VN Ren'Py The Neverwhere Tales [v0.6.0.2] [Ceolag]

[MiltonPowers]

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[AlexMpog]

if I'm being 100% honest I never even thought about loyalty or trust issues until I came to this thread and was actually surprised she was hated by some because of the context I stated above didn't think many would have issue with her. But that could be because of my understanding nature I don't know. But once I came to this thread I can see why people have issues I just don't agree with them on a personal level.

Well, as far as I am concerned - you never immerse yourself in these games, you see it more as a spectator (correct me If I am wrong), which in turn might make you see things differently and makes it easier for you to deal with such characters/situations.

I know the difference, because I switch my playing modes from time to time .
Like, for example, when I play games focused on fetishes I am not a fan of (lesbian, sharing etc...), or games without appealing story where you just fuck everything that moves and collect them all in the end, I simply watch those games as some movie, just as if I went to the cinema. Obviously I don't have any problems in this mode.

Entirely different situation when I immerse myself - I dive into this universe and let emotions whatever they are go through me, so if some characters act like jerks - it's frustrating/annoying... and vice versa.

I would assume that in real life you wouldn't be happy if someone deceived you for a very long period of time for whatever reasons, I might be wrong of course. It definitely would be a no go for me, or at least it would be legit for me to at least bitch about it and tell the person that it's a dick move and I am not ok with it...

 

[Dark Silence]

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[Quetzzz]

In the middle path she admits that she, felt lust, In the love path, she said she enjoyed it and on the hate path, she admits she used him. no feeling no lust.

I really need to replay this AVN to pick up on the context of when she says this.
I could see it as her reading the MC's mood and applying accordingly.

If she loved him and he's angry at her, how would saying that she went through the motions be in her favor? It would only push him away completely, right? So, even if she's lying, can we conclude that she never did love him?

 

[SamualHand]

Maybe we need a say-something-positive-about-Kaija-day for you and Joshy.
1.Kaija is a good Templar.
2.She has a hot body.
3.She is a good actress.
4. Sorry that's all I got

She is not as old as you

 

[Dessolos]

Well, as far as I am concerned - you never immerse yourself in these games, you see it more as a spectator (correct me If I am wrong), which in turn might make you see things differently and makes it easier for you to deal with such characters/situations.

I know the difference, because I switch my playing modes from time to time .
Like, for example, when I play games focused on fetishes I am not a fan of (lesbian, sharing etc...), or games without appealing story where you just fuck everything that moves and collect them all in the end, I simply watch those games as some movie, just as if I went to the cinema. Obviously I don't have any problems in this mode.

Entirely different situation when I immerse myself - I dive into this universe and let emotions whatever they are go through me, so if some characters act like jerks - it's frustrating/annoying... and vice versa.

I would assume that in real life you wouldn't be happy if someone deceived you for a very long period of time for whatever reasons, I might be wrong of course. It definitely would be a no go for me, or at least it would be legit for me to at least bitch about it and tell the person that it's a dick move or whatever...

TLDR : id say i'm in the middle of playing like a spectator and using my personal feelings about equally as I feel context is just as important as how I just generally feel towards a character. But yeah because I don't immerse myself I can't get mad when a MC should or is mad, lose trust etc etc.

If you don't want to read a small wall of text on how I play / how I came to the conclusion on how I feel I put it in a spoiler. As you made me just to want to type it out even tho it's completely unnecessary but figured what hell might as well.

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[Grumpy Old Aussie]

She is not as old as you

Definitely not as old as me. Kaija is not much older than my youngest daughter and oldest granddaughter.

TLDR : id say i'm in the middle of playing like a spectator and using my personal feelings about equally as I feel context is just as important as how I just generally feel towards a character. But yeah because I don't immerse myself I can't get mad when a MC should or is mad, lose trust etc etc.

If you don't want to read a small wall of text on how I play / how I came to the conclusion on how I feel I put it in a spoiler. As you made me just to want to type it out even tho it's completely unnecessary but figured what hell might as well.

