VN Ren'Py The Missing Part [Ch.3] [jPk vns]

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MC needs a purpose and has nothing to lose and apparently fucking his dad over is a great purpose to distract yourself from utter depression, same as fucking hot girls :WeSmart::sneaky: so thats logically leading to the good ending.
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You're right about Lisa being the clear leader for Final Babe.

If only she wasn't so, so crazy looking/acting in the last 3rd of chapter 3.

MC needling her into a normal human reaction followed by her going full LisaBot once Charlotte ragged on her was hysterical.
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I mean are you ever in the right place to go on a destruction vendetta against your uber rich dad? :LOL: We could argue that not being in the right place, is kinda a requirement to start something like this in the first place.

MC's Mommy does want to redeem herself to her son apparently and everyone is negging her how she was never there for him, im sure she will be interested to create this whole deal in a way which is favorable for the mc.

I dont think the MC dislikes Charlotte, shes just really good at provocing him and getting reactions out of him. She is very real with him and i think/suspect he will (learn to) value that. She (arguably) saved the MC's life already and even more on the Lisa route, has any reason to want him to succeed as hes possibly becoming the crown-prince to her empire too lol

I still dont get why you think Lisa was talking about Lily? She was talking about a family member, is it ever stated that Lily belongs to Charlottes family or how did you came to that conclusion? (im genuinely curious, i probably missed it).

Im very curious why the mc's wellbeing in this important to lily despite the fact that he went for Ella and did not dated her.



You're right about Lisa being the clear leader for Final Babe.

If only she wasn't so, so crazy looking/acting in the last 3rd of chapter 3.

MC needling her into a normal human reaction followed by her going full LisaBot once Charlotte ragged on her was hysterical.
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Bro, give her some slack, she was out of her game :LOL:

Shes used to playing the boss bitch in these kind of situations and suddenly had the guy shes crushing on like a little schoolgirl sitting opposite to her who apparently knows her mom. I dont think we will see her behave/look this involuntary disarmed/confused/overwhelmed again lol.

She readjusted tho and it was awesome when she came back to make sure she got the right man for the job
 

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I just stumbled on this...looks promising just a few questions if anyone would be kind to answer maybe the dev or anyone really:
1- how many chapters are planned?
2- is the dev constantly updates or takes a long time to do so?
3- is harem planned?
4-is there an android port?
Thx in advance
1. I think it's 8 chapters, but my mind is fuzzy as it's late at night. Edit: the dev said likely around 10 in the thread.
2. There have been two updates this year. The ch3 update has almost 50000 words. The game was first released as the prologue in October last year (based on thread creation date?), and we already have 3 more chapters in less than a year. jPk vns also releases regular devlogs.
3. No. And any kind of shenanigans/cheating will likely trigger bad endings. But, this story tends to explore some of the things that can go wrong.
4. If there's no link for one here, it's unlikely.

Without spoiling anything, this is a pretty complex story. It's really got no right or wrong way to play it - some times the bad decisions have very interesting consequences, so it's worth reading and deciding what kind of person you want the MC to be. Character development and how the characters deal with life is the most important aspect of the novel.

Imo Charlotte, MC's mom (and probably Lily) are flawed characters but ultimately still want whats best for the mc (dunno why thats the case in case of Lily), well and to fuck the mc's dad over for some reasons. They will all be in an alliance (including mc) against mcs daddy.

MC needs a purpose and has nothing to lose and apparently fucking his dad over is a great purpose to distract yourself from utter depression, same as fucking hot girls :WeSmart::sneaky: so thats logically leading to the good ending.

Lisa feels more and more like the most fitting life companion for the MC for me after his soulmate is gone

when does lisa say anything about lily? I must have missed that
Keep in mind John (I'll use the default name) has already fucked his dad over in some way. That's what the conversation with Ben implies, and why John doesn't want to talk about it, as well as what Charlotte is implying about the multimillion dollar investment John's dad made. As to it leading to the 'good' ending? Hmmmm. Not sure jPk equates the good ending with John being happy or successful. There's at least three walls for us to run into when the monogamous girls start their war over John, and as menacing as John got in the office, Charlotte has had many more years in high society to be a danger.

