...and MC's played up--hard--as a good guy. That's a big part of why, despite her best efforts, Anita's fallen for him. And that's literally his job in the Interim--to help them all out. Not quite in the way they know or want, and not ultimately for their benefit, but nonetheless to help them.
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Yes I also did the stories evenly (with the exception of Mina that I tried to finished the soonest possible because had much less "episodes" that the rest of the LIs) and yes it was really harder emotionally in the end because I finished almost all LI stories in a row, not sure I advise that for everyone.
For me was satisfying because I related with some of those stories and because I already have some emotional maturity that I hadn't 20-30 years ago in my 20s haha by then wouldn't affected me the same way for sure.
I'm pretty much going step-by-step with each of them--everyone up to 7, then to 8, etc. Ones that are more-recently added (Sammy, Allison, Saaya--I haven't met Natalie or Kara yet) are lagging behind a bit, but still working them in the rotation, and I'm trying to catch Sammy up. So obviously Mina went first because we meet her very early, and her story's about the shortest--and she's cute, and likable, and it was kind of sad to see her go, but I wasn't that invested in her. But really, at about 1/3 of the way through their respective stories, I like all the others, and I'm pretty invested in all of them, or at least getting there. I want to get Robin away from her abusive father. I want to help Anita out. I want to help Kaitlin and Anya get over the loss of Kaitlin's father. I admire Tina's drive, and want to keep her from harming herself. Et cetera, et cetera. I'm also suspecting, knowing that I'm only about 1/3 of the way through their respective stories, that MC might be jumping to conclusions a bit as to what's really holding them back.
But even if I know I'm in for a (somewhat) sad ending, I'm still looking forward to the ride. And hopefully the Director's Cut will be able to pick up a save where I can go right to the harem ending.
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I'm still of the opinion a true harem end would kind of diminish the powerful emotional ending the game currently has. I think one of the best parts of the experience is helping these people move on but ultimately having to let go. That short but meaningful time was all there was, but it was meaningful enough to leave an impact on everyones soul. I know I'm probably in the minority on this opinion though. Can't really blame anyone for wanting a happy ending either.
It wouldn't be the first time that "what readers/viewers want" and "what makes narrative sense" aren't the same thing.
I understand what you are saying, and I agree that saying what you believe is a 'forever' good-bye to each of the women would be the hardest part.
Every one of us who plays this before the DC will know that the goodbye is not forever but others, new to TID - post DC, will not... part of the price we pay to enjoy AVNs that still have coming content.
I am also very interested in some combo endings:
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I don't know what kinds of endings we will get between the solo endings and a full harem (how much time got invested in making meaningful combo endings that are not full harem, for ex.) but whatever the Director's Cut gives us - it will be more than we have now.
I replayed the Selene ending last night and it was still a very moving solo ending.
I think I will still feel the emotional impact of the forever endings of the women not chosen in any of my preferred combo endings.
TID is, for me, an excellent AVN. My emotional investment in different characters is a tribute to the quality of the story being told and the characters in it.
Cheers!!
So right at the beginning, Selene knows what's happening:
How? And why doesn't she seem to care? Or is this something that will be explained later in the game?
How? And why doesn't she seem to care? Or is this something that will be explained later in the game?
Yeah, you'll get to know her better as plot continues.
I liked her character growth best of all
It figures; almost immediately after I posted, I get her next story segment, where "why doesn't she care" is answered. Damn, she's a cynical one--"it's as good a way to die as any, and I didn't want to grow old anyway." Still seems odd that she'd immediately connect what she saw to "this is how we all die" though.
I'll say, though, that there's a big part of that story segment that doesn't ring true, and that was how quickly she not only recognized, but also admitted to, her pattern of running away from problems. That just doesn't seem realistic for an emotional, drunk person. Her description of that habit rings true enough, but her 180 from "leave me alone" to "I always do this, it's wrong, and I need to stop it" seemed pretty sudden.