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I tend to immerse myself in the game and get a bit too emotionally invested in some VNs and games. I've coped some criticism for that at times, but I make no apology. Sure I might get too immersed, and go a bit over the top at times. The thing is, I get far more enjoyment out of a game if I can immerse myself in it.
You mention Witcher 3, that is one special game.

 

[MiltonPowers]

Definitely not as old as me. Kaija is not much older than my youngest daughter and oldest granddaughter.


I tend to immerse myself in the game and get a bit too emotionally invested in some VNs and games. I've coped some criticism for that at times, but I make no apology. Sure I might get too immersed, and go a bit over the top at times. The thing is, I get far more enjoyment out of a game if I can immerse myself in it.
You mention Witcher 3, that is one special game.

That's my problem too. Always get too immersed and take things said and done too personally. When MC thinks or says something I wouldn't it gets frustrating.

 

[Dessolos]

I tend to immerse myself in the game and get a bit too emotionally invested in some VNs and games. I've coped some criticism for that at times, but I make no apology. Sure I might get too immersed, and go a bit over the top at times. The thing is, I get far more enjoyment out of a game if I can immerse myself in it.
You mention Witcher 3, that is one special game.

That's my problem too. Always get too immersed and take things said and done too personally. When MC thinks or says something I wouldn't it gets frustrating.

I wish I knew how too honestly. I just never been able to I only get as far as getting invested or making a connection to LI but I wouldn't say im immersed. I typically have a gamer mentality when I play these games where I just see them as video games more or less and I make choices base on what I think it is fun or if I want to play a path / explore the options. However unlike most video games unless they are done well I don't make a connection or feel invested in a character. So there I times I can handle a really sad break up and other times I can't because of this. Funny thing too is I sometimes feel like im a emotionless Witcher in Real Life yet then are times I feel things I normally don't from AVN's or actually feel sad on the edge of wanting to cry haha.

 

[AlexMpog]

That's my problem too. Always get too immersed and take things said and done too personally. When MC thinks or says something I wouldn't it gets frustrating.

yeah, it's especially frustrating when the game forces you to step over yourself and play along

I wish I knew how too honestly. I just never been able to I only get as far as getting invested or making a connection to LI but I wouldn't say im immersed. I typically have a gamer mentality when I play these games where I just see them as video games more or less and I make choices base on what I think it is fun or if I want to play a path / explore the options. However unlike most video games unless they are done well I don't make a connection or feel invested in a character. So there I times I can handle a really sad break up and other times I can't because of this. Funny thing too is I sometimes feel like im a emotionless Witcher in Real Life yet then are times I feel things I normally don't from AVN's or actually feel sad on the edge of wanting to cry haha.

I would say - sometimes it's more of a blessing than a curse hahah (not being able to immerse yourself I mean)
depends on your point of view of course

as for me, I am maximalist, so sometimes I can take things pretty personal, the better story is and the more believable/well written characters are - the more personal it gets

TLDR : id say i'm in the middle of playing like a spectator and using my personal feelings about equally as I feel context is just as important as how I just generally feel towards a character. But yeah because I don't immerse myself I can't get mad when a MC should or is mad, lose trust etc etc.

If you don't want to read a small wall of text on how I play / how I came to the conclusion on how I feel I put it in a spoiler. As you made me just to want to type it out even tho it's completely unnecessary but figured what hell might as well.

Spoiler: How I play and how I came to my conclusion about Kaija

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I get you point, man.

I guess I am just not a very forgiving person in reality, but also I wouldn't say that I am vindictive, I think I am just fair (somewhere in a middle to be moire precise).

On this note - I haven't played neither Witcher 3 (yeah yeah I know) or BG 3, even though both are on me steam account, right now on steam I am stuck with Persona 5, but I'm definitely gonna play BG3 as my next big game

 

[bASKOU]

I can't speak for other devs, of course, but I'm well into 5 digits. And that's not even counting electricity and the time I put in.
Just hardware and assets.
On the income side, I have 298$/month as of now (and way less before of course).
I guess most can do the math on how long it would take me to make back the investment as of now. Without future investments and neglecting annoying stuff like taxes...

