VN Ren'Py The Higher Society Illustrated [v0.23] [xxerikxx]

[ImperialD]

Guess we see things diffrently, if there is no incest in game then tag shouldent be there it would only confuse and upset people whos into that and it would be a lie as well, and somehow i think there are more people who arent into incest that might not even play the game due to the tag being there which is bad for buissness.

Alot of games has sex scenes where the girl call MC daddy but that dosent make it incest or in need or a warning, and this game is already pretty clear that there are no blood between them.

But in any case still good game and good job, i dont really care about the incest i will play it either way, just thought it was weird to put in tags that arent true, anyway ive put my 2 cents in on this topic so ill just get back to enjoying some games

well according to patreon ... step anything would be considered incest

 

[Shawnchapp]

Joker's mod doesn't seem to be highlighting the choices correctly. Is it just me?

theres not alot of choices in this game. mod only highlights choices that matter, most of the choices are just slight text variation so when its not highlighted pick what you want. (changes nothing and does nothing)

 

[xxerikxx]

Guess we see things diffrently, if there is no incest in game then tag shouldent be there it would only confuse and upset people whos into that and it would be a lie as well

There's incest in the game, so I don't know why you're trying to confuse people by saying that it isn't.

and somehow i think there are more people who arent into incest that might not even play the game due to the tag being there which is bad for buissness.

If people don't want to try the game, then that's not a problem. All the people that spaming the gametread with discutions about their definition of incest or NTR are a problem. People don't make visual novels because they think it's good business. They create visual novels because they enjoy making visual novels. If one person enjoy the story then that's good enough for me.

 

[Shawnchapp]

There's incest in the game, so I don't know why you're trying to confuse people by saying that it isn't.

the die hard crowd don't count step as incest some don't even consider half-siblings to be incest...

as to the other point i fully disagree most people (in my experiences) don't care one way or the other if its incest or not. for me it depends on the story if the story is MC lives with roommate and landlady then ya i use the patch cause the story sounds incredible stupid with lines like "i shouldn't have these feels for landlady", "its taboo to fuck you're landlay" etc

Incest isn't one of those genre that make people run away or flock together like the new christ has been born like NTR for example.. its more of a "neutral" genre for most.

 

[xxerikxx]

the die hard crowd don't count step as incest some don't even consider half-siblings to be incest...

as to the other point i fully disagree most people (in my experiences) don't care one way or the other if its incest or not. for me it depends on the story if the story is MC lives with roommate and landlady then ya i use the patch cause the story sounds incredible stupid with lines like "i shouldn't have these feels for landlady", "its taboo to fuck you're landlay" etc

Incest isn't one of those genre that make people run away or flock together like the new christ has been born like NTR for example.. its more of a "neutral" genre for most.

There will be possibilities for threesome with two sisters in this story, so there's no doubt that the incest tag need to stand no matter what the die hard crowd thinks.

I just wish people would stop discussing tags and start discussing the game instead. It seems like we have finally ended the stupid NTR discussion and now people start discussing their definition of incest instead.
Can't you people create another tread were you discuss tag definitions? I don't care what your definition is!

 

[Shawnchapp]

Can't you people create another tread were you discuss tag definitions? I don't care what your definition is!

one already exist Lol and some want like 10 different tags just for incest Lol,

as to the game itself do the animations and scene changes get better over time? (still at the beginning really just 3 days after jenny moves in with us before the trip) cause right now they abruptly change from on scene to the next, one second your in the bedroom click next now your in the kitchen for example with no hint or anything that a jump is about to take place or even a "dissolve" screen between the 2 different scenes

 

[MikesDK]

There will be possibilities for threesome with two sisters in this story, so there's no doubt that the incest tag need to stand no matter what the die hard crowd thinks.

I just wish people would stop discussing tags and start discussing the game instead. It seems like we have finally ended the stupid NTR discussion and now people start discussing their definition of incest instead.
Can't you people create another tread were you discuss tag definitions? I don't care what your definition is!

Not sure if two sisters would warrent the tag since it has nothing to do with the charater you control, but i could be worng, its just not what you would normaly expect from incest tag.

And sorry but i cant help my self since you brought it up.

But NTR tag should be there its alot more needed then incest since female/female is also NTR if MC is with one of the persons, so Sofia and Angelina in the sauna is clearly NTR since shes has a sexual relationship with MC at that point, it might be soft NTR but its NTR none the less, but i guess this topic has been up already by the sound of it.
I havent seen the treads about the NTR so ill just go back and find them.

But fine i wont be talking about any tags from now on, but it is a normal thing on the forum and pretty hot topic for some tags.

But sure i can stop talking about tags, and talk about the game since one thing pretty much killed the story for me.

