VN Ren'Py The Nature of Magic [Ch.2 Part 1] [Slate Interactive]

[BTungsteno]

You know what OP power i fantasized the MC would obtain using the weave?

The ability to block the use of spells in a small area, kind of blocking/locking the threads that provide the mana that Mages/witch/wizard use, forcing others afinity users to use only their physical strength(non-enchanted) to fight.

 

[Toukebri]

For fuck’s sake, I was talking about him being wrong for calling her promiscuous.

The line was: “I’ve had my fun before we met.” I don't know specifically what it means. But it happened before they met.

They met seven years ago. She’s a virgin, completely in love with the main character, and has been waiting for him all this time, no relationships, no casual flings, nothing. So how the hell is that promiscuous?

But sure, continue shitting the thread even more if you want.

So is there a definite answer to this discussion, or at least to the root cause of it? The line does imply she got passed around a lot without penetration or maybe she did stuff with toys but I have doubts about this possibility as you can't possibly call that fun, that's just masturbation. I can't really recall if there was previous dialog with definitive proof that she's a virgin of all manners and never had contact with other men before or after meeting the MC along with his sudden disappearance. I'd be happy to be corrected here.

 

[Netao_Da_Caxixola]

You know what OP power i fantasized the MC would obtain using the weave?

The ability to block the use of spells in a small area, kind of blocking/locking the threads that provide the mana that Mages/witch/wizard use, forcing others afinity users to use only their physical strength(non-enchanted) to fight.

Fr bro, this is a really good idea

 

[BTungsteno]

Fr bro, this is a really good idea

Since He's using a "one with the world" kind of magic, and the rest of the families have an speciality, instead of making him only an jack of all trades, i imagine He could be the one that manipulates the world himself,

Like cutting the strings of a puppet, not matter the skill of the puppet-master, if you deal with the strings, their puppets cant hurt you.

 

[Netao_Da_Caxixola]

Since He's using a "one with the world" kind of magic, and the rest of the families have an speciality, instead of making him only an jack of all trades, i imagine He could be the one that manipulates the world himself,

Like cutting the strings of a puppet, not matter the skill of the puppet-master, if you deal with the strings, their puppets cant hurt you.

your comment really got me hyped up, this is a well-thought way of using the weave

 

[Ka1tzer]

So is there a definite answer to this discussion, or at least to the root cause of it? The line does imply she got passed around a lot without penetration or maybe she did stuff with toys but I have doubts about this possibility as you can't possibly call that fun, that's just masturbation. I can't really recall if there was previous dialog with definitive proof that she's a virgin of all manners and never had contact with other men before or after meeting the MC along with his sudden disappearance. I'd be happy to be corrected here.

No. As things stand right now, the only thing that is 100% confirmed is that she still had her hymen when having sex with the MC the first time. She also said that "she waited" for her special person.

Then again, in the same interaction, she also said that notorious "I've had my fun" line, and in her previous scenes the text (narrative and dialog) allude to and mention how she's extremely skilled in what she's doing. That's it.

So as things stand right now we have: vaginal virgin + extremely skilled in oral sex + "i waited" line + "I've had my fun" line

At face value it doesn't seem very coherent, does it? The equation doesn't add up all that well, like it's missing some critical variables (which would be the info to fill in the gap between these seemingly contradicting elements).

No hard evidence of anything, one way or the other - just some signs that point towards a specific picture and ring out alarms on some ppl, the folk that pay greater attention to such things.

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All that said, I'll reiterate that the game is amazing. If you're someone who were combing through the thread before deciding to give the game a try, I'd say it's very much worth it - especially if you're a more story-focused player.

 

[montie3747]

No. As things stand right now, the only thing that is 100% confirmed is that she still had her hymen when having sex with the MC the first time. She also said that "she waited" for her special person.

Then again, in the same interaction, she also said that notorious "I've had my fun" line, and in her previous scenes the text (narrative and dialog) allude to and mention how she's extremely skilled in what she's doing. That's it.

