and renders. The idea that they massively delayed the updates is silly. I'm pretty sure the last Mycocks came before the previous update, so it's not like it delayed the next one anyway.

As for the fundraiser, while Altos did offer a Patreon vote on the format of the fundraiser (IIRC it was like carwash, calendar, something else) I don't think it affected the scope of the update. The fundraiser was always going to be a large advancement of the story and cap off Chapter 2.

So IDK the idea that Patrons are all screwing up the game, or Altos is delaying things by constantly pandering to them is silly. As is the idea that there's massive scope creep just to milk money out of the rubes.

It seems a lot more likely that this is just an involved game, with a larger word count than most people realize, and rendering takes a long time.

 

[Mak5025]

That's right, that's why the developers are good at squeezing out as much money as possible without doing anything. That's why we need to keep throwing money at them, and don't care about the game, well, there will be an update once a year for 20-30 minutes and that's fine. If the update doesn't come out - it's no big deal, the developer is just milking the money. You are damn right, idiots with money should be milked to the end. The developers are good for doing this.

And anyway, why do some people think that if someone says a developer is a lazy greedy arsehole, that means the developer should finish the game as soon as possible? Personally, when I talk about the terribly slow pace of development, I mean that it would be good and right if the developer started working normally and honestly, instead of milking money.

Never read such a load of tripe on this forum - and that's saying a lot.

 

[oceanbobo4]

As far as I'm concerned, this game is only at the very beginning. It's supposedly around the halfway point, but our developer has such an expansive imagination, impressively expansive, that I doubt we're halfway. We're just halfway into what he's come up with so far.

Arabella, for example. Her story has barely begun, and she's one of my favorites.

There's so much more . . . for example, I've seen slight foreshadowings of a dungeon underneath the school. That could be my imagination, but . . .

And what about all those other buildings on the map? Does one host a strip club or bondage club, perhaps not involving "our" girls but others?

Who knows?

The point is . . . sometimes a story goes bankrupt, all the ideas used . . . and then you have Fonzie jump the shark because the ideas are all used, there's nothing left to do.

But we're not near to that, not even close. And my imagination, while good, isn't as expansive as our developer's.

 

[boobies!]

Jumping the shark has to be one of the biggest clusterfobar of tropes. Happened S5E3 of 11 seasons, rated well, and the show continued improving and rating better for years. Show didn't decline till competition improved, focus shifted to Chachi, and time-slots were messed with. At the time, original airing, the episode was better compared (ratings wise) to Friends having a wedding in London (season 4 ending)

 

[c3p0]

Can someone show me where the game thread of "The Headmaster" is? I came to look here, but all I see is "Dev's is that", "Patreon should be that", "Development is so", ... - I'm so confused right now.

 

[shadowtempered]

Can someone show me where the game thread of "The Headmaster" is? I came to look here, but all I see is "Dev's is that", "Patreon should be that", "Development is so", ... - I'm so confused right now.

 

[Tzuri]

I am so sorry that I am not producing this free porn game fast enough for you and some others on this forum. I’ve only managed to write 600,000 words, create 17,000 images and over 1000 videos. That's barely six lengthy novels worth. A truly pathetic 100,000 words and ~2000 images a year. You’ve rightly called me out as a “lazy greedy arsehole”, doing nothing but “milking” my poor patrons. None of whom are capable of making any kind of informed judgement for themselves. How shameful of me.

Please let me know how I can make it up to you? If I wrote 200,000 words a year, would that be enough? Would you be happy with 300,000? I am sure you wouldn't skim through all that carefully crafted content in “20-30 minutes” and come on here to complain anyway. Or would you simply prefer that I end the game in the next update, "the headmaster fucks all the girls, they all live happily ever after, the end"? I am sure everyone would love that; just as everyone loved the final season of Game of Thrones.

Of course you are absolutely right that I should make less money as well. Money, of course, is a famous de-motivator. The more money a person makes the less hard they work, everyone knows that. If only I was making pennies an hour and having to take other jobs to support myself, that’s when the content would really start flowing. Of course, all porn game developers should be paid next to nothing because that would be the best way to attract and keep talent in the industry. So, thank you so much for sharing your wise and well informed opinion; what a great service you are doing for this game and for the community in general.

Ill wait, but one thing i can say is, dont fall into the "sidequest" trap so many other games have done with sidecharacters players dont really care about.
Please focus on the main thing that the players like, the headmaster and the students
Keep up the good work, really enjoy your game.

 

[telgalad]

There's so much more . . . for example, I've seen slight foreshadowings of a dungeon underneath the school. That could be my imagination, but . . .

Wait what? This is the first im hearing of this.... What leads you to this idea? Very curious if true.


Also, posting again, if anyone happens to have a copy of the latest Developer patreon notes!

 

[oceanbobo4]

Wait what? This is the first im hearing of this.... What leads you to this idea? Very curious if true.


Also, posting again, if anyone happens to have a copy of the latest Developer patreon notes!

Something the mad scientist woman said, can't remember what specifically. Then the stuff about the former headmaster's disappearance and something that he discovered.

 

[CuteLilNori]

Also, posting again, if anyone happens to have a copy of the latest Developer patreon notes!