Lisa talks about 'don't talk about that bitch' to Charlotte on the way to the meeting. Worth replaying that part to get the innuendo.


Edit: About the line of Lisa talking about that bitch, the innuendo is that Lily is the one that Charlotte's been spending more time with, once we see Lily at the end. This makes sense as why would Charlotte be talking about such QUESTIONABLE shenanigans in front of some underling? It also links in with John and Lisa talking about how they almost could have been playing in the same neighbourhood. I'm sure I don't need to remind you of the first time we heard of Lily.
 
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Keep in mind John (I'll use the default name) has already fucked his dad over in some way. That's what the conversation with Ben implies, and why John doesn't want to talk about it, as well as what Charlotte is implying about the multimillion dollar investment John's dad made. As to it leading to the 'good' ending? Hmmmm. Not sure jPk equates the good ending with John being happy or successful. There's at least three walls for us to run into when the monogamous girls start their war over John, and as menacing as John got in the office, Charlotte has had many more years in high society to be a danger.

Lisa talks about 'don't talk about that bitch' to Charlotte on the way to the meeting. Worth replaying that part to get the innuendo.
I kinda see what happened in the past (mc and his buddy got 10 million from daddy to shut up about whatever it was) more as a stalemate. If one party starts to move, there are still plays possible is my interpretation (and thats what charlotte want to use). And it doesnt seem like that MC just closed the chapter "dad" with it as his dislike is still apparent.

I think good ending = John not killing himself counts already :LOL:

And of course charlotte is more of a danger but thats why she is such a valuable ally and she seems to think that she wants/needs the MC on her side. I see it less as her preparing a play and forcing him into it and more like her preparing a play and presenting it to him in a way that he wants to go along with it.


Edit: About the line of Lisa talking about that bitch, the innuendo is that Lily is the one that Charlotte's been spending more time with, once we see Lily at the end. This makes sense as why would Charlotte be talking about such QUESTIONABLE shenanigans in front of some underling? It also links in with John and Lisa talking about how they almost could have been playing in the same neighbourhood. I'm sure I don't need to remind you of the first time we heard of Lily.
I thought Charlotte brought Lily along as someone who's apparently unequestionably loyal to the mc (for whatever reason) and therefore a source of reassurance for MC's mom to go along with it. I didnt got the impression that Lily is the one Lisa was talking about at all. And Lily didnt seemed to be this friendly towards charlotte either. Hmmm :unsure:
 
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I should just say, I love, love, love that you can follow along for a huge prologue and two big chapters and the fact the MC doesn't share the same last name as his father is an actual revelation. Everyone close to him knows who his father is and those that are not either do not or have to dig.

I get a bit frustrated with things that are clearly foreshadowed but danced around multiple times (Ella's orphanage, Sarah's patient), but I'll take that when there's clear evidence the writer has the plot nailed down. At this point, I'm not entirely convinced MC isn't playing some of his ignorance up, as some choices we get fill in legit subjects we wouldn't be thinking of questioning at all and MC very well may if he already has assumptions about other things that remain unasked.

Probably wrong on that last bit, but it'd be cool if I'm not.
 

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I kinda see what happened in the past (mc and his buddy got 10 million from daddy to shut up about whatever it was) more as a stalemate. If one party starts to move, there are still plays possible is my interpretation (and thats what charlotte want to use). And it doesnt seem like that MC just closed the chapter "dad" with it as his dislike is still apparent.

I think good ending = John not killing himself counts already :LOL:

And of course charlotte is more of a danger but thats why she is such a valuable ally and she seems to think that she wants/needs the MC on her side. I see it less as her preparing a play and forcing him into it and more like her preparing a play and presenting it to him in a way that he wants to go along with it.




I thought Charlotte brought Lily along as someone who's apparently unequestionably loyal to the mc (for whatever reason) and therefore a source of reassurance for MC's mom to go along with it. I didnt got the impression that Lily is the one Lisa was talking about at all. And Lily didnt seemed to be this friendly towards charlotte either. Hmmm :unsure:
I mostly agree with what you're thinking, because we don't have any solid evidence otherwise yet. Regarding the dad, there has to be some kind of finality about what John did for Charlotte to be so intrigued. Otherwsie, what's to stop the dad from trying to claw his money back through underhanded legal means? If Claire and CHarlotte, presumably on John's side, are fully prepared to wage dirty legal warefare as revenge on JOhn's dad, then how much more would the dad be underhanded? John didn't maybe close the chapter so much as lock the door. We'll see the repurcussions though, I'm pretty sure.