She definitely doesn't start off as a likable character, but she's growing on me--a bit. And not just because she's hot and we had sex, though I guess that doesn't hurt... But that (i.e., being hot and having sex) also doesn't distinguish her from any of the other girls except Kara (yet).
Selene is, IMO, one of the most complex characters in TID.
I really enjoyed her story arc and the way she grows/changes.
No spoilers but there are certainly some twists and turns I did not expect before I reached the grand finale.
Enjoy!
Cheers!!
I could see that. She isn't, at this point (now level 15-16 with most of them), my favorite, and probably not even that high on my "I like" list--Kaitlin, Robin, Anita, Sammy, and others outrank her there. But most of them are, well, not too complex--they're there because they're stuck on some thing, and MC needs to figure out what that thing is and help her (or him, in Bud's case) let it go. So despite all the twists and turns, and as complex as their stories overall are, their connection with this story is relatively simple.
Selene's obviously there for a different reason, even if she has (as far as I've seen) given up on the Archon role. She has her own shit to process, and MC's (presumably) going to help with that as well, but there's clearly more going on with her.
Anita frankly confuses me a bit. She's totally not my type (MC at one point describes her as a "free-spirit hippie"), but I seem to feel the most emotional connection to her--which is why the line I posted above, and her dialogue immediately preceding it, kind of hit in the feels.
Bit of a missed opportunity here, I think:
That is, after all, how MC met Robin--she rushed over to help him after Woden first attacked him. I guess he didn't have to say anything about it then, but it would have fit well. She was a little pushy to take care of him then, and she didn't even know him.
I assume Natalie is the remnant MC saves, though as far as I've seen, she's been too busy flipping me the bird and yelling at me to tell me her name. But leaving her aside (as I just haven't gotten to know her at all yet), I really like all the LIs. I think Selene's at the bottom of the list, but that isn't that I dislike her, just that I don't like her as much as the others. But it's awfully hard to pick a favorite. Selene's probably who I'd consider best-looking (I tend to like a bit slimmer of a build, which is a point--or perhaps two--against many of them). Robin's awfully sweet (as noted above), and while I'm not really fond of the ink, I don't much hold it against her. So's Polly, albeit very differently so. Kara's a handful, and so's Sammy, though it's not clear at this point that either is more than FWB (though I'm pretty sure Sammy will be). The emotional attachment seems to be what does it for me, and many of them are getting very emotionally involved with MC.
But I think I come down to Anita as my overall favorite (as of now--story level 18-17 with most of them). I'm not entirely sure why, though--she isn't the only one to have professed love for MC, though I think she's the only one to whom MC has said it so far. Maybe it's that she feels like a more "adult" relationship than some of the others--Roe, Kaitlin, and Robin, at least, have all said they love MC, but none seem to have had any relationship experience beforehand--Roe certainly hasn't, and at least the three of them are virgins. Anita has a bit more background (though fewer previous partners than I'd have guessed), and is attracted to MC as much for his character as for his appearance or the sex--she recognizes, and appreciates, that he's a genuinely good catch. She's surprisingly OK with MC and Kara; we'll have to see how she gets to the point of being OK with MC and Marisa too.
And I think, for similar reasons, that puts Tina at #2--a little more tsundere than Anita, but otherwise fairly similar. But her body-image issues frustrate me a bit, even if I can understand where they come from. Though I love that she's direct and to the point: "Hey, MC, get naked, we're having a threesome."
That is, after all, how MC met Robin--she rushed over to help him after Woden first attacked him. I guess he didn't have to say anything about it then, but it would have fit well. She was a little pushy to take care of him then, and she didn't even know him.
