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VN Ren'Py The Neverwhere Tales [v0.5.0.4p] [Ceolag]

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Ciaran8023

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You left someone very important of your LI's review. You do NOT want to piss her off.
I'll be honest, she didn't even come off as a potential LI to me, and I don't think I want to get involved with fantasy turbo racists. Call me weird but I sort of draw the line at supposed LI's that have no qualms committing racially-fueled genocides if they wanted to.
 

Dessolos

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I'll be honest, she didn't even come off as a potential LI to me, and I don't think I want to get involved with fantasy turbo racists. Call me weird but I sort of draw the line at supposed LI's that have no qualms committing racially-fueled genocides if they wanted to.
I think she will come across as a LI more in the next update. If I recall correctly next update mostly gonna be about her and lore of the elves. From what I recall her sister / the Queen is much worst but yeah you dont like what you don't probably won't make things better if you already don't like her. I'm waiting to see for me it's way to early to judge / have an opinion on her personally.
 

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I'll be honest, she didn't even come off as a potential LI to me, and I don't think I want to get involved with fantasy turbo racists. Call me weird but I sort of draw the line at supposed LI's that have no qualms committing racially-fueled genocides if they wanted to.
She is one of the confirmed LIs. :)
 

Dessolos

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She is one of the confirmed LIs. :)
she makes me question being Faithful to Kaija Medb best looking model for sure. I might have make a Kaija save and cheat on her with Medb just to see if anything happens in the future. The hair is best part about her I wouldn't change a thing at least in that render
 

Ciaran8023

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She is one of the confirmed LIs. :)
Interesting, I had no idea. She definitely didn't come off as anything close to an LI at first impression.

I think she will come across as a LI more in the next update. If I recall correctly next update mostly gonna be about her and lore of the elves. From what I recall her sister / the Queen is much worst but yeah you dont like what you don't probably won't make things better if you already don't like her. I'm waiting to see for me it's way to early to judge / have an opinion on her personally.
Yeah, I don't think my view on her will change at all, but I'm interested to see the character writing atleast as it's something that sets this VN apart from many others, the character writing is generally very good.
 

MiltonPowers

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she makes me question being Faithful to Kaija Medb best looking model for sure. I might have make a Kaija save and cheat on her with Medb just to see if anything happens in the future. The hair is best part about her I wouldn't change a thing at least in that render
If you were caught cheating on Kaija with MedB or vice versa and they both found out. There would be nothing left of your remains to identify whether you ever existed at all in the first place. :ROFLMAO:
 
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Dessolos

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If you were caught cheating on Kaija with MedB or vice versa and they both found it. There would be nothing left of your remains to identify whether you ever existed at all in the first place. :ROFLMAO:
which is part of the fun potentially getting my dick frozen off or my throat slit in my sleep :) plus has the added benefit of those Kaja hates of making her cry
 
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xapican

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Helena, Anissa, and Templar Milf, Nightingale, and the Bar girl seem to be side LI`s
The Confimred ones are Kaija, Fiona, Elea and Medb so it seems.
for me it is still to early to get into details, I expect some plot twists later down the line.
One thing is clear nothing is what it seems to be in Neverwhere.
 
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Grumpy Old Aussie

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I'll be honest, she didn't even come off as a potential LI to me, and I don't think I want to get involved with fantasy turbo racists. Call me weird but I sort of draw the line at supposed LI's that have no qualms committing racially-fueled genocides if they wanted to.
In the dialogue with the Queen, the Queen says Medb has a softspot for humans. So it is unlikely she is racist towards humans. The elves we have met so far have severe issues with the Templars. I don't recall the elves hating all humans, but its been a while since I played so I don't remember everything.
 
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Dessolos

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In the dialogue with the Queen, the Queen says Medb has a softspot for humans. So it is unlikely she is racist towards humans. The elves we have met so far have severe issues with the Templars. I don't recall the elves hating all humans, but its been a while since I played so I don't remember everything.
that's what I thought too but didn't want to say anything as I cant recall very much so im glad my initial thoughts were the same.
 

nitkonikic

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I'll give it a look through later, I don't think it will sway my opinion at all since I just have a core principle to not entertain people who are dishonest or betray others, and she kind of managed to hit both.
But, I'm always interested to check out the writing behind it as it's been solid thus far.
Kaija will get no redemption in any of my saves, but I highly recommend at least going for "true friend" route, so to speak.
Technically it's love route, just don't kiss her or tell her you love her, otherwise be friendly.
There is quite a lot of different dialogue to be seen and even some scenes play out differently.
Avoiding spoilers, but there is ingame event where she can outright reject what MC wants to do, or do it, despite knowing she shouldn't, giving small extra scene, which is very nice.

