VN Ren'Py The Neverwhere Tales [v0.5.0.4p] [Ceolag]

[Grumpy Old Aussie]

Her reply to being asked if she regrets losing family to stay a templar as "sometimes" just shows she is theirs.
If she left her family for Templars, betraying MC for the good of the order would be walk in the park.
.............
Man, do I not trust or like Linnae one bit...

Refusing to mention any members of said "family" beyond the husband implies those other members are not significant. When the point of these conversations is to mend fences damaged by the MC's parents keeping him in the dark, somehow neglecting to mention that Linnae not only had a daughter but that she was the MC's friend and coworker, that's just dynamiting a whole new section of fence.

Which, admittedly, would be completely in character for these morons. But I think Alfred's point is that if Elea really is Linnae's abandoned daughter, we really should be able to call them out on yet another deception (both the MC's parents and Linnae herself).

I'm suspicious of Linnea, on the surface she seems like a good soul, but her devotion to the Templars and her choice to so easily throw away her responsibility to the rest of the council has me questioning her true motives.

I can see why Linnae would not mention her daughter if it was Elea. If Linnae wants her daughter kept out of the Templar world, then she would know exactly where Elea works and who she works with. It's no surprise to me Linnae would not mention Elea to the MC at that stage. She would risk the MC going straight to Elea and spilling the beans.

 

[Maviarab]

I'm suspicious of Linnea, on the surface she seems like a good soul, but her devotion to the Templars and her choice to so easily throw away her responsibility to the rest of the council has me questioning her true motives.

I can see why Linnae would not mention her daughter if it was Elea. If Linnae wants her daughter kept out of the Templar world, then she would know exactly where Elea works and who she works with. It's no surprise to me Linnae would not mention Elea to the MC at that stage. She would risk the MC going straight to Elea and spilling the beans.

Can't like this entire post enough

 

[Raziel_8]

If she abandoned her child (bonus points if that's Elea) and never even bothered to keep an eye on him/her?
That would be inexcusable, and I'd hate her guts.

Fully agree with you there.

I'm suspicious of Linnea, on the surface she seems like a good soul, but her devotion to the Templars and her choice to so easily throw away her responsibility to the rest of the council has me questioning her true motives.

Yeah, she is the most likeable among them, i certainly don't trust her thought, even more so if you on a fuck the templars run.
Someone who abandons their family and children for the sake of the templars would pretty much do anything else for them.

Well to be fair, she took responsibility for her actions (something so very un-templar like) and thinks it's correct, as she would set a really bad example for any other templar, which is kinda true.
Also if you would be on the council with these morons for 2 decades i can understand why she (or anyone) would feel glad to be free of them...

That being said, she would be a really good traitor, one which almost none would suspect, least the father. Thought i'd be curious for her motives, as i don't really see her as someone which would do it out of hate, or would do it forsome far fetched goal.

 

[Tremonia]

I firmly believe that shit is going to go down in this mysterious underground club she is desperate to go to.

My bet is this club is in Neverwhere.

 

[Alfred the Fallen]

Refusing to mention any members of said "family" beyond the husband implies those other members are not significant. When the point of these conversations is to mend fences damaged by the MC's parents keeping him in the dark, somehow neglecting to mention that Linnae not only had a daughter but that she was the MC's friend and coworker, that's just dynamiting a whole new section of fence.

Which, admittedly, would be completely in character for these morons. But I think Alfred's point is that if Elea really is Linnae's abandoned daughter, we really should be able to call them out on yet another deception (both the MC's parents and Linnae herself).

Yeah, the whole thing just feels intentionally deceiving, which isn't something they should be doing in the middle of a trust building exercise. Like... what are they even thinking at this point? Do they think they won't get caught? Again? That they can hide behind a technicality? I'm more confused about the motivations here than anything.

If they are trying to keep Elea safe, they would be watching her. And if they are watching her, they know we are (potentially) in a relationship with her. And they know we fed up with all the lies in our life. So the odds of us spilling the beans to her seem pretty high here, right? And wouldn't that come back to bite them in real big hurry?

