Wait another few years for a glorious update where Lucy is now a 55 year old corpulent charwoman you can grope while she's picking up your dirty underwear from the floor and complains about your poor hygiene standards. Which you can ignore of course, by turning off your hearing aids.
Ren'Py The Headmaster [Mykock's Manor Ch.3] [Altos and Herdone]
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This is all absolutely correct. Simply counting the number of releases doesn't take into account how big they were, or the quality of the art, animations and writing. Our early updates were less than half the size of our recent ones, both in terms of words and image count. The animation quality isn't even comparable. Plus interweaving new story lines with existing content gets ever more complicated.
The game currently contains over 500,000 words of dialogue (about 5 lengthy novels worth), plus around 14,000 images. Compared to the total content, each new update might appear smaller. However, that's just an inevitable consequence of the game getting bigger over time. The fact is, I am a prolific writer and artist, the amount of content I put out a year has only gone up, and anyone saying otherwise is provably false.
Virulenz
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That might be the case and for reading people the updates are mostly longer than most other games. But its really a pain in the ass to wait a half year...most normal brains forget some details during that time. Personally i would prefer more updates. Okay, this one was focused on a single but big event, so thats okay, but if you "just" add or continue a bunch of quests and events it would be better to release more updates. And i stay true to my main complain, please continue what you started first and then add new stuff. I dont even remember when the nudist beach was added to the rule suggestions, but it remembers me every single ingame week it still is not there and only teases me...also the training for potts, i'm not a fan of her or her content, but i lose discipline every day because of the missing training, that sucks for perfectionists like me -,-
Z - Reborn
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I wouldn't mind a short playable demo of "The Headmistress" in a similar fashion of those festive events not gonna lie.
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I can't magic storylines and renders out of nowhere, six months is about how long it takes to produce this amount of content (and that's with a long crunch period). It might be a pain in the arse to wait but it's a bigger pain to produce it all, let me tell you. If I could go quicker, I would.
I'd also like to point out to you that this entire game has been designed around the Patreon business model. I set up a lot of storylines on purpose and then gave people the choice about what they wanted me to work on in polls. What I did not foresee is that everyone would want everything (plus a whole bunch of other stuff) and then get annoyed with me that I couldn't make it all at once. I am doing my best to work my way through all the different story ideas, but it's going to take a long time and there is no way around that. Not without sacrificing quality, anyway.
You can come on here every six months and complain I should have done more or I should have worked on something else, but it won't change a damn thing. Unless you have a time machine or a way for me to clone myself, then you'll just have to be patient and enjoy what you get.
Madmoiselle Chiffre
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Oh yes , please, please, please Z - Reborn !
Please Z - Reborn, write this fine New Game for us. (Altos and Herdone may not have the time for doing it.)
I'd like to play it as soon as possible.
Tell us please.
Will Reilly Goodhead be the Headmistress?
When is the first date of 0.1 issue ?
And when comes the second update for it?
How many updates you will be possible to release a year?
I'm hoping four.
I am so curious about all this facts.
P.S.: I'm only joking!
Do i?
CuteLilNori
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Well! I'm not gonna lie about this, I also wish the time machine is real when you mention about it
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Cartageno
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The problem with this idea of "continuing what you started" in a sandbox game is that things do not happen in any kind of linear order. And while it helps to do as much, say, Rachel stuff as possible in a row because the dev may suffer the same problems ("what did I intend with this scene when I wrote it ten months ago?"), some of the stuff needs other things to happen around campus. It may be the general development of rules, the necessary advancement of other characters (you need to get Amy ready to help teaching about punishment by being a guinea pig before you can do any more in that direction) and that of course means new threads opening up which will remain unfinished for now. This is very much unlike the more linear VNs in which both the dev writes the game and the player plays the game in the order stuff happens. So when you play a box during development, you will always have a distorted view on both ends - the dev may even write stuff in a different order than the player will play it. And a lot of the new stuff is needed to be able to continue old stuff in a meaningful way.
I don't like it that much either but I think it is unavoidable. What really counts is the experience in the finished game, which of course will not exist for quite a while, until then people will have "their" threads hanging and it might not even be the same ones. You mentioned the nudist beach, my main concern is Zoe.