Agreed 100% about what can constitute a good ending, that's totally a win.

I follow your line of thought, but Charlotte still strikes me as someone who'll play a deep game. Her reactions in the both meetings show she's ruthless, even if her development of the charity house show some compassion. Mostly, we've seen her as manipulative in one way or another, so I'm not trusting her just yet.

We know Lisa is an only child, but we know she has a larger extended family. She could easily be another of Carolyn's aunts. Regardless of whether she was brought along to placate Claire (doesn't seem like Lily was really doing it that much as she basically said her agenda is her own), she's being made privy to some serious things. This makes her tied closely to Charlotte in some way, and more than likely I think she's the bitch Lisa refers to, that is Lisa's competition to run Charlotte's company. In any case, such a private meeting with Claire - Charlotte will have a close connection to Lily to prevent her from breaking their confidence and sharing any hint of the meeting to anyone.
 
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I mostly agree with what you're thinking, because we don't have any solid evidence otherwise yet. Regarding the dad, there has to be some kind of finality about what John did for Charlotte to be so intrigued. Otherwsie, what's to stop the dad from trying to claw his money back through underhanded legal means? If Claire and CHarlotte, presumably on John's side, are fully prepared to wage dirty legal warefare as revenge on JOhn's dad, then how much more would the dad be underhanded? John didn't maybe close the chapter so much as lock the door. We'll see the repurcussions though, I'm pretty sure.

Agreed 100% about what can constitute a good ending, that's totally a win.

I follow your line of thought, but Charlotte still strikes me as someone who'll play a deep game. Her reactions in the both meetings show she's ruthless, even if her development of the charity house show some compassion. Mostly, we've seen her as manipulative in one way or another, so I'm not trusting her just yet.

We know Lisa is an only child, but we know she has a larger extended family. She could easily be another of Carolyn's aunts. Regardless of whether she was brought along to placate Claire (doesn't seem like Lily was really doing it that much as she basically said her agenda is her own), she's being made privy to some serious things. This makes her tied closely to Charlotte in some way, and more than likely I think she's the bitch Lisa refers to, that is Lisa's competition to run Charlotte's company. In any case, such a private meeting with Claire - Charlotte will have a close connection to Lily to prevent her from breaking their confidence and sharing any hint of the meeting to anyone.
I dont think the dad cares about the money or that 10m are a huge amount for the dad. The dad is probably very happy how things went as he apparently "won", hes probably the senator or something compareable and very happy with how things turned out.

We dont even know if hes hostile towards the mc, maybe he just the most shitty asshole but still likes his son in some ways, who knows.

And i dont think Charlotte wants (more) money or that the MC really did wanted money in the case. They tried to take him down in the past and and i think Charlotte simply wants to try that again.

Charlotte is ruthless but i would argue its not about being ruthless, it serves a goal, in both cases it was used to give the mc a certain push and dose of reality - something his loyal friends werent able to achieve. She didnt meant what she said, she just intended to rekindle a fire inside the mc or wanted to figure out if its (still) there.

Lisa said its only her and her mom in the close circle, lisa isnt even the real aunt to carolyn as the other girl was just her cousin and not her sister. And the way Charlotte talks about lisa, i never got the impression that there is any "competition" about the family heir position as long as Lisa wants it. Shes just teasing her to keep her "wanting it" lol

Im still not fully convinced that Lisa refered to Lily but you could be right.
 