The one thing I want most in the next update is a chance to sit down with Linnae and talk with her about our parents decisions. In particular, about how close we were to being killed because we didn't know the dangers around us. So far he's just upset at being lied to on a moral ground sort of argument, where I would like to expand this into a more practical viewpoint.

You ever see that Chernobyl mini-series? Where the one character talks about the cost of lies, and how every lie incurs a debt to the truth, and one day that debt will have to be paid? That's the sort of thing I want to see. Netfilx and chill with Linnae.

I understand that lies are a necessity when part of a secret organization. But you can't go around lying to everyone all the time. There needs to some sort of general rule about the difference between lying to outsiders and lying to those within the organization. How are we supposed to function if we can't believe anyone ever?

 

[ename144]

I'm suspicious of Linnea, on the surface she seems like a good soul, but her devotion to the Templars and her choice to so easily throw away her responsibility to the rest of the council has me questioning her true motives.

I can see why Linnae would not mention her daughter if it was Elea. If Linnae wants her daughter kept out of the Templar world, then she would know exactly where Elea works and who she works with. It's no surprise to me Linnae would not mention Elea to the MC at that stage. She would risk the MC going straight to Elea and spilling the beans.

As opposed to the MC *definitely* going to straight to Elea to spill the beans if he learns the truth from someone other than Linnae?

I'm not saying Linnae might not prefer those odds even so, but it's a very questionable move when all she had to do was just not talk about her family at all. The only reason to give an answer there was to build trust with the MC. Lying by omission is a very high risk/low reward way to go about that.

Fully agree with you there.

Yeah, she is the most likeable among them, i certainly don't trust her thought, even more so if you on a fuck the templars run.
Someone who abandons their family and children for the sake of the templars would pretty much do anything else for them.

Well to be fair, she took responsibility for her actions (something so very un-templar like) and thinks it's correct, as she would set a really bad example for any other templar, which is kinda true.
Also if you would be on the council with these morons for 2 decades i can understand why she (or anyone) would feel glad to be free of them...

That being said, she would be a really good traitor, one which almost none would suspect, least the father. Thought i'd be curious for her motives, as i don't really see her as someone which would do it out of hate, or would do it forsome far fetched goal.

I'm lukewarm on Linnae overall, but I'm skeptical she's the traitor. Her input seems to be the best thing the Templars had going for them when the Grand Master was kidnapped, and there's no obvious reason for her to step unilaterally rather than wait for them to pass judgement on her in their own time (heaven knows how long that might take). If Linnae is a traitor, she must have a much more complicated agenda than just 'destroy Templars.' For example, if it turns out there's a grand conspiracy behind the MC's many 'hunches,' Linnae would be an obvious suspect. But merely trying to provoke a war between the Templars and Alfar? I don't see how that would fit her actions as we currently understand them.

As for her stepping down from the council, I can certainly understand why she'd be glad to be rid of them, but at the same time, it's hard to miss just how close they came to getting the Templars annihilated in less than a week when crisis struck. If Linnae is so devoted to the Templars she'd walk away from her family for them, you'd think she'd be more worried about who would succeed her.

Then again, she has to have considerably more faith in the Templars than I do. Maybe she assumes things will calm down with Robert back and her highly skilled replacement will have time to get up to speed. I certainly wouldn't put my money on it (even before seeing Chapter 5), but I'm not a fanatical Templar.

Yeah, the whole thing just feels intentionally deceiving, which isn't something they should be doing in the middle of a trust building exercise. Like... what are they even thinking at this point? Do they think they won't get caught? Again? That they can hide behind a technicality? I'm more confused about the motivations here than anything.

If they are trying to keep Elea safe, they would be watching her. And if they are watching her, they know we are (potentially) in a relationship with her. And they know we fed up with all the lies in our life. So the odds of us spilling the beans to her seem pretty high here, right? And wouldn't that come back to bite them in real big hurry?

The one thing I want most in the next update is a chance to sit down with Linnae and talk with her about our parents decisions. In particular, about how close we were to being killed because we didn't know the dangers around us. So far he's just upset at being lied to on a moral ground sort of argument, where I would like to expand this into a more practical viewpoint.

