VN Ren'Py The Neverwhere Tales [v0.6.0.2] [Ceolag]

[Dessolos]

Medb and the other Alfar, stared to get weary of, Humans, after Ponce de León tried to conquer the "well of youth" they closed Alfheimr for Humans, the last dorp was that Medbs "Human brother" which o coincidence is similar impulsive as MC, was a Templar and got burned by betrayal
(historical correct here) she helds the Humans and foremost the rest of the Organization responsible for his dead
Medb tells you that just before Finnabair goes on her assignment

o yeah I recall the bit with her brother I just forgot the rest was trying my best to get in Finnabair's pants

Kaija saw you with Finnabair and in a jealous rage stabbed her 29 times until they pulled her off Finnabairs lifeless body. It's all your fault. How could you?

Sorry couldn't resist.


I did on half my playthroughs and now I regret as it will come back to bite me later on (content wise). I may need to replay those routes."

lol was wondering who was gonna make that joke. Joking aside I really hope she wasn't the one that did it , might be the push I need to get on the fuck Kaija train even if she wasn't the aggressor or entirely at fault.

 

[Grumpy Old Aussie]

Joking aside I really hope she wasn't the one that did it , might be the push I need to get on the fuck Kaija train even if she wasn't the aggressor or entirely at fault.

Don't go there people will get upset again. Kaija's okay, I just don't trust her as a romantic partner.

If my character was to take over the Templars I would keep her on because she is a very trustworthy Templar. That is her problem from my point of view. She is married to the Templars and any relationship with her has three people in it, MC, Kaija, Templars and the one to always be neglected is the MC.

 

[Leongen43]

Don't go there people will get upset again. Kaija's okay, I just don't trust her as a romantic partner.

If my character was to take over the Templars I would keep her on because she is a very trustworthy Templar. That is her problem from my point of view. She is married to the Templars and any relationship with her has three people in it, MC, Kaija, Templars and the one to always be neglected is the MC.

As happens in some marriages where work comes first and then your couple, then you understand why there are so many divorces today, although in Kaija's case the part "until death do us part" is that it can happen, right? the phrase "yes, my life" is going to be fundamental to not dying.:

 

[xapican]

She is married to the Templars and any relationship with her has three people in it, MC, Kaija, Templars and the one to always be neglected is the MC.

This is without any intent to attack or defend Kaija; Was it me or in the high Relship path with her is the posibility to sway her to your point of view, ?In ch 4 when you go to neverwhere, and you tell her to help the guy who is been beaten, for example and the Dialoge when you see the Alfar beeing attacked by Hellspawns, is different as well, and there is also the achievement priority change,

 

[BGRW2020]

Why in hell did you have to kill Finnabair, totally wasted 7 weeks with her only to be told the Templars killed her
man that is just not right.

 

[Dessolos]

Why in hell did you have to kill Finnabair, totally wasted 7 weeks with her only to be told the Templars killed her
man that is just not right.

I know right and she outshined everyone and became my favorite. I read she died before playing figured not a big deal just a side character and I thought that was only because the player can kill her or spare her. But I totally saw it coming when it got close to that part. At least Kaija won't find out I cheated on her now.

 

[ename144]

As for Medb...hm, i take her attitude as more of a facade in her diplomatic duty, they are on really bad terms with the templars (and the MC is included in that), they want the templars to fear them, and yeah she got a bit pissed about the life debt .
Add to that she's kinda a millenium old and one of their most powerful and influental people and not particular fond of humans in general.
I honestly can't really fault her for that, if you see their culture and how they life and compare that to the humans as a whole (worse the ones in neverwhere)....well yeah, understandable they have no good view on humanity... i mean, even i don't have a particular good opinion about humanity as a whole ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

I don't see why I shouldn't fault Medb for her arrogance and intolerance. Sure, she has her reasons, but that's true of pretty much everyone with a grievance. Unlike Finnabair, Medb ought to have the wisdom and experience to take a larger view, but she doesn't. She was, in fact, perfectly willing to let the MC die while under a flag of truce even though that was counterproductive to her own goals, simply because she didn't care enough to find an alternative. Even her grudging respect for the MC's mercy is a little undercut by the later revelation that Finnabair was her daughter, an unfortunate downside of that twist.

That's not to say I hate Medb. I appreciate there IS more to her character, and I'm willing to work with her going forward since she can be rational when she needs to be. But I don't see myself starting a Medb run anytime soon.

Medb and the other Alfar, stared to get weary of, Humans, after Ponce de León tried to conquer the "well of youth" they closed Alfheimr for Humans, the last dorp was that Medbs "Human brother" which o coincidence is similar impulsive as MC, was a Templar and got burned by betrayal
(historical correct here) she helds the Humans and foremost the rest of the Organization responsible for his dead
Medb tells you that just before Finnabair goes on her assignment

All true, but it still doesn't explain why the Alfar and Templars are on the verge of war now. However heinous each side's crimes may have been in the past, if they weren't at war at the start of the game they wouldn't be changing that unless SOMETHING is ratcheting up the tension. Friction requires contact, and it's still unclear where they encounter each other often enough to generate any meaningful friction.

We're specifically told the Alfar can't stray too far from their home, and from what Medb said they have no interest in operating on our Earth. Meanwhile the only thing we've learned the Templars do is keep certain powers in Neverwhere from operating on Earth. It seems like the two sides should naturally be giving each other a wide berth, but that's clearly not the case. Presumably they're clashing over something in Neverwhere, but we're long overdue for details.