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I'm afraid of the ghosts that lurk around across the chapters. I don't think they're just reflections of characters' memories or anything. Madelyn felt their touch. I think they're real.
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What do we know for a certainty of a sledgehammer hitting MC out of his death spiral self-flagellatory tour of the city into the sweet cold embrace of a wrecking ball:
The most near and dear daughter and wife of MC are well and happily living it up in the afterlife, where they get front row seats to how MC demolishes himself and the people around him with a vengeance, while getting to steer him back into the land of the living for even more good entertainment where they sit their eternity away watching him stumble through life and this game. Ghosts are real, afterlife is real - it is the only deafening plot armored force swinging a huge statement onto MC: he is being watched and shamed into existing, holdoing his degrading soul in the palm of his hands while looking for a nice hidden spot to crush it and end it all. This ga,me will not let him, the city will not allow it, the proud and ruthless rulers of his world will drown all his sorrows in countless self agrandising philophy of keeping their underlings in play, as they know a barren chess board cannot win them their status back, or keep them in power. MC already tried killing himself and shaming his life with unbearable truths twice, both times ghosts of the city and of his family utterly slapped him around and brought him back into the land of the living.
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I dont think the dad cares about the money or that 10m are a huge amount for the dad. The dad is probably very happy how things went as he apparently "won", hes probably the senator or something compareable and very happy with how things turned out.

We dont even know if hes hostile towards the mc, maybe he just the most shitty asshole but still likes his son in some ways, who knows.

And i dont think Charlotte wants (more) money or that the MC really did wanted money in the case. They tried to take him down in the past and and i think Charlotte simply wants to try that again.

Charlotte is ruthless but i would argue its not about being ruthless, it serves a goal, in both cases it was used to give the mc a certain push and dose of reality - something his loyal friends werent able to achieve. She didnt meant what she said, she just intended to rekindle a fire inside the mc or wanted to figure out if its (still) there.

Lisa said its only her and her mom in the close circle, lisa isnt even the real aunt to carolyn as the other girl was just her cousin and not her sister. And the way Charlotte talks about lisa, i never got the impression that there is any "competition" about the family heir position as long as Lisa wants it. Shes just teasing her to keep her "wanting it" lol

Im still not fully convinced that Lisa refered to Lily but you could be right.
Well, I guess when John states that "he fucked someone over" in the past to the meeting coupled with his unwillingness to talk about his dad and what he and Ben did to him, to me that's not something that the dad then turns around and gives 10 million for. We also know from Charlotte, that the dad disinherited John, and threw him out, before giving the money. So there is bad blood between them. Disinheriting your only child? I doubt Paul kinda likes John at all.

Charlotte's goals are clear, she said it to Claire - she wants to use whatever leverage John has to hurt Paul, to get what she wants. And presumably what she wants, she and Claire already spent a lot of time and money together to try to achieve.

I would argue rutheless is exactly putting a goal above other concerns such as ethics, pity or compassion. Charlotte is ruthless. That doesn't make her evil, but it does mean she'll push people out the way if needed. As far as not meaning what she said, I disagree. She wasn't nurturing his fire, she was seeing if he was capable. If he'd been passive in that business deal, she would've walked, saying that she can't justify trusting such ambivalence or something.

And Charlotte's words when Lisa says she can imagine a future where she doesn't take over the business: "Or could it be that you're choosing the lesser of two evils to avoid if falling into the hands of another person? A certain family member?"

So the circle is the immediate family - there's only Charlotte and Lisa. We know Nicole is a cousin from Lisa's dad's side, but we don't know if Charlotte has any siblings, or how many cousins Lisa has. If Lisa is unwilling to take over Charlotte's business, Charlotte will find someone else she can trust with it. This isn't a family heir thing, it's about who runs the business. That might not be in the inheritance. We really don't know.

But we do know that when Lisa hers that phrase she says "Don't you dare mention that bitch in front of me." Given Lisa's close relationship with Nicole, I'm curious if Lily (who I will still assume is the 'bitch' is from the same side as Nicole or on Charlotte's side of the family. And we know Lily isn't some random, but from a rich background.


As always, the debate is just for throwing ideas around, we'll get hit with the truck of bricks in the next update, followed by the next lorry, then the train. Maybe a plane load? Bricks, like they're raining from the sky, all on John's head...
 

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Well, I guess when John states that "he fucked someone over" in the past to the meeting coupled with his unwillingness to talk about his dad and what he and Ben did to him, to me that's not something that the dad then turns around and gives 10 million for. We also know from Charlotte, that the dad disinherited John, and threw him out, before giving the money. So there is bad blood between them. Disinheriting your only child? I doubt Paul kinda likes John at all.