So as things stand right now we have: vaginal virgin + extremely skilled in oral sex + "i waited" line + "I've had my fun" line

At face value it doesn't seem very coherent, does it? The equation doesn't add up all that well, like it's missing some critical variables (which would be the info to fill in the gap between these seemingly contradicting elements).

No hard evidence of anything, one way or the other - just some signs that point towards a specific picture and ring out alarms on some ppl, the folk that pay greater attention to such things.

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All that said, I'll reiterate that the game is amazing. If you're someone who were combing through the thread before deciding to give the game a try, I'd say it's very much worth it - especially if you're a more story-focused player.

i concur, the potential is high for this one. Despite concerns as i have with any new game/project i see. This one is worth giving a try and follow.

 

[Toukebri]

No. As things stand right now, the only thing that is 100% confirmed is that she still had her hymen when having sex with the MC the first time. She also said that "she waited" for her special person.

Then again, in the same interaction, she also said that notorious "I've had my fun" line, and in her previous scenes the text (narrative and dialog) allude to and mention how she's extremely skilled in what she's doing. That's it.

So as things stand right now we have: vaginal virgin + extremely skilled in oral sex + "i waited" line + "I've had my fun" line

At face value it doesn't seem very coherent, does it? The equation doesn't add up all that well, like it's missing some critical variables (which would be the info to fill in the gap between these seemingly contradicting elements).

No hard evidence of anything, one way or the other - just some signs that point towards a specific picture and ring out alarms on some ppl, the folk that pay greater attention to such things.

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All that said, I'll reiterate that the game is amazing. If you're someone who were combing through the thread before deciding to give the game a try, I'd say it's very much worth it - especially if you're a more story-focused player.

I already finished playing through the game earlier but that line had me confused for a while and thought to check the thread for an answer. This game is quite objectively incredible despite it not being that far off into development I think. What I really like the most is the characters and their dynamics with the MC and that's why I wanted to make sure I got every aspect of them understood and in the case of Cer, that wasn't very clear. Playing with toys simply doesn't make that much sense and so my headcanon would probably accept that she was a bit of a slutty minx in the years after coming of age and before meeting MC and that's probably a long ass period of time if I'm not incorrect in my calculations. It's a bit sad to say the least, if she was supposed to play the role of the hopelessly lovestruck virgin, at least make it as though she never was intimate with anyone. Like imagine having oral sex with someone multiple times but they can't let you penetrate them vaginally on the pretext that you're not the fated one for them. This would have been the perspective of any sexual partner of Cer before MC. And when I think about it like this, It also doesn't make sense just like the toy theory. It's probably best if the dev/writer elaborates further on this, otherwise we should probably ignore it.

 

[Noxedia]

Damn, that last line gave me goosebumps. Real “You’re a wizard, Harry” but with a side of political murder and magical depression. Love it.

 

[JDE07]

I dont know how often the dev checks in here, but if you do happen to notice this I think you have an image missing at the end of chapter one "ch1_itinorllookfrwn", I think it hasn't been noticed bacause nobody in their right mind would do a playthrough to get this image. And no this is not my main playthrough just a look at what happens if scenario.

 

[prpa]

after coming of age and before meeting MC and that's probably a long ass period of time if I'm not incorrect in my calculations.

2 years, coming of age in this world is 20, she met the MC when she was 22.

 

[Alandir]

So is there a definite answer to this discussion, or at least to the root cause of it? The line does imply she got passed around a lot without penetration or maybe she did stuff with toys but I have doubts about this possibility as you can't possibly call that fun, that's just masturbation. I can't really recall if there was previous dialog with definitive proof that she's a virgin of all manners and never had contact with other men before or after meeting the MC along with his sudden disappearance. I'd be happy to be corrected here.

No. As things stand right now, the only thing that is 100% confirmed is that she still had her hymen when having sex with the MC the first time. She also said that "she waited" for her special person.

Then again, in the same interaction, she also said that notorious "I've had my fun" line, and in her previous scenes the text (narrative and dialog) allude to and mention how she's extremely skilled in what she's doing. That's it.

