sharkschrek

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Hello, I have kind of finished the game (atlleast I think I have), but there are still 3 people unchecked in the harem. nr 3 in the Leader category, and the nr. 6 and nr. 7 from the Other category.

Are these not implemented yet, or did I just miss something?

This was my second playthrough, so I tried to min max everything with the wiki guides. All my quests are finished besides:

Sovereign:
- Monitor the global political balance
- Prepare for the final battle

(which I assumed were part of the next update or something)
 

manscout

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What type of incest is in this game?
MC has a sexual relationship with his adoptive daughter.

Succubi characters approve of incest in their societies, so you get some mother-daughter incest scenes from there (with the occasional futa transformation).
 

Bob Jared

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What type of incest is in this game?
One mother/daughter threesome with futa spell on mother while daughter is in the middle. Various mentions of how hands-on sexual education from parents has long been an important cultural practice among succubi almost out of necessity but we only get more than just implication that one time as far as I can remember.
 

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I could never relate to why some people are so upset about incest in games or other fictional media.

I 100% understand why it's bad for blood relatives to have children in real life, but honestly even then I don't really see the problem, if the man for example, would get a vasectomy.

It has actually been quite baffling to me that even same sex relationships between blood relatives seems to be problematic for people.

People are entitled to their own morals and believes, and that is perfectly fine, but they shouldn't obstruct other peoples happiness, if it doesn't cause any harm to others (and by harm I don't mean that you feel disgusted or offended by it).

It's not like love is a very rational thing, and you can't really chose who you fall in love with, and as long as it's consenting adults doing it, I think it's nobodies business, if they are brother and sister, or father and daughter, or any other relative.

Maybe it's because I'm not very close to the majority of my family, but in the end blood relatives are just human beings like every other, and there's no valid reason to keep them from dating, besides the possibility of having sick children, which can be remedied with birth control.
 

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Hello, I have kind of finished the game (atlleast I think I have), but there are still 3 people unchecked in the harem. nr 3 in the Leader category, and the nr. 6 and nr. 7 from the Other category.

Are these not implemented yet, or did I just miss something?

This was my second playthrough, so I tried to min max everything with the wiki guides. All my quests are finished besides:

Sovereign:
- Monitor the global political balance
- Prepare for the final battle

(which I assumed were part of the next update or something)
The leader one is
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but the other two are sill up for grabs. I read somewhere one of them is suppoesd to be Lilith, going for the "1000 yearr old loli" archtype, but seeing the reaction to Robin, Sierra might get cold feet. The 3rd one i think is either Mythrin or
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, but in the code there has been a "genderbent shardholder" for years, supposedly as trolling dataminers, but at this point i wouldn't put magicked Anak out of the run.
 

Goi

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She Brought up Lilith as the optional one on Patron a while back and talked about the plans for her as she had many options and wasn't sure what to go with and she gave a few thoughts a listen to what they had to say on it

and yes 1000 Year loli was close to the original plan but there was multiple other option they mentioned in the post
 

Rasorui

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Adding Lilith to the harem after refusing to do so with that one princess (i don't remember her name, its been a while) because even tough she is an adult she still looks like a child feels a bit hypocritical
 

Deathwings

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Adding Lilith to the harem after refusing to do so with that one princess (i don't remember her name, its been a while) because even tough she is an adult she still looks like a child feels a bit hypocritical
I don't see how. The princess was an actual child, not just physically but mentally as well, while Lilith is a shapeshifting eons old demon who only looks like she does for shit and giggle and act the part. There's no damn comparison.
 

Rasorui

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I don't see how. The princess was an actual child, not just physically but mentally as well, while Lilith is a shapeshifting eons old demon who only looks like she does for shit and giggle and act the part. There's no damn comparison.
As far as I remember she said she was of age. So really young, yes but not a child
 
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Deathwings

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As far as I remember she said she was of age. So really young, yes but not a child
Gotta wonder if she's "of age" by our modern standards or by the standards common to medieval settings. Because, honestly, she doesn't behave with the emotional maturity I'd expect from a teenagers, to say nothing of a young adult. The way she's written, she struck me as being in the 12 to 14 age range, top.
 