Charlotte's goals are clear, she said it to Claire - she wants to use whatever leverage John has to hurt Paul, to get what she wants. And presumably what she wants, she and Claire already spent a lot of time and money together to try to achieve.

I would argue rutheless is exactly putting a goal above other concerns such as ethics, pity or compassion. Charlotte is ruthless. That doesn't make her evil, but it does mean she'll push people out the way if needed. As far as not meaning what she said, I disagree. She wasn't nurturing his fire, she was seeing if he was capable. If he'd been passive in that business deal, she would've walked, saying that she can't justify trusting such ambivalence or something.

And Charlotte's words when Lisa says she can imagine a future where she doesn't take over the business: "Or could it be that you're choosing the lesser of two evils to avoid if falling into the hands of another person? A certain family member?"

So the circle is the immediate family - there's only Charlotte and Lisa. We know Nicole is a cousin from Lisa's dad's side, but we don't know if Charlotte has any siblings, or how many cousins Lisa has. If Lisa is unwilling to take over Charlotte's business, Charlotte will find someone else she can trust with it. This isn't a family heir thing, it's about who runs the business. That might not be in the inheritance. We really don't know.

But we do know that when Lisa hers that phrase she says "Don't you dare mention that bitch in front of me." Given Lisa's close relationship with Nicole, I'm curious if Lily (who I will still assume is the 'bitch' is from the same side as Nicole or on Charlotte's side of the family. And we know Lily isn't some random, but from a rich background.


As always, the debate is just for throwing ideas around, we'll get hit with the truck of bricks in the next update, followed by the next lorry, then the train. Maybe a plane load? Bricks, like they're raining from the sky, all on John's head...
I mean of course there is bad blood, somehow the MC got the 10m out of his dad in exchange for his silence (at least thats how i interpreted everything) but it doesnt equate to the dad being unhappy with how everything turned out. Charlotte stated that he did "won" so i doubt the 10m were such a big deal for him or that hes overly concerned with getting them back.

And sure he disinherited john and was probably at least very disapointet when his own son went against him but this doesnt mean that he has any interest in destroying his sons life (or his sons company). It seems like the dad is happy how everything turned out and that he got rid of his family lol.

I dont get the first part about what youre saying about charlotte but it was never about this deal for her, she doesnt care, she would probably have agreed to this deal no matter what but if the mc would have lacked the necessary "fire" she wouldnt have moved forward to the real "deal" she intends for/with the mc (taking down his dad) later on. She explained that to Lisa too afterwards, Lisa stated that seeing him being able to be "aggressive/headstrong" wouldnt help this project and Charlotte replied that it was never about this deal/project but the one after it.

Charlotte just used/setup this whole deal to analyze the mc. Her provocation was necessary to get the answers she needed but the words she said wasnt her true belief and were contradicted by herself later on (and in her first talk with the mc on the bridge too).

I dont get the next part either (sorry), you say you disagree that she didnt meant what she said but she only said it to see "if he was capable" but isnt that the same thing? She was provoking him because she looked for a certain reaction or character trait to be (still) there and got the confirmation. Doesnt this strongly imply that she ONLY said it because of the "test" instead of really implying that his loss wasnt this hard (which her statement to his mom contradicts too later on).

She has empathy but decided to not show it during the office "deal".

About the lisa/charlotte/interhitance thing: Dont you agree with me here too lol? (sorry i always enjoy discussing with you but this time i seem rather confused by your reply haha) As long as Lisa wants it, she will get it, thats kinda the essence isnt it? The way Charlotte talked about Lisa when John "threteaned" Charlotte seems to imply that there is a unconditional loyality/trust/love towards her daughter too. There is no real competition.

Anyway i see lots of bricks flying towards johns pretty face too lmao :LOL:
 
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I mean of course there is bad blood, somehow the MC got the 10m out of his dad in exchange for his silence (at least thats how i interpreted everything) but it doesnt equate to the dad being unhappy with how everything turned out. Charlotte stated that he did "won" so i doubt the 10m were such a big deal for him or that hes overly concerned with getting them back.

And sure he disinherited john and was probably at least very disapointet when his own son went against him but this doesnt mean that he has any interest in destroying his sons life (or his sons company). It seems like the dad is happy how everything turned out and that he got rid of his family lol.

