VN Ren'Py The Neverwhere Tales [v0.6.0.2] [Ceolag]

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Quetzzz

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I wouldn't say cutest, but she is definitely a cutie. Personally, I'm enjoying having a normal sister relationship though, without any sexual tension or one or both drooling over the other. (That's a fairly rare thing in AVNs).
Same. In my current playthrough, playing an MC who's loyal to a fault and got burned bad, she's his only safe haven. I truly enjoy the chats we have with her, and the little time we spend. (Starting chapter 4 now)

It's a weird playthrough for me. There's this weird push & pull with Kaija, like having that one ex you just can't get over. I wanted to hate her and have nothing to do with her anymore. She confessed our relationship was never her priority, but that she felt her priorities had changed. So first, her betrayal made it so I didn't want to trust or open up to anyone, but her confession also turned her into the only other person (besides Jess) that I could hope to trust.
I've joked a lot about a relationship with Kaija being like Stockholm syndrome, and in this playthrough it isn't far off from that. If I wasn't forced to work with the templars to get Dad back, so I can punch him in the face, it would've been easiest to just turn my back on her completely and try to move on.

Chapter 3 summary:
Kaija: 17/18
Elea: 4/22
Fiona: 0/14 - meh. A bit late to get on that train.
Medb: 4/4 - not sure if I even want to be anywhere near that train.
 

Jacowboy

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Eh, I'm not sure I understand the logic behind the relationships in this game...

First of all, it's (almost) always a mistake to begin a game with a girlfriend, even more so like in this game where you need to make a lot of seemingly important decisions with little information at hand very early.

Then, the game says it's not a harem game but kinda behaves like one, throwing bitches at you left and right and allowing you to flirt with all of them only to throw arbitrary choices later on, like if you set up a date with the red-head and get a call from the black girl, you can choose only one and the other one is not even mentioned in passing... =/

I dunno, kinda weird, tbh... I think it'd be better to let you sample everyone and then make the player choose later on? I don't know... at any rate, if the idea is to make players have multiple PTs for each main girl, I don't think the game is well designed for multiple PTs, so yeaaah =/
 

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Eh, I'm not sure I understand the logic behind the relationships in this game...

First of all, it's (almost) always a mistake to begin a game with a girlfriend, even more so like in this game where you need to make a lot of seemingly important decisions with little information at hand very early.

Then, the game says it's not a harem game but kinda behaves like one, throwing bitches at you left and right and allowing you to flirt with all of them only to throw arbitrary choices later on, like if you set up a date with the red-head and get a call from the black girl, you can choose only one and the other one is not even mentioned in passing... =/
Buddy, no offense, but if you don't see why having Kaija start as girlfriend is big plus for this VN, I'm speechless.
Refer to 50% of comments on this thread.

As for throwing girls left and right, well, yeah, so you can choose which one you want the most.

So far there is very little overlap on hanging out with them.
First such scene is Fiona and Elea.
I am not counting Anissa since she's not LI but just an occasional fling.

Just because game is not harem doesn't mean it should only have 1 girl and call it a day.
Variety is the spice of life and all that.

P.S. You can go to night club with Elea and not flirt with her. You can go to beach with her and not flirt with her. You can go to cinema with Fiona and not flirt with her.
So just because girls are there, doesn't mean you HAVE TO flirt with them.
That's something about this VN I really appreciate, scenes still exist, even if it's only between 2 friends.
 

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Buddy, no offense, but if you don't see why having Kaija start as girlfriend is big plus for this VN, I'm speechless.
Refer to 50% of comments on this thread.

As for throwing girls left and right, well, yeah, so you can choose which one you want the most.

So far there is very little overlap on hanging out with them.
First such scene is Fiona and Elea.
I am not counting Anissa since she's not LI but just an occasional fling.

Just because game is not harem doesn't mean it should only have 1 girl and call it a day.
Variety is the spice of life and all that.