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[Shawnchapp]

Not sure if two sisters would warrent the tag since it has nothing to do with the charater you control, but i could be worng

it follows site/tags rules.

https://f95zone.to/threads/tags-rules-and-list-updated-2023-02-03.10394/

Incest [Sex act between family relatives, including those not related by blood.]

Mentions nothing about it having the be the MC or not, but the dev is right peoples opinion of the site tags rules should all be dirrected in the proper thread

https://f95zone.to/threads/new-tag-discussion.168425/

 

[xxerikxx]

one already exist Lol and some want like 10 different tags just for incest Lol,

as to the game itself do the animations and scene changes get better over time? (still at the beginning really just 3 days after jenny moves in with us before the trip) cause right now they abruptly change from on scene to the next, one second your in the bedroom click next now your in the kitchen for example with no hint or anything that a jump is about to take place or even a "dissolve" screen between the 2 different scenes

Yes, I think that the animator has become a lot better as the games has progressed. He has also gone back and redone some scenes that he wasn't satisfied with. The change between scenes was something that has become better as well. I've written a text-version of the game and in the beginning I just told him to replace my scene descriptions with pictures. That lead to some abrupt scene changes. I think we're getting better at it.

 

[Shawnchapp]

Yes, I think that the animator has become a lot better as the games has progressed. He has also gone back and redone some scenes that he wasn't satisfied with. The change between scenes was something that has become better as well. I've written a text-version of the game and in the beginning I just told him to replace my scene descriptions with pictures. That lead to some abrupt scene changes. I think we're getting better at it.

Glad to hear it

I hope JokerLeader has included in these changes in his modded script file (not sure if he updates the whole new file or just adds in the content with marking choice changes top the old script file)

 

[ghostrider4570]

I'm seeing more and more of this if it doesn't have this or that tag or if this or that action takes place someone might get offended. Last time I checked this is a porn game site not the Disney channel. In the porn world most anything and everything is fare game and if one is easily offended by the various aspects of the porn world this might not be the best place to find your entertainment source. Devs create their games according to their own vision and not if someone might be offended or anyone else's likes or dislikes.

 

[xxerikxx]

Not sure if two sisters would warrent the tag since it has nothing to do with the charater you control, but i could be worng, its just not what you would normaly expect from incest tag.

I don't care. I just want people who get offended by incest to be warned that there may be scenes in this game that they may find offensive.

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Angelina is very naive and she doesn't take responsibility when she starts to understand that she should have said something earlier. She acts like a child would react in some situation. I agree that I could have written the part about the drugging of Sophia more suggestive and made Angelina's responds more realistic.

 

[MikesDK]

I don't care. I just want people who get offended by incest to be warned that there may be scenes in this game that they may find offensive.


Angelina is very naive and she doesn't take responsibility when she starts to understand that she should have said something earlier. She acts like a child would react in some situation. I agree that I could have written the part about the drugging of Sophia more suggestive and made Angelina's responds more realistic.

Fair enough, but you dont mind upsetting people that are offended by NTR?
Having Angelina in a lesbian relationship is most defently NTR, i thought kissing in sauna was as far as it would go since you said no NTR in game, but shes in a full blown lesbian scene which supprised the hell out of me.
How you dont see that as NTR i cant understand, shes clearly having sex behind MCs back and lieing to him about it on top of it, after she started a sexual relationship with MC.....

 

[xxerikxx]

Fair enough, but you dont mind upsetting people that are offended by NTR?
Having Angelina in a lesbian relationship is most defently NTR, i thought kissing in sauna was as far as it would go since you said no NTR in game, but shes in a full blown lesbian scene which supprised the hell out of me.
How you dont see that as NTR i cant understand, shes clearly having sex behind MCs back and lieing to him about it on top of it, after she started a sexual relationship with MC.....

I don't care. I'm just writing a story.

 

[Shawnchapp]

Fair enough, but you dont mind upsetting people that are offended by NTR?
Having Angelina in a lesbian relationship is most defently NTR, i thought kissing in sauna was as far as it would go since you said no NTR in game, but shes in a full blown lesbian scene which supprised the hell out of me.
How you dont see that as NTR i cant understand, shes clearly having sex behind MCs back and lieing to him about it on top of it, after she started a sexual relationship with MC.....

report thread. and mark missing tag and describe it and if a mod agrees they should update the tags.

right from the postt i shared earlier with you " Please report any thread with incorrect and/or missing tag(s) "

 

[Netjiespinner]

I really hope this game will stay with us i like it and tags does not really matter. Please do not stop posting updates. Ignore the negative people who will always find fault. Do Not read there shit. Ignore delete. Thanks for a super game.

 

[MikesDK]

The issue here is clearly with how tags work on this site.

Having a NTR tag is attracting a certain crowd which will be displeased if the MC turns out to be a dominant person, and because there is no NTR (in the unambiguous, heterosexual, sense) in this game.