I dont get the first part about what youre saying about charlotte but it was never about this deal for her, she doesnt care, she would probably have agreed to this deal no matter what but if the mc would have lacked the necessary "fire" she wouldnt have moved forward to the real "deal" she intends for/with the mc (taking down his dad) later on. She explained that to Lisa too afterwards, Lisa stated that seeing him being able to be "aggressive/headstrong" wouldnt help this project and Charlotte replied that it was never about this deal/project but the one after it.

Charlotte just used/setup this whole deal to analyze the mc. Her provocation was necessary to get the answers she needed but the words she said wasnt her true belief and were contradicted by herself later on (and in her first talk with the mc on the bridge too).

I dont get the next part either (sorry), you say you disagree that she didnt meant what she said but she only said it to see "if he was capable" but isnt that the same thing? She was provoking him because she looked for a certain reaction or character trait to be (still) there and got the confirmation. Doesnt this strongly imply that she ONLY said it because of the "test" instead of really implying that his loss wasnt this hard (which her statement to his mom contradicts too later on).

She has empathy but decided to not show it during the office "deal".

About the lisa/charlotte/interhitance thing: Dont you agree with me here too lol? (sorry i always enjoy discussing with you but this time i seem rather confused by your reply haha) As long as Lisa wants it, she will get it, thats kinda the essence isnt it? The way Charlotte talked about Lisa when John "threteaned" Charlotte seems to imply that there is a unconditional loyality/trust/love towards her daughter too. There is no real competition.

Anyway i see lots of bricks flying towards johns pretty face too lmao :LOL:
I totally enjoy discussing the these things, helps give a broader picture of what happened, and what might happen. jPk has his own plans, but sometime people pick up cool angles that weren't intended, and he threads them in. I remember someone discussing that John's habit of being casual when chosing clothes was a reflection of Ell'a lack of pretentiousness. I liked that reading of his character a lot.

About the dad - we don't know what role the dad has, what he's done other than being a bad parent. He's obviously done something that's severely affected his ex wife and Charlotte. Consider that Claire was also a bad mom. Why isn't she still with John's dad? What caused the family rift? I don't think it was just Ella at this point, I can't imagine Claire leaving her husband over John's marriage, and that had nothing to do with Charlotte in any case. So that's a mystery yet to be uncovered. The way he's described as never giving anyone an advantage, and never letting a cent out of his grasp without profiting suggests he probably DOES mind the 10 million. But we'll see.

About Charlotte - if someone gets cold feet over a multi-million dollar deal, they'll walk in real life. Why would she through away the money just to hide the real deal? If John failed there, well the story would be shorter I guess. So I don't think Charlotte's goal with the meeting was to rubber stamp anything, or just see what she could trigger John about. I think if she got the wrong answer, the deal would be off. Just like John and Ben could've been offended about her tactics to the point of saying the deal is unmanageable.

I would say that she believed John would pass her 'test', but it was still a test and she did mean it. I don't see her words as contradicting anything she said on the bridge. She wants John to be a go getter, rather than flat on the pavement. Different circumstances and paradigms, different methods, carrot and stick, even if on the bridge she was still slightly aggressive with her kindness.

Having empathy and being ruthless are not mutually exclusive in a way. She prioritised her own goals at the meeting, which is natural, but she used personal, private insight as leverage at a business meeting. She is ruthless. She uses what advances her goals. Most people are kind when they can afford to be, not everyone is kind when it costs them their goals. Charlotte is clearly doing good through the charity, and her intentions seem pretty good. That doesn't excuse her methods, even if she gets the results. We can achieve our goals through wrong means: that's the problem of ethics and there's a lot of grey in this story.

About Lisa, sure she's Charlotte's preference to run the business, but she'll allow Lisa to do something else with her life if it means that much to her. She is better than Paul in that regard - she'll let Lisa do something for herself rather than for the family prestige. But, the business can't just close up shop because Lisa wants to do something different. So what would Chalotte do, other than have a second option? And regarding business and the way she also needles Lisa at times, she probably thinks the competition is healthy, and will keep Lisa engaged with the business. Carrot and stick vibes again.

I do believe Charlotte is the kind of person to follow through: if she doesn't see a good outcome, she'll make one.
 
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