P.S. You can go to night club with Elea and not flirt with her. You can go to beach with her and not flirt with her. You can go to cinema with Fiona and not flirt with her.
So just because girls are there, doesn't mean you HAVE TO flirt with them.
That's something about this VN I really appreciate, scenes still exist, even if it's only between 2 friends.
Ceolag does a really good job of differentiating friend/romance paths too. Some you turn a girl down, to be on someone else's romance path and yet you're still drooling over her, thinking she has the best ass in the world and then ask her what color panties she's wearing, all on a 'supposed' friend path. Here, you get different reactions and conversations based on what your choices towards the girl are. It's really well done. (y)
 

Jacowboy

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Ceolag does a really good job of differentiating friend/romance paths too. Some you turn a girl down, to be on someone else's romance path and yet you're still drooling over her, thinking she has the best ass in the world and then ask her what color panties she's wearing, all on a 'supposed' friend path. Here, you get different reactions and conversations based on what your choices towards the girl are. It's really well done. (y)
Yeah, I'll give him props for the dialogues, those are very well written... I do appreciate the different reacitons and alternate dialogues depending on the choices you make... it's the... how would I put it... the design of it all that left me a bit puzzled... I know, maybe that doesn't make sense, but I can't find the proper way to explain it rn =P

Buddy, no offense, but if you don't see why having Kaija start as girlfriend is big plus for this VN, I'm speechless.
Refer to 50% of comments on this thread.

As for throwing girls left and right, well, yeah, so you can choose which one you want the most.

So far there is very little overlap on hanging out with them.
First such scene is Fiona and Elea.
I am not counting Anissa since she's not LI but just an occasional fling.

Just because game is not harem doesn't mean it should only have 1 girl and call it a day.
Variety is the spice of life and all that.

P.S. You can go to night club with Elea and not flirt with her. You can go to beach with her and not flirt with her. You can go to cinema with Fiona and not flirt with her.
So just because girls are there, doesn't mean you HAVE TO flirt with them.
That's something about this VN I really appreciate, scenes still exist, even if it's only between 2 friends.
Yeah no, sorry, I'm not gonna read 50% of the comments on this thread... feel free to enlighten me, tho, I'm always open to be proven wrong.

Again, I wish I could properly explain what it is that bugged me about the relationship structuring or design or whatever you wanna call it, but it's hard.

I'll say this tho, regarding your comment: "So just because girls are there, doesn't mean you HAVE TO flirt with them." I mean, but you kinda have to?? That's kinda the point of AVNs, to be fair... it's what most people are gonna do by default, and that IS part of the problem... you need to flirt with them to hop on their path and engage with them, yet you need to choose quite early... that was my point, maybe it would be better to allow players to interact more with them before making them choose, otherwise it feels like I'm just arbitrarily choosing one over the other with little information to back that decision up.

Like, how should I choose whether I still love Kaija or not so early? I have very little info and interactions with the character... it just feels like a forced choice to split the PTs, it doesn't feel organic.
 

nitkonikic

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Yeah no, sorry, I'm not gonna read 50% of the comments on this thread... feel free to enlighten me, tho, I'm always open to be proven wrong.
Again, I wish I could properly explain what it is that bugged me about the relationship structuring or design or whatever you wanna call it, but it's hard.
You don't have to, I made that as a jest as 50% comments are about Kaija (positive or negative, either goes).
Her being girlfriend (and her reasons for that) have been repeated over and over and over, to the point even most zealous of us got annoyed with it (Fuck Kaija though).

I'll say this tho, regarding your comment: "So just because girls are there, doesn't mean you HAVE TO flirt with them." I mean, but you kinda have to?? That's kinda the point of AVNs, to be fair... it's what most people are gonna do by default, and that IS part of the problem... you need to flirt with them to hop on their path and engage with them, yet you need to choose quite early... that was my point, maybe it would be better to allow players to interact more with them before making them choose, otherwise it feels like I'm just arbitrarily choosing one over the other with little information to back that decision up.
I fail to see why you have to flirt with them.
The point of the story is what dev + player make of it. If dev makes only erotic scenes, with no friendship content, then yes, I agree.
But in a VN that has multiple developed scenes where friends talk, why not experience those? They are there for a reason.
Dev spent time making them so not pursuing relationship is not punished.