Ugh... If you got some credit, why not paying your own to go see the dev post yourself?
No one can keep being a hero everytime! I'm on the low credit now, so I have to stop my membership for a little while. Else I would be able to get the post for you guys...

 

[reasonablehatter]

lotta entitled little boys in here getting mad

 

[bagmenot]

Please let me know how I can make it up to you? If I wrote 200,000 words a year, would that be enough? Would you be happy with 300,000? I am sure you wouldn't skim through all that carefully crafted content in “20-30 minutes” and come on here to complain anyway. Or would you simply prefer that I end the game in the next update, "the headmaster fucks all the girls, they all live happily ever after, the end"? I am sure everyone would love that; just as everyone loved the final season of Game of Thrones.

First, thank's for your hard work

From my point of view as a linux contributor : release early, release often.

A suggestion would be to release short updates : new minor punishement option, sexy event and sex event with the headmaster.

This way people woudn't care that it takes a year to write the next story part.

There are a lot of game in the wilderness, your game has everything to keep people interested : fun story, early sex scene, gallery, cheat for lazy player.

Maybe it would be best to throw smoler bones from time to time, than waiting too much for a big one...

I am not sure of the investissement in MyCock Manor side game, if it's important, better replace it with a lame poll on patreon and a few sexy or sex scenes in The Headmaster.

 

[AltosandHerdone]

First, thank's for your hard work

From my point of view as a linux contributor : release early, release often.

A suggestion would be to release short updates : new minor punishement option, sexy event and sex event with the headmaster.

This way people woudn't care that it takes a year to write the next story part.

There are a lot of game in the wilderness, your game has everything to keep people interested : fun story, early sex scene, gallery, cheat for lazy player.

Maybe it would be best to throw smoler bones from time to time, than waiting too much for a big one...

I am not sure of the investissement in MyCock Manor side game, if it's important, better replace it with a lame poll on patreon and a few sexy or sex scenes in The Headmaster.

The storylines I write are long and involved. They take a lot of thinking time. It's not possible (for me anyway) to come up with, write and render a meaningful story arc in just a couple of months. Which is what I would have to do to release updates quicker than I do currently. I am usually working on a storyline and rendering bits I'm happy with as I go along. I don't have the luxury of being able to finish my stories before starting to render them. I am still writing important dialogue, even the final weeks of a length update cycle. I would love to get an update out every few months, but that isn't really possible. Not without having had a sigifcant amount of thinking and writing time in advance.
Bigger updates also mean more content overall, as I have less disruption from the release process.
I know the wait is frustrating, but the alternative isn't better I'm afraid.

 

[TonyMurray]

First, thank's for your hard work

From my point of view as a linux contributor : release early, release often.

A suggestion would be to release short updates : new minor punishement option, sexy event and sex event with the headmaster.

This way people woudn't care that it takes a year to write the next story part.

There are a lot of game in the wilderness, your game has everything to keep people interested : fun story, early sex scene, gallery, cheat for lazy player.

Maybe it would be best to throw smoler bones from time to time, than waiting too much for a big one...

I am not sure of the investissement in MyCock Manor side game, if it's important, better replace it with a lame poll on patreon and a few sexy or sex scenes in The Headmaster.

Do you go to your local shop and tell the owner how to run their business as well?

 

[YYYgamesYYY]

Citation needed.

Altos and Herdone have added an employee to help with development. Costs vary globally, but any employee is going to cost multiple thousands of dollars per month at a minimum.

Going to need a citation that proves they have a fulltime employee, and then justify the speed of development while having a fulltime employee. It's doubtful they do more than 10hrs/month.

Why am I not surprised that the person making very bad points also makes very bad assumption? Even when early access is involved, people rarely pay more than the minimum, and early access is basically only useful one month out of the year, maybe two. When it comes to the name in the credits, that's over the life of the project, not how many currently.

If you make assumptions based on this flimsy of logic, I question why anyone would take anything you say seriously in any part of life. This is what anyone familiar with the Dunning Kruger graph would call "top left behavior".

Person was asking where estimates come from, I was just showing how estimates are possible. That's why I presented the assumptions made. If you feel the need to take this that seriously and be yet another moron thinking their smart for citing dunning-kruger, have at it buddy, you're not going to offend a full-on retard.

Why won't you start making a game then? and see how "easy" it is.

I have never said it was 'easy' or even made any complaints about how they develop their game. I have said that they are releasing at a milking pace, and that I don't blame them as it's good business, I only called them out on pretending they aren't milking. I develop quite a few things including games.

It's hilarious how defensive y'all are.

 

[Mak5025]

Going to need a citation that proves they have a fulltime employee, and then justify the speed of development while having a fulltime employee. It's doubtful they do more than 10hrs/month.

Why does he have to disprove your lazy assumptions? Who the f are you that makes you an arbiter of anything?
In case you hadn't noticed, all your "milking" drivel has been debunked and nobody here cares anyway. Off to your sad little life you go...

 

[bagmenot]

Do you go to your local shop and tell the owner how to run their business as well?

What is the point of your useless comment ?

I see a project that I like take a likely counter-productive direction, I say what may helps, the developper is free to do as he pleases.

Sorry, have users frustrated then distrusting/insulting the developper is not productive path...