So as things stand right now we have: vaginal virgin + extremely skilled in oral sex + "i waited" line + "I've had my fun" line

At face value it doesn't seem very coherent, does it? The equation doesn't add up all that well, like it's missing some critical variables (which would be the info to fill in the gap between these seemingly contradicting elements).

No hard evidence of anything, one way or the other - just some signs that point towards a specific picture and ring out alarms on some ppl, the folk that pay greater attention to such things.

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All that said, I'll reiterate that the game is amazing. If you're someone who were combing through the thread before deciding to give the game a try, I'd say it's very much worth it - especially if you're a more story-focused player.

Why do you guys care so much. She's not a real person, you can just headcanon that line to mean anything and move on. It's just a one of line. I am almost certain it's not gonna come up again and if it does it'll only be because guys like you two won't stop complaining about it.
She's almost certainly not been passed around. Why would you think that just off of the line "I've had my fun". Especially since she's a confirmed virgin. If you read that line and your mind immediatly jumps to some crazy orgy sex marathons, then I am pretty sure that's just your personal fetish.
She's good at oral sex, because that's what porn game LIs are. Water is wet, the sky is blue and virgins in porn game can cram an entire baguette down their throat on a first try.
I don't think the whole thing is actually complicated, it just seems like it is, because you seem to want to see some kind of deviousness behind it. She hasn't shown any outward interest in other guys, she has shown an outward interest in some girls, we know she's a virgin and we know mc is the only one she's been seriously romantically interested in for a very long time. Most likely it just means she made out with some people in college. I wouldn't be surprised even if it's only other girls. Most likely Bael is one of them. If you so desperately want an explanation for the blowjob skills, you can just imagine that she watched a lot of porn and practiced on dildos. She's clearly a very horny person, she would be the kind of girl to get herself a sex toy. It makes sense. Just move on.

 

[MagicMan753]

This was a nice find. Girls are all amazing, especially Cerys, but I do love Aine quite a lot too.

Just very excited to see more, this is a gem of a VN.

 

[Ka1tzer]

Why do you guys care so much. She's not a real person, you can just headcanon that line to mean anything and move on. It's just a one of line. I am almost certain it's not gonna come up again and if it does it'll only be because guys like you two won't stop complaining about it.
She's almost certainly not been passed around. Why would you think that just off of the line "I've had my fun". Especially since she's a confirmed virgin. If you read that line and your mind immediatly jumps to some crazy orgy sex marathons, then I am pretty sure that's just your personal fetish.
She's good at oral sex, because that's what porn game LIs are. Water is wet, the sky is blue and virgins in porn game can cram an entire baguette down their throat on a first try.
I don't think the whole thing is actually complicated, it just seems like it is, because you seem to want to see some kind of deviousness behind it. She hasn't shown any outward interest in other guys, she has shown an outward interest in some girls, we know she's a virgin and we know mc is the only one she's been seriously romantically interested in for a very long time. Most likely it just means she made out with some people in college. I wouldn't be surprised even if it's only other girls. Most likely Bael is one of them. If you so desperately want an explanation for the blowjob skills, you can just imagine that she watched a lot of porn and practiced on dildos. She's clearly a very horny person, she would be the kind of girl to get herself a sex toy. It makes sense. Just move on.

"Why do you care so much" arguments can be used both ways. What's the point of arguing in opposition if it's all fiction, no one cares, yadda yadda?

For me, I say I care about story and character coherence, especially when the story and text is good. It's a created dissonance that affects the reading experience for me. I care about internal logic and consistency.

I ask you back - why do you and the other guy care so much to make a counterpoint - one that doubles down on the vagueness currently present? ("You can IMAGINE <insert whatever here>", "it's porn logic man", etc).

Have you ever read The Name of the Wind? I distinctly remember my impression of the LI in the novel doing a very abrupt 180 the more her past got revealed, and it felt awful. And mind you - Patrick Rothfuss is an excellent writer. Your mileage may vary and your experience with reading stories might be completely different, that's all you.