I assume Natalie is the remnant MC saves, though as far as I've seen, she's been too busy flipping me the bird and yelling at me to tell me her name. But leaving her aside (as I just haven't gotten to know her at all yet), I really like all the LIs. I think Selene's at the bottom of the list, but that isn't that I dislike her, just that I don't like her as much as the others. But it's awfully hard to pick a favorite. Selene's probably who I'd consider best-looking (I tend to like a bit slimmer of a build, which is a point--or perhaps two--against many of them). Robin's awfully sweet (as noted above), and while I'm not really fond of the ink, I don't much hold it against her. So's Polly, albeit very differently so. Kara's a handful, and so's Sammy, though it's not clear at this point that either is more than FWB (though I'm pretty sure Sammy will be). The emotional attachment seems to be what does it for me, and many of them are getting very emotionally involved with MC.
But I think I come down to Anita as my overall favorite (as of now--story level 18-17 with most of them). I'm not entirely sure why, though--she isn't the only one to have professed love for MC, though I think she's the only one to whom MC has said it so far. Maybe it's that she feels like a more "adult" relationship than some of the others--Roe, Kaitlin, and Robin, at least, have all said they love MC, but none seem to have had any relationship experience beforehand--Roe certainly hasn't, and at least the three of them are virgins. Anita has a bit more background (though fewer previous partners than I'd have guessed), and is attracted to MC as much for his character as for his appearance or the sex--she recognizes, and appreciates, that he's a genuinely good catch. She's surprisingly OK with MC and Kara; we'll have to see how she gets to the point of being OK with MC and Marisa too.
And I think, for similar reasons, that puts Tina at #2--a little more tsundere than Anita, but otherwise fairly similar. But her body-image issues frustrate me a bit, even if I can understand where they come from. Though I love that she's direct and to the point: "Hey, MC, get naked, we're having a threesome."
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I do hope the DC is going to include a good scrubbing of the dialogue, because there are some issues there:
OTOH, we're definitely getting some foreshadowing of the ending. MC mentions to Mira that he'd like to go into the next cycle and live his life with the (singular) woman he loves, raising a family with her. And with both Robin/Tina and Anita/Marisa, there's mention that MC will eventually need to choose one of them--and I think all four of them (but definitely at least one in each pair) makes a point of mentioning to MC how much the other one loves him (e.g., Robin tells MC how much Tina loves him). Kind of wholesome, really.
- Lots of instances of poor grammar, resulting in a good bit of re-reading to try to figure out what's actually being said--a good proofreader/copy editor could fix much of this.
- Lots of places where the "end of chapter" check-in on the LIs doesn't match what's happened--Marisa looks forward to a date we've already had, Anya reflects on MC catching her when she fell (which hadn't happened yet), etc.
- Plenty of places where story events do likewise--e.g., after Anita's story 17 (where MC and Marisa visit her at the club, pissing her off), Marisa's story (18?) has MC telling her he's made up with Anita--but that hasn't happened yet (for me, as I was playing through--I think that happens in Anita 18, which I hadn't yet seen).
- In some cases, this happens even within a single story event. Sammy's story 17 has MC taking her on a date, at which she says it's her first date ever. When MC gets back home, he ponders to himself that he doesn't "get the impression Sammy does a lot of dating." No, she doesn't, you knob--she just told you that. Unless you were too distracted by her tits to pay attention to what she was saying...
OTOH, we're definitely getting some foreshadowing of the ending. MC mentions to Mira that he'd like to go into the next cycle and live his life with the (singular) woman he loves, raising a family with her. And with both Robin/Tina and Anita/Marisa, there's mention that MC will eventually need to choose one of them--and I think all four of them (but definitely at least one in each pair) makes a point of mentioning to MC how much the other one loves him (e.g., Robin tells MC how much Tina loves him). Kind of wholesome, really.
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Took me a while to get around to this one.
Mixed feelings. I think at times there is far too much pointless dialogue and many of the girls are very hit and miss, especially their endings if you did not choose them.