That's why a lot of games get abandoned and/or Steam is the only possible way to fund an AVN if you're not top 1% on Patreon AVN devs.

I might be wrong, but from what I see, DAZ AVN takes longer to get the right support and mature slow burn especialy so. In this category of AVN yours is still young, almost 2 years in this forum, with an average of about 1 release every 6 months. it'll take off eventually, and I hope Steam will give you the monetary push you need even with the 30% cut from Steam.

 

[Tremonia]

Always get too immersed and take things said and done too personally. When MC thinks or says something I wouldn't it gets frustrating.

yeah, it's especially frustrating when the game forces you to step over yourself and play along

But that's not a bad thing. After all, it means that you yourself are invested in the story. You “feel” with it and think about it. If you didn't care about the story and the characters were bad, none of this would bother you. Your statements are therefore one of the greatest compliments you can give authors.

As for the “problem” itself: it helps me that with good AVN I always imagine that I'm playing the MC, but I'm not the MC. I haven't lived his life, I don't have his experiences and adventures. Consequently, it's quite logical that a lot of things are simply a given, because the MC is the way he is at the start of a story and that can't be changed.

 

[Joshy92]

Definitely not as old as me. Kaija is not much older than my youngest daughter and oldest granddaughter.


I tend to immerse myself in the game and get a bit too emotionally invested in some VNs and games. I've coped some criticism for that at times, but I make no apology. Sure I might get too immersed, and go a bit over the top at times. The thing is, I get far more enjoyment out of a game if I can immerse myself in it.
You mention Witcher 3, that is one special game.

Dude I completely agree about immersion and like you I won't apologise for it. It's part of why these games can affect me so much.

 

[SamualHand]

Definitely not as old as me. Kaija is not much older than my youngest daughter and oldest granddaughter.

That sounds interesting, maybe I should know you & your family better!?

 

[Grumpy Old Aussie]

That sounds interesting, maybe I should know you & your family better!?

Maybe not. I started out as one of those dad's ready to pull out his shotgun when my daughter's dated. Now I'm one of those father's who feels sorry for the poor bastards dating my daughters. Strong independent women has new meaning with my girls.

 

[Maviarab]

Maybe not. I started out as one of those dad's ready to pull out his shotgun when my daughter's dated. Now I'm one of those father's who feels sorry for the poor bastards dating my daughters. Strong independent women has new meaning with my girls.

So you're saying they are equally as dangerous as everythign else over there? Even the stuff that can't kill you still wants too and damn well try!

 

[MiltonPowers]

So you're saying they are equally as dangerous as everythign else over there? Even the stuff that can't kill you still wants too and damn well try!

That's why we call it the lucky country. You're lucky if you can make it to lunch without something killing you. (Still, wouldn't live anywhere else though ).

 

[Grumpy Old Aussie]

So you're saying they are equally as dangerous as everythign else over there? Even the stuff that can't kill you still wants too and damn well try!

Oh yeah, with my girls its more like torture for a longggggg time than lethal. I couldn't marry any of them. Too much drama for me.

That's why we call it the lucky country. You're lucky if you can make it to lunch without something killing you. (Still, wouldn't live anywhere else though ).

Ain't that the truth. My daughter went out with her mother on the weekend for a trip to the shop. They come home and I asked her how her morning out was. Her reply oh good. Anything interesting? No dad. Then posts picture on Facebook of her playing with baby crocodile. Nothing unusual

 

[xapican]

I really need to replay this AVN to pick up on the context of when she says this.
I could see it as her reading the MC's mood and applying accordingly.

If she loved him and he's angry at her, how would saying that she went through the motions be in her favor? It would only push him away completely, right? So, even if she's lying, can we conclude that she never did love him?

Sorry I don't get what you try to say, do you think that she lied to him on all paths ? and what do you mean with motions ? emotions ?

 

[Maviarab]

Sorry I don't get what you try to say, do you think that she lied to him on all paths ? and what do you mean with motions ? emotions ?

I think he mixing up what is said on which path.