You ever see that Chernobyl mini-series? Where the one character talks about the cost of lies, and how every lie incurs a debt to the truth, and one day that debt will have to be paid? That's the sort of thing I want to see. Netfilx and chill with Linnae.

I understand that lies are a necessity when part of a secret organization. But you can't go around lying to everyone all the time. There needs to some sort of general rule about the difference between lying to outsiders and lying to those within the organization. How are we supposed to function if we can't believe anyone ever?

Indeed. To paraphrase The Sting: you can't play your friends like marks. The MC's parents clearly don't grasp that distinction, but I'd like to think Linnae does. I suppose time will tell.

 

[Anon4321]

Was hit with this, thankfully my ESET intervened

 

[xapican]

What hit with this, thankfully my ESET intervened

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[alanrock]

What hit with this, thankfully my ESET intervened

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There is no such thing in my game.
Did you say No to sweet beautiful Kaija, if so your computer will self-destruct.

 

[Anon4321]

there were some issues with a infested file distributed here in this thread, the now aviable versions should be safe, when did you download it ?

I was when v5 first released, I restarted it today and that popped up

 

[Ashira13]

I was when v5 first released, I restarted it today and that popped up

that version was unfortunately infected, although we caught it pretty fast. always check README - Recent Malware infected games | F95zone to be safer.

 

[Tremonia]

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Hey everyone,

I'm back from vacation.

Everything was pretty good, and I had a bit of time to get my mind off of work and other things.
I did a bit more planning and writing while on vacation so I have a good base to start the "real" development of Chapter 6.
I'll start setting up the first renders for Chapter 6 this week and post the first Dev update on Friday.

Speaking of Friday...
It's also the day for the Steam Release. It's been a long way and I never imagined that I'd do something like that when I started working on TNT.

I can't wait for Friday but I'll also be kinda relieved when it's done. It has been quite a lot of additional work and I'm happy when I can focus on developing the game again.

If you happen to buy the game on Steam and don't mind to review it, please do so.
It's vital to get to 10 reviews as soon as possible because that's the threshold for Steam to take the game "seriously" and start promoting it more. Everything below 10 reviews is considered "vaporware".
Have a nice weekend guys and read you on Friday.

Cheers,
Ceolag

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[Ashira13]

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[Wolfram99]

If Linnae is so devoted to the Templars she'd walk away from her family for them, you'd think she'd be more worried about who would succeed her.

Maybe she was as devoted as Kaija in her youth, but after so many years being an executive of an order with dubious practices, she might finally see what the Templar order actually is and may have become sort of apathetic to it.
Something along the lines of:
In an organization there are those that do their job to solve the problem
And those who keep the problem to continue their job.

 

[ename144]

Maybe she was as devoted as Kaija in her youth, but after so many years being an executive of an order with dubious practices, she might finally see what the Templar order actually is and may have become sort of apathetic to it.
Something along the lines of:
In an organization there are those that do their job to solve the problem
And those who keep the problem to continue their job.

If she'd grown dubious of the Templars she would have retired from them completely. Linnae makes it very clear she's going back to the Templar rank and file, effectively putting herself on the front lines for whatever is coming. That could be a vote of confidence in the leadership of the new Council or a sign of skepticism in the Council's ability to accomplish anything from their lofty perch, but I don't see it as a vote against Templars as a whole.

 

[Wolfram99]

If she'd grown dubious of the Templars she would have retired from them completely. Linnae makes it very clear she's going back to the Templar rank and file, effectively putting herself on the front lines for whatever is coming. That could be a vote of confidence in the leadership of the new Council or a sign of skepticism in the Council's ability to accomplish anything from their lofty perch, but I don't see it as a vote against Templars as a whole.

It could be interpreted as :
That she's preparing to do what templars are supposed to(Kill demons/xenos? and chew bubblegum).
And not work the inner political shenanigans of the council to live another day.

Sort of a tangential similarity with GoT is that the OG Targaryen established his rule to prepare the continent for White walkers, while his descendants just fight to have control of the continent without a care for the OG intentions.