I would say my biggest gripe, much like in Now & Then is that the pathing/coding is absolutely terrible. I don't know who ILS has testing for them but they are doing a shit job. So many of the auto scenes with girls away from your influence make absolutely no sense compared to what you have already done. It happens time and time again. Never, ever, in a VN like this from an experienced dev should this be happening. I had two scenes with Sammy 'after I had moved her on' along with a whole host of other broken narrative scenes. It's just sloppy and unnacceptable. It's a testers job to try and break the game....to find shit like this. It ruins what otherwise is an excellent story (if not something that has not been done before better in film).
I see there is more to come, while I care little for a full harem ending (I think would spoil the message as others have said), I was very upset there were no extra throuple endings. These do make a lot of sense given the context of some of the relationships. I'll look forward to seeing what the DLC brings though.
Mixed feelings. I think at times there is far too much pointless dialogue and many of the girls are very hit and miss, especially their endings if you did not choose them.
I would say my biggest gripe, much like in Now & Then is that the pathing/coding is absolutely terrible. I don't know who ILS has testing for them but they are doing a shit job. So many of the auto scenes with girls away from your influence make absolutely no sense compared to what you have already done. It happens time and time again. Never, ever, in a VN like this from an experienced dev should this be happening. I had two scenes with Sammy 'after I had moved her on' along with a whole host of other broken narrative scenes. It's just sloppy and unnacceptable. It's a testers job to try and break the game....to find shit like this. It ruins what otherwise is an excellent story (if not something that has not been done before better in film).
I see there is more to come, while I care little for a full harem ending (I think would spoil the message as others have said), I was very upset there were no extra throuple endings. These do make a lot of sense given the context of some of the relationships. I'll look forward to seeing what the DLC brings though.
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I will say, that I don't know if there were any testers for TID. I sorta did with N&T, but that was because I got the game about a week early to write the walkthrough, but typically no changes were made if anything was found as it took a day or two for the dev to upload the game to the file hosting locations. I couldn't do much for TID, but there are 2 testers for Toxicity (myself and someone else).
I did not have the experience you did - sending a woman on and then getting more content with her.
I did try to manage time spent with the women at about the same rate (versus playing, for example, the entire Robin path without playing any Tina beforehand) so I anticipate that if I had done the second, I could have encountered Robin content with Tina while playing Tina since their paths became intertwined.
I will say that I believe the Director's Cut will have fewer bugs of this type because the dev is not tied to a monthly release schedule so the DC can get a much more in-depth look for bugs.
I also think TID had a much more complicated and intertwined cast, making it difficult to kill all the potential bugs when they hit the late AVN stage and they had to choose - keep to the promised monthly release schedule or break it to do more bug hunting.
On the throuple side, I am actually looking forward to/hoping to get:
Mira/Apollyon
Selene/Natalie
Tina/Robin.
Is your list similar or do you have some other combos I did not include?
Cheers!!
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1000% percent heh. It just seemed so obvious to my mind. I actually hated both of their endings in a way as it broke my heart to not pick the other, though I think Polly's is slightly better as there are signs that Mira is 'lingeriung' somewhat, where as on her end Polly is pretty much not involved at all. Made me a little sad.
I'd say that's the main one, would also have preferred a proper Anita/Marisa ending...that ending is just a one night deal...not really a path is it? (have not done MArisa's solo ending yet so ndon;t know if Anita appears there or not). Serena, not really sure how that would work fully really.
As for bugs etc....While I understand it was complicated, it's the old case of, if going to allow certain ways to play (so concentrate on one or two only till completion), then you you really need to account for that and what people might do in your coding and how forced narrative scenes then play out.
Fair (somewhat, anyway), but that doesn't explain how, within a single story event, MC doesn't remember what a LI told him about her dating life (specifically, that she hasn't had one, and that the date she and MC are currently on is the first one she's ever been on). Nor how MC continues to not remember that early in the next story event with that LI.
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which girl? details, so it can be reported, as Kinderfeld is working on the DC and it can be fixed.