VN Ren'Py The Legend Of Cyrus [v0.1] [Monia]

[Herbert1]

Well, I think it's a bit more complicated than that. It's not that likely that Arya would have been the term used to designate the empire, since the main language used in the Achaemenid empire during Cyrus' reign was Elamite. Most probably they would have referred to themselves as members of "The Kingdom", and not specifically as Persians either, unless they were from that particular area of the Empire (around Persis itself).

It's really the same with the German example, where Deutschland is actually a 19th century concept... Before that, you had the Prussian Empire, and earlier the Holy Roman Empire and the Alemanni tribes. German is indeed an exonym, but it does predate most of that.

No, I know that's not what you all are here for, but... it's kinda hard to enjoy the smut when the historical mix up is screaming in your brain.

Elamite wasn't the main language. It was a court and administrative language due to its established history in the region in comparison to the relatively new Persian, which only arrived in Iran a couple centuries earlier and had very little established prestige due to that fact.

They would consider themselves Persian or Median etc. depending on their tribal/ethnic affiliation, with being Iranian(or Aryan) being a common unifying identity for all the tribes. Deutschland is not a 19th century concept either, only the modern country is. The people have always had a shared identity(which is why we have King of the Germans as a title of the Holy Roman Emperor). Prussia also wasn't an Empire, and the Alemanni were only a small tribe among many.

Nope. You got it wrong, friend. There was no such word as Iran during that period. Not in the Aramaic, or any translation thereof. The word, actually words, that applied were Eran and Aryan; depending upon dialect. Check the post by Canto Forte, and you will find a knowledgeable person on the subject with a good suggestion about applying it to the story. Both of the correct words evolved to later become something else. Eran was changed to Iran and became the name of the country in the 1930's. Aryan became the subject of numerous early 20th century writers and evolved into the concept of the master or Aryan race which, in turn, became the a core principle of the Nazi movement.

Always good to get the facts right.

Aramaic was a court and administtative language, not the language of the ruling Iranians. Iran is a a shortening of Iranshahr or Eranshahr or Aryanshahr whatever dialect you wanna use. It means Realm/Empire of the Aryans. Iran and Aryan mean the exact same thing. We know Aryan was considered to be a shared identity, this is quite literally carved in stone with Darius mentioning being an Aryan and of Aryan lineage while at the same time mentioning being Persian. On the tomb of Artaxerxes we also see a clear divide between nations considered Iranic and those who are not.

So we know for a fact that these people considered themselves to have a shared heritage and to all be Iranian. We also know for a fact that the country was officially called Iran by the time of the Parthians. Considering the Iranians called their homeland the Aryan Expanse in the Avesta, and over a millenia later called their new homeland the realm of the Aryans, we can deduce that in all likelihood they also used some variation of that terminology during Achaemenid times as well. After all, we know they considered themselves Iranian or Aryan or Eranian whatever you want to call it, and the vast majority of nations in the world name their countries after their identity.

I really don't understand why people who know nothing about the topic feel the need to weigh in..

Always good to get the facts right.

 

[link18]

Its truly funny to see non-Iranians trying to teach Iranian history to Iranians good luck monia

 

[The_Ripper]

Its truly funny to see non-Iranians trying to teach Iranian history to Iranians good luck monia

But what history is being taught? Alot of history is lost as it does not fit a narrative. Most religious states even make it a crime to not follow the party line. The Roman Catholic church is a prime example of an institution that worked hard at erasing both science and history. Look at the USA and what they are trying to do, basically erase anything that does not conform to the thoughts of current US administration...

Discussing history is admirable and an important way to keep real history alive. Finding accurate sources though might be considered a crap-shoot.

 

[The_Man_With_No_Name]

But what history is being taught? Alot of history is lost as it does not fit a narrative. Most religious states even make it a crime to not follow the party line. The Roman Catholic church is a prime example of an institution that worked hard at erasing both science and history. Look at the USA and what they are trying to do, basically erase anything that does not conform to the thoughts of current US administration...

Discussing history is admirable and an important way to keep real history alive. Finding accurate sources though might be considered a crap-shoot.

Let's not get too far off base here especially with current year, but what is really disputed about this?

"Persia" is the Greco -Roman inspired take on the area name "Parsa" which is a region where the ruling dynasty was from. The people called themselves "Ariya". The Empire itself was named after Cyrus's family name I think.

Edit: Achaemenid for the empire name

I suppose I could have gotten super precise and say that the empire is named for Cyrus's ancestor Achaemenes, or Haxamanis, so that it would be "The kingdom from Achaemenas". Or that the common people would just call it "the kingdom". If you'd like I can find you old persian writings and inscriptians backing this up, but it's a pirate site for lewd games so we might want to not get too pedantic about things. After all, I don't see people saying in Roman themed games that the characters need to be calling it "Roma" etc. Using the current version "Iran" , based on the old ethnic name is good enough. People know what you mean.

 

[I-Love-Adventure]

nice game thank you

 

[cab18+]

So, female proto, i'll pass.

 

[shadow415]

Its truly funny to see non-Iranians trying to teach Iranian history to Iranians good luck monia

Lol people in a country know less about their history than anyone else. Half of what they know is just cultural propaganda. Specially a place like Iran.

 

[vs2011xyz]

What happened to 4 years in tehran?

 

[marvelfreak3000]

What happened to 4 years in tehran?

It was going to be longer than four years, so the dev ditched it for something less than four years.

 

[alpha5]

Cyrus the Great in Medieval Times hahahahaha. Seems promising anyway, good job

This is classical history. Medieval times start with the fall of West Rome 1000 years later.

 

[JenMistress]

Well, just paid for my first Patreon. Not so much for this game, though it was the one that first made aware of this Dev, rather it was the for the 4 Years in Tehran. That game looks quite interesting to me as well and curious about this 0.7 update and no luck finding it elsewhere with any kind of decent speed. But anyways, as far as this game goes, very interesting, that's for sure. I am glad the Universal Mods worked with this, as it was what lead me to checking it out, and in turn the 4 Years in Tehran as well. Thank you so very much for this, and I will be totally looking forward for more on this!!!