Let me give an example:
"I woke up"...fade to black..."I took a shower"...fade to black..."I went to work"...fade to black..."I went to lunch"...fade to black..."I went home"...
That was an update from one of VNs I played. All of those fade to black are sexual content with various girls. Not on sex route? No content. None, zero, zilch.

Meanwhile, you want to be friends with Fiona or Elea and hang out with them? You don't max your points, but you still get a lot of them, and you still hang out (cinema, night club, beach, park). There is still content. Content with different dialogue.
Did you know you can have max-1 points (no clue where that point is) with Fiona even if you never talk to her first time you meet her?
On 2nd meeting you can engage with her for much longer than normal conversation and get relationship up to speed.

Heck, it might even be more organic that way. Someone bumping into you in street is hardly conversation starter. You meet someone that bumped into you previously while exercising? Much more likely to start a chat.

Like, how should I choose whether I still love Kaija or not so early? I have very little info and interactions with the character... it just feels like a forced choice to split the PTs, it doesn't feel organic.
Well, that's chapter 1, and then chapter 2.
There are some bombshells dropped during those 2. Was it chapter 3 with big conversation between the two?
I disagree on little info. She is basically info dump chapter 1-2-3.

And please don't take these as any sort of assault on you, I'm genuinely interested why you think there is not enough info on Kaija. Between mentioned huge scenes + flashback scene, I honestly think there is more than enough for player to decide if he wants to chase relationship or not.
 

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You don't have to, I made that as a jest as 50% comments are about Kaija (positive or negative, either goes).
Her being girlfriend (and her reasons for that) have been repeated over and over and over, to the point even most zealous of us got annoyed with it (Fuck Kaija though).



I fail to see why you have to flirt with them.
The point of the story is what dev + player make of it. If dev makes only erotic scenes, with no friendship content, then yes, I agree.
But in a VN that has multiple developed scenes where friends talk, why not experience those? They are there for a reason.
Dev spent time making them so not pursuing relationship is not punished.

Let me give an example:
"I woke up"...fade to black..."I took a shower"...fade to black..."I went to work"...fade to black..."I went to lunch"...fade to black..."I went home"...
That was an update from one of VNs I played. All of those fade to black are sexual content with various girls. Not on sex route? No content. None, zero, zilch.

Meanwhile, you want to be friends with Fiona or Elea and hang out with them? You don't max your points, but you still get a lot of them, and you still hang out (cinema, night club, beach, park). There is still content. Content with different dialogue.
Did you know you can have max-1 points (no clue where that point is) with Fiona even if you never talk to her first time you meet her?
On 2nd meeting you can engage with her for much longer than normal conversation and get relationship up to speed.

Heck, it might even be more organic that way. Someone bumping into you in street is hardly conversation starter. You meet someone that bumped into you previously while exercising? Much more likely to start a chat.



Well, that's chapter 1, and then chapter 2.
There are some bombshells dropped during those 2. Was it chapter 3 with big conversation between the two?
I disagree on little info. She is basically info dump chapter 1-2-3.

And please don't take these as any sort of assault on you, I'm genuinely interested why you think there is not enough info on Kaija. Between mentioned huge scenes + flashback scene, I honestly think there is more than enough for player to decide if he wants to chase relationship or not.
Uhm, well, when you talk to the sister early in ch2, you have the first choice of whether you still lover her, don't know, or not... maybe that doesn't lock you into anything, but there's no way to know that as a player, and considering some of the other choices, you can't really know for sure...

And no, I don't think even the flashback was enough, because again, the problem with starting with a GF is that you're not getting the whole picture of the characters and their interactions with the MC, and no, a flashback and a couple of info dumps don't do it, imo.

As for the rest, don't get me wrong, I do agree with you about the content, it's the execution that bugged me... more often than not it's the execution that I have issues with, not the ideas or the stories per-se.

I understand if it's a me kind of problem tho, if everyone else is fine with it, then maybe I'm just weird... fair enough =P
 
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