But fucking stop trying to invalidate other's experience. No one needs that. If you like things the way they are, good for you, really. I wish I did too, but I don't.

And honestly, it's not like asking for clarification is asking for much.

 

[Alandir]

"Why do you care so much" arguments can be used both ways. What's the point of arguing in opposition if it's all fiction, no one cares, yadda yadda?

For me, I say I care about story and character coherence, especially when the story and text is good. It's a created dissonance that affects the reading experience for me. I care about internal logic and consistency.

I ask you back - why do you and the other guy care so much to make a counterpoint - one that doubles down on the vagueness currently present? ("You can IMAGINE <insert whatever here>", "it's porn logic man", etc).

Have you ever read The Name of the Wind? I distinctly remember my impression of the LI in the novel doing a very abrupt 180 the more her past got revealed, and it felt awful. Your mileage may vary and your experience with reading stories might be completely different, that's all you. And mind you - Patrick Rothfuss is an excellent writer.

But fucking stop trying to invalidate other's experience. No one needs that. If you like thing the way they are, good for you, really. I wish I did too, but I don't.

And honestly, it's not like asking for clarification is asking for much.

I have seen you specifically talking back and forth about this one specific line on here for over a week now. That's why I ask why you care so much.

 

[Ka1tzer]

I have seen you specifically talking back and forth about this one specific line on here for over a week now. That's why I ask why you care so much.

There was the discussion earlier, there was a reply to a rant-post with a similar vibe to your previous post and then there was me answering another user's question a couple posts above (where i tried to be objective about what we know and what we don't, without making conjectures). I believe that's it.

As for the "why" of it, I mentioned it in the previous post

 

[prpa]

There was the discussion earlier, there was a reply to a rant-post with a similar vibe to your previous post and then there was me answering another user's question a couple posts above (where i tried to be objective about what we know and what we don't, without making conjectures). I believe that's it.

As for the "why" of it, I mentioned it in the previous post

Here is the new version. Hope you are satisfied, and we can finally put this pointless discussion behind us.

 

[Ka1tzer]

Here is the new version. Hope you are satisfied, and we can finally put this pointless discussion behind us.

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Wasn't aware that an update had been launched, cool. It'll take a while until I can get to it and play it properly like it deserves, especially if there had been changes/additions to text, dialog and etc.

And look, trust me, I want to put this whole matter to rest as well. That one dialog change doesn't really address the crux of the matter I've been mentioning though. To copy paste from a previous post:

How exactly did Cerys get so good and so skillful in oral sex, as evidenced in her first two scenes, despite being a virgin?

If that gets a proper answer without vagueness, innuendo or the need for "use your imagination", then yes, we're good and case closed. And hopefully something similar (by which I mean "character perception dissonance") doesn't occur again.

It'll be a while until I can properly check it out though.

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Even if it doesn't get answered, I won't be hammering on the subject here anymore, as that'd be pointless. What needed to be said has already been said. So regarding this issue, at most, I'll answer new questions if and/or when they appear regarding the current state of the gameabout this subject.

But as far as I'm concerned, anyone that actually wants to see the discussion and everything can use the search function and check it out through there.

One way or the other, let's all look forward to new updates and developments, eh?

 

[prpa]

That one dialog change doesn't really address the crux of the matter I've been mentioning though. To copy paste from a previous post:

How exactly did Cerys get so good and so skillful in oral sex, as evidenced in her first two scenes, despite being a virgin?

If that gets a proper answer without vagueness, innuendo or the need for "use your imagination", then yes, we're good and case closed. And hopefully something similar (by which I mean "character perception dissonance") doesn't occur again.

 

[Ka1tzer]

Eh, I tried extending an olive branch and get smug, condescending childish mockery in return. I wish I was surprised, but I'm not. Guy clearly thinks he's an enlightened being on top of a pedestal looking down on who he disagrees with, argument validity be damned.

Ok.

Welp, carry on then. Wasting more words and time on this serves no purpose.