On an unrelated note:
It would be "funny" to see in the next chapter where MC and Medb or Ailil discusses/describes the cause of death of Finna and mentions that she was also "raped" since they found human DNA traces in her, and the camera cuts back to MC looking absolutely uncomfortable if he did do the deed with her.

 

[PaxHadrian17]

It could be interpreted as :
That she's preparing to do what templars are supposed to(Kill demons/xenos? and chew bubblegum).
And not work the inner political shenanigans of the council to live another day.

Sort of a tangential similarity with GoT is that the OG Targaryen established his rule to prepare the continent for White walkers, while his descendants just fight to have control of the continent without a care for the OG intentions.

On an unrelated note:
It would be "funny" to see in the next chapter where MC and Medb or Ailil discusses/describes the cause of death of Finna and mentions that she was also "raped" since they found human DNA traces in her, and the camera cuts back to MC looking absolutely uncomfortable if he did do the deed with her.

Given the amount of sharing that Finnabair does with Medb, I wonder if she had some 'girl talk' with Medb and told her about their day off and swimming adventures, including the sex (no thiram after first sex).

She told Medb that the MC called her a bitch, so I think she has shared some of her early frustrations with Medb - like the MC 'getting naked in front of her as if he was daring her to watch - the audacity of that human!!'

In some ways, Finnabair and the MC having sex was a continuation down the path that was marked by Finnabair's declaration that the MC was Min Ebra.

The Alfar's more casual attitude towards nudity and sex grew to include the MC with Finnabair.

I'm hoping that Medb gets to share some of Finnabair's comments about the MC when she is helping to escort the MC to Neverwhere (I'm hoping that Medb will be the senior Alfar in the escort and, with luck, some of Ceolag's upcoming previews will show us this).

On a side note - I like the fact that some of the Alfar language has found a home in my own language lexicon.

Min Ebra, Thiram, Ainu, Namaari, Mah all auto-translate in my head when I read them, and they come automatically to mind when I am commenting on this thread.

That is an unusual amount of 'buy in' for an AVN world for me - and I like it!

It reminds me of trying to learn Sindarin when I first started reading Tolkien and wanted to immerse myself in his world.

Cheers!!

 

[nitkonikic]

Given the amount of sharing that Finnabair does with Medb, I wonder if she had some 'girl talk' with Medb and told her about their day off and swimming adventures, including the sex (no thiram after first sex).

She told Medb that the MC called her a bitch, so I think she has shared some of her early frustrations with Medb - like the MC 'getting naked in front of her as if he was daring her to watch - the audacity of that human!!'

In some ways, Finnabair and the MC having sex was a continuation down the path that was marked by Finnabair's declaration that the MC was Min Ebra.

No way she didn't tell her.
Think all that just gained MC points in Medb's eyes.

Not only did he spare her life, changed her perspective on humans, but he also made her happy.
As mother, that must have made her happy as well.

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Almost sorry, but not really.

 

[Wolfram99]

No way she didn't tell her.
Think all that just gained MC points in Medb's eyes.

Not only did he spare her life, changed her perspective on humans, but he also made her happy.
As mother, that must have made her happy as well.

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Almost sorry, but not really.

Eh, since Medb doesn't execute the MC on the spot if he chooses to end Finna.
Well, Finna shared her cultural exchange experience with Medb in detail, but sharing with your mom that you were dicked down seems too AVN'ish.
Something like sharing the information/experience with friends after a date, but not including the intimate details.

 

[nitkonikic]

Eh, since Medb doesn't execute the MC on the spot if he chooses to end Finna.
Well, Finna shared her cultural exchange experience with Medb in detail, but sharing with your mom that you were dicked down seems too AVN'ish.
Something like sharing the information/experience with friends after a date, but not including the intimate details.

As she said:
1. He's a guest at that point
2. Duel was approved

But in her own words, she would execute him on the spot if it was up to her.
And I don't mean she shared every single detail, just mentioned they had bit of fun, which is far from AVN'ish.