Having incest and harem tags also attracts a certain crowd which might be displeased about the step- thing.

But certainly the crowd going for "incest and harem" tags will be turned off by just seeing the "NTR" tag.

In my opinion, the relationship between the MC and his stepdaughter is strong enough to warrant the incest tag on it's own.

Also in my opinion, this game is not about NTR at all. Whether a LI having lesbian sex with another LI is NTR or not is a long discussion. My feeling is that it isn't, unless either LI is actively trying to turn the other away from the MC, which isn't the case here.

In any case having an NTR tag will not help anybody in my opinion.

Those who are surprised about the scene could have taken the hint provided by the "male protagonist" and "lesbian" tags.

I wouldent say incest tag is needed due to MC and daughter since they are not blood related so shes pretty much just a normal girl MC has known for a long time and they can legaly do what they want since its not incest even MC tells hes daughter that.

Your right that the game is not about NTR at all, but its still there and with the main LI, read the rules of the site.

• Netorare [Designed to cause jealousy by having the romantic interest involved with someone other than the MC.]

Angelina being with Sofia is alot more then just a romance they have sex, and its after she started being sexual with MC so it would warrent that tag, both Angelina and Sofia is also hiding it from MC that they had sex and hoping he wont find out.
There is no real diffrense if it had been a guy fucking Angelina for those that arent into lesbian it feels the same.
Had MC agreed to her doing it then it wouldent be NTR but for my playthrough i said no to her experimenting when she asked, got pissed on jenny when they kissed and so on, i picked all choices to try to stop something like that, but story is pretty much kinetic no matter your choices so couldent stop it.

 

[Yngling]

Your right that the game is not about NTR at all, but its still there, read the rules of the site.

• Netorare [Designed to cause jealousy by having the romantic interest involved with someone other than the MC.

The problem is here with the "Designed to cause jealousy" part.

Because, in my opinion, what happens in the game doesn't cause any jealousy whatsover.

IF something would have happened between Gregory and Angelina, without the player being able to stop it, then I would have been pissed as well, but it doesn't happen, even if there are some people in this thread who would have liked to have seen sex between Gregory and Angelina.

I kind of agree with you on this part:

Had MC agreed to her doing it then it wouldent be NTR but for my playthrough i said no to her experimenting when she asked, got pissed on jenny when they kissed and so on, i picked all choices to try to stop something like that, but story is pretty much kinetic no matter your choices so couldent stop it.

But it may well be that these scene with Sophie is what brought Angelina out of her shell, and therefore necessary to drive the entire story.

 

[MikesDK]

The problem is here with the "Designed to cause jealousy" part.

Because, in my opinion, what happens in the game doesn't cause any jealousy whatsover.

IF something would have happened between Gregory and Angelina, without the player being able to stop it, then I would have been pissed as well, but it doesn't happen, even if there are some people in this thread who would have liked to have seen sex between Gregory and Angelina.

I kind of agree with you on this part:



But it may well be that these scene with Sophie is what brought Angelina out of her shell, and therefore necessary to drive the entire story.

People are diffrent and the two going being MCs back and hiding it from MC, i would say its desiged to make a player feel jealousy even more so for those not into lesbian sex, for me personaly its no diffrent then if she fucked a random guy behind MCs back, its a sexual relationship no matter gender.
It dosent help that you hear about Angelina loves being with another girl all the time and talking about her lesbian side, i am pretty sure this is how it will be going forward with Angelina being with multiple girls like Mila and proberly behind MCs back again.

And i would say Angelina was already out of her shell since MC has licked her pussy and shes played with hes dick, the only shell she came out off would be turning her into a lesbian/BI girl which is what happened.

The problem i see is when you have so many choices doing the story about such issues and when you do pick every option to stop it and it still happens, then the choices might as well not be there at all.

 

[ImperialD]

"Shawnchapp, post:
the die hard crowd don't count step as incest some don't even consider half-siblings to be incest...


A.) doesn't really matter what we all think .... and your kinda right .. but patreon would say your wrong ... and game developers don't have a choice in that

as to the other point i fully disagree most people (in my experiences) don't care one way or the other if its incest or not. for me it depends on the story if the story is MC lives with roommate and landlady then ya i use the patch cause the story sounds incredible stupid with lines like "i shouldn't have these feels for landlady", "its taboo to fuck you're landlay" etc

A.) jeez your sounding like someone that is really pissed about something thats happened to you ,, you shouldn't take it out on others ...

Incest isn't one of those genre that make people run away or flock together like the new christ has been born like NTR for example.. its more of a "neutral" genre for most.

A.) i don't think your right here .. i've been on this site for many years .. and NTR people try like hell to get every developer on this site to put NTR in their games .... yes alot like incest .. people who love that want it in every game also ...