Otherwise, hate her guts and wish MC would break all ties with her once trouble is gone.
 

DevinHesi

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Hey everyone,

before you get excited: No release date (yet, but soon. Need to check the calendar first ;-) ).

This post is about how the upcoming releases will be handled.
With Chapter 5 being the first Chapter released on Steam, I basically have to paywall the game from now on.
That means no more free versions on Discord or anywhere else except the demo version (up to CH3) if I decide to put it up again.

In the future, there will be two ways to get the game (from me at least...):
Steam and Patreon ( is a special case. I stopped selling there but I'll try to provide the updates to those who bought the game there).

The release schedule in general will be:
Patreon Chaplain tier (and above) will get the new version as soon as it's out of Beta.
After that, I'll work on the Steam-specific stuff (code adjustments, images for achievements etc) and will release the new version ~2-3 weeks after the Chaplain tier (depends a bit on the workload).
Mercenary tier will get the new version the same day as it is released on Steam.



Additionally, all Patrons who have a lifetime pledge of at least 13$ can get a Steam key for free.
That's true for all tiers, and yes that means if you stay 13 months at the Grunt tier you can still get a key.
You have to contact me for that, I won't just send out keys to everyone because I have to request them from Valve and I want to make sure (at least as best as possible) the keys get used.

Chapter 5 will be a special case because the Steam release will be in September and I won't make the Mercenary tier wait until September.
Chaplain tier and above will get Chapter 5 around the end of July and Mercenary tier will follow ~2 weeks later. The exact dates are to be announced :)


I hope I didn't forget anything important. If you have any questions, feel free to ask them. :)
Cheers,
Ceolag
 

Ciaran8023

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In the dialogue with the Queen, the Queen says Medb has a softspot for humans. So it is unlikely she is racist towards humans. The elves we have met so far have severe issues with the Templars. I don't recall the elves hating all humans, but its been a while since I played so I don't remember everything.
Having a soft spot for humans doesn't necessarily mean that she views humans to be on the same level as her, it comes off as being a lot more towards how humans can have soft spots for dogs and cats for example, that she views them more like pets when every other elf seem to regard them as pests.

While most of the "elf hates humans" lore dump came from Templars, elves in general seem to be vehemently hating humans from what we've seen thus far, as in fantasy settings the views of the people tend to mirror that of the monarchs and the one Queen we do come across from the elves seem to be.. let's say less than accepting of humans existence.
Plus, it's basically a fantasy staple at this point to have elves hate literally every other race besides themselves, as nearly every expansive fantasy setting have them view themselves as superior, which seems to also apply well to this VN.

Of course, there's still a lot we don't know about them, but I would be genuinely surprised if they weren't incredibly racist given the fact that they kidnapped the head of the one organization of humans that they have somewhat contact with, demanded them to be disbanded and went "lol your problem" when finding out about Hellspawns.


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Grumpy Old Aussie

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Having a soft spot for humans doesn't necessarily mean that she views humans to be on the same level as her, it comes off as being a lot more towards how humans can have soft spots for dogs and cats for example, that she views them more like pets when every other elf seem to regard them as pests.

While most of the "elf hates humans" lore dump came from Templars, elves in general seem to be vehemently hating humans from what we've seen thus far, as in fantasy settings the views of the people tend to mirror that of the monarchs and the one Queen we do come across from the elves seem to be.. let's say less than accepting of humans existence.
Plus, it's basically a fantasy staple at this point to have elves hate literally every other race besides themselves, as nearly every expansive fantasy setting have them view themselves as superior, which seems to also apply well to this VN.

Of course, there's still a lot we don't know about them, but I would be genuinely surprised if they weren't incredibly racist given the fact that they kidnapped the head of the one organization of humans that they have somewhat contact with, demanded them to be disbanded and went "lol your problem" when finding out about Hellspawns.


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Fair points. We will find out a lot more when the next update drops and discover what the elves are all about. It will be interesting to explore them and the culture Ceolag develops for them.
 
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Ceolag

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Hey everyone,

I sent out the beta version to the testers yesterday.
I don't expect a lot of major issues, mostly typos we missed earlier or easy-to-fix coding errors.

The planned release dates are:
July 27th - Chaplain tier and above
August 9th - Mercenary tier
September 6th - Steam

Have a nice weekend.

Cheers,
Ceolag
 
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