You earn more than 10k a month (probably a lot more but we all know people hide it when it becomes an absurd number). It's time to start thinking about how you can increase productivity. People are fair in expecting the game's progress to get faster as you start earning more than most small studios. You can choose not to care about this, and just work at your own pace - after all, it's people's choice to support you even if you're already earning far more than enough to work at your current rate. But you're also going to have to accept a lot of these comments you're unhappy with are valid.
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Development has gotten faster, quality has improved and I've been expanding my team as fast as I can. Ask Gegecucu how difficult it is to master the graphics software I use if you don't believe me. I could pay someone with less talent and experience to make the art and do the writing, but is that really what people want? Would the game still be what it is? Be careful what you wish for.
There are always ways to get more people in especially on graphics pipelines. Especially given how many renders are variations of others, from experience those things take a lot of time up in the pipeline, where somebody with a less skilled hand could be used. A lot of renders in general aren't artistic masterpieces (especially framing is usually fairly straight forward as a lot is POV), and while Playhome(If I'm right) isn't easy to use, it's far from unlearnable, having someone else compose some scenes even as a rough draft I can imagine would be useful as it is in the rest of industry.
The thing is, it seems these days people are never happy. 'There should be more content per update', 'There should be an update every month', 'My favourite character doesn't have enough screen time in this update', 'The file size should be smaller', 'The animations should be longer' etc, etc, etc. It won't matter the true details of what you release people will still complain. You could put out an update the size and quality of a mainstream AAA developer every month for a year and people would still complain.
If I could make a single request it would be that you make sure that you keep telling the story you want to tell and not let those who are never ever going to be satisfied derail you from that goal.
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Pulling up the statistic:
Going from the latest values of 6.19$ average per patron he would earn allmost 20k. Depending on were you live it define how many people you can pay (full time). In a expensive country, like the one I live, it may be 4 people salary at best. So we already have AltosandHerdone and Gegecucu would mean that are only two more. Also all other cost (hardware, software, music licence, ...) are not yet in this number.
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Going from the latest values of 6.19$ average per patron he would earn allmost 20k. Depending on were you live it define how many people you can pay (full time). In a expensive country, like the one I live, it may be 4 people salary at best. So we already have AltosandHerdone and Gegecucu would mean that are only two more. Also all other cost (hardware, software, music licence, ...) are not yet in this number.
CuteLilNori
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So I already reached to the end of beta version now where Maxine was making up a plan for something with the other girls at the HM's office. If what I was thinking is correct, then Maxine would surely get in trouble for something she was planning and get her first spanking at the next main release in a few days (hopefully)
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And not just their pay. In some areas it even induce additional tax burdens and other overheads under euphemisms such as National Insurance or FICA for example. Especially as employment laws expand to class so called 'gig' or agency workers/freelancers as employees depending on how they are employed.
Cartageno
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Well, the UK ain't no Norway, but it's close (of course as in most countries also depending on where in the country you live - however the sometimes seen claim "you could move to a cheap area to save on costs" is a bit out of order). And don't forget Patreon share and taxes, possibly premiums on insurance for self employed. I'd suppose the number is closer to 3 than 4. And 3 people ain't three times as fast, there are some things making them faster (like doing only "your" stuff you are good at and like) and some making them considerably slower (like coordinating the work packages, communication about progression and so forth). New hirees of course also first need to learn the ropes, for a while they won't contribute but indeed take resources away from those coaching them. All that assuming that you actually find suitable people for the position (I know of at least one project which stopped because dev couldn't hire a programmer for the tougher stuff, though I don't know whether he was willing to pay a reasonable sum or if it was on him in the end.)
Just pointing at a number and saying "you should be able to do so-and-so with this amount of money" from the outside is oversimplifying how projects work.
krwiopalczasty
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bro stop arguing with people xD you are doing a brilliant job i suspect most people like it and some don't, you get money from people who pay you of their own free will, you don't beg for more money or anything anyone would prefer, update every month without compromising quality but it is it's not feasible and if someone thinks otherwise, they're an idiot so stop arguing with everyone because it's pointless and I can see how much nerves it costs you, focus on your job or rest and not argue with some guy on the internet again because you waste energy on something unproductive better make yourself a drink and think about the next awesome stories you want to put in the game xD