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Gotta wonder if she's "of age" by our modern standards or by the standards common to medieval settings. Because, honestly, she doesn't behave with the emotional maturity I'd expect from a teenagers, to say nothing of a young adult. The way she's written, she struck me as being in the 12 to 14 age range, top.
yarra said she genrate a bit of sexual energy, so technically she is an sexual active adult. but halfling lifespan is higher of human, so in absolute term she is an adult, but a barely, barely, barely legal for an halfling.
 
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manscout

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Gotta wonder if she's "of age" by our modern standards or by the standards common to medieval settings. Because, honestly, she doesn't behave with the emotional maturity I'd expect from a teenagers, to say nothing of a young adult. The way she's written, she struck me as being in the 12 to 14 age range, top.
I mean you're never going to get a straight answer in that department for obvious reasons.

All the game says about Feremina is that she is nubile, "of age", and Yarra could sense some sexual energy in her, but even she wasn't thrilled about the idea of adding her to Simon's harem yet ("would feel like picking a fruit before it was ripe"). I do think the game is doing the best practice for this kind of scenario by leaving the writing ambiguous. I don't remember if it is something that is actually in the game or information from outside of it, but Nalili actually being 18 years old (almost 30 in "succubus" years) never sat right with me, even with the "spoiled princess" background.

Either way, I see no value in Lilith's appeal being "1000 years old lolita", and not really due to any particular distaste for the trope but mostly because I feel that niche is already kinda fulfilled by the halfling characters? I feel like the appeal of "cute-looking small women that are actually sexually active and naughty" is already done pretty well by Sarai and Wynn, what would be the point of adding another one through a chaos entity as if it was such a kinky premise?

I could maybe see some potential to it if the idea is that Lilith is willingly using her form to try to rile up Simon, but I feel that would just go down like the Trin scenes (overtly try to seduce Simon into a ridiculous scenario, Simon's too gigachad to be aroused by "wrong" things, at most he sort of plays along with it by not shutting the entire thing down).

EDIT: like Fulminato said, if you wanted to follow an absolute "18+" rule, since Feremina is a halfling she could be 18 years old, just that 18 years old for a halfling is not as far ahead from their puberty as it would be for a human.
 

Bob Jared

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Either way, I see no value in Lilith's appeal being "1000 years old lolita", and not really due to any particular distaste for the trope but mostly because I feel that niche is already kinda fulfilled by the halfling characters? I feel like the appeal of "cute-looking small women that are actually sexually active and naughty" is already done pretty well by Sarai and Wynn
For better or worse, the loli body-type (1000 yrs old trope or otherwise) involves more than just height which distinguishes it from shortstacks. (what those halfling characters are)

That said, it would be a bit strange for Sierra to allow a loli into the harem after so long of avoiding sexual content with the comparatively far less controversial anthro furries. I imagine that if Lilith does join the harem she would end up using her shapeshifting abilities to give herself a new form first.
 

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For better or worse, the loli body-type (1000 yrs old trope or otherwise) involves more than just height which distinguishes it from shortstacks. (what those halfling characters are)
Looking at the cg we have so far, I can agree that Sarai is closer to a shortstack build, Wynn on the other hand doesn't seem "stacked" enough and she is literally wearing a gothic lolita costume. Maybe I just don't have enough of a trained eye for that kind of stuff but to me Wynn seems close enough already to the look Lilith would have.

Either way, the "1000 years old" trope was just Sierra's original idea of what she thought she could do with Lilith's character design when she first conceptualized her, could be she thought that before she decided what she was going to do with Wynn and plans can always change if they no longer make sense.
 

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Public one in a week or two more likely next Friday since noting specific was said about long testing period but it was pushed out so could need the two week so the 25th then
 
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FFS, does incest need to be shoehorned everywhere?
Unavoidable at top of that, like all those choices and story variations but you can't avoid fucking your daughter.
I can't believe i got rickrolled like this. I was first cautious about Robin but as Simon was adamant in his stance that she is family and not someone to have sex with, i relaxed. I was even happy that the story is not pushing towards incest and believed the tag is because of the succubi thing that honestly i don't give a f about.

Now that I'm invested in the character I can't tolerate the incest. What is worse the character is in the center of the story so I can't ignore her and just skip all the dialogues with her. RIP game for me.
I agree with this the Robin stuff was just off-putting. I find myself skipping every H-content with her, it's just well.....weird. Normally I just shrug off incest but I really just see don't that dynamic between Robin and Simon.
 
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