 

[Dessolos]

that Finnabair was her daughter, an unfortunate downside of that twist.

Did I just over look this from the dialogue as I don't recall seeing that bit or was it cause I only played 1 path where I didn't kill Finnabair

 

[ename144]

Did I just over look this from the dialogue as I don't recall seeing that bit or was it cause I only played 1 path where I didn't kill Finnabair

It only comes up in the 'Daughter of the Sun' scene at the end of the chapter on Medb's route. Finnabair is specifically referred to (in Alfar) as the daughter of Ailill and the daughter of Medb.

 

[xapican]

The Alfar girls in the pussy twister and the City Herself with coouption crime etc . From what I’ve understood Alfar see Neverwhere as theirs

 

[ename144]

The Alfar girls in the pussy twister and the City Herself with coouption crime etc . From what I’ve understood Alfar see Neverwhere as theirs

I didn't get that impression at all. They seem to control very little of Neverwhere, just the the territory around the portal to Alfheimr. It's hard to believe they have distant colonies somewhere; we know they can't stray too far from their home.

Also, if Neverwhere is their goal, their focus should be on the humans that control Neverwhere (or at least the human parts), not the Templars who seem to be regarded as foreigners there.

 

[AWillowAtDawn]

#iwantjustice, this is Fantasy. i almosted mist this game becuse it didnt have the tag

 

[minibaer12]

I know right and she outshined everyone and became my favorite. I read she died before playing figured not a big deal just a side character and I thought that was only because the player can kill her or spare her. But I totally saw it coming when it got close to that part. At least Kaija won't find out I cheated on her now.

you may be right, but it will be a whole different story if you fucked Kari and Kaija finds out! (which of course I did, hehehe)

 

[Dessolos]

you may be right, but it will be a whole different story if you fucked Kari and Kaija finds out! (which of course I did, hehehe)

haha I fucked Kari and reloaded

 

[minibaer12]

haha I fucked Kari and reloaded

coward

 

[Grumpy Old Aussie]

This is without any intent to attack or defend Kaija; Was it me or in the high Relship path with her is the posibility to sway her to your point of view, ?In ch 4 when you go to neverwhere, and you tell her to help the guy who is been beaten, for example and the Dialoge when you see the Alfar beeing attacked by Hellspawns, is different as well, and there is also the achievement priority change,

There is a maybe and hence why I have a Kaija save. There may be a redemption path there. For me, the damage is done, I wouldn't be able to trust someone that did that to me in a RL situation. Even if she did have second thoughts the Templars like Linnae would still have a hook in her and influence her. BUT this is a game and anything is possible.

Why in hell did you have to kill Finnabair, totally wasted 7 weeks with her only to be told the Templars killed her
man that is just not right.

Finnabair should have been killed early on but if you save her she is on borrowed time. She fulfilled her role as a bridge between the humans and the elves. The elves have been exposed to a different type of human through Finnabair. She plays an important role, but she became a casualty of war like so many other good people. Its a war and good people die in war. Its shitty but it happens. That is my take anyway.

Is she dead? Maybe it is an elaborate setup by the elves to test the human? I think she is dead though.

 

[Grumpy Old Aussie]

haha I fucked Kari and reloaded

What would Kaija say?

 

[MiltonPowers]

What would Kaija say?

He's too scared to find out. That's why he wiped it from his playthrough.

 

[Grumpy Old Aussie]

I don't see why I shouldn't fault Medb for her arrogance and intolerance. Sure, she has her reasons, but that's true of pretty much everyone with a grievance. Unlike Finnabair, Medb ought to have the wisdom and experience to take a larger view, but she doesn't. She was, in fact, perfectly willing to let the MC die while under a flag of truce even though that was counterproductive to her own goals, simply because she didn't care enough to find an alternative. Even her grudging respect for the MC's mercy is a little undercut by the later revelation that Finnabair was her daughter, an unfortunate downside of that twist.

That's not to say I hate Medb. I appreciate there IS more to her character, and I'm willing to work with her going forward since she can be rational when she needs to be. But I don't see myself starting a Medb run anytime soon.



All true, but it still doesn't explain why the Alfar and Templars are on the verge of war now. However heinous each side's crimes may have been in the past, if they weren't at war at the start of the game they wouldn't be changing that unless SOMETHING is ratcheting up the tension. Friction requires contact, and it's still unclear where they encounter each other often enough to generate any meaningful friction.

We're specifically told the Alfar can't stray too far from their home, and from what Medb said they have no interest in operating on our Earth. Meanwhile the only thing we've learned the Templars do is keep certain powers in Neverwhere from operating on Earth. It seems like the two sides should naturally be giving each other a wide berth, but that's clearly not the case. Presumably they're clashing over something in Neverwhere, but we're long overdue for details.

I'm not as keen on Medb as I was. I think there is a lot more happening off screen Ceolag has yet to reveal. So I'm not writing Medb off. I still hope to melt her beautiful icy heart.

 

[Dr.TSoni]

Damn what an amazing update , I don't even know what to feel right now... Finnabair such a good character. I forgot I was even playing my Kaija love path and cheated on Kaija with her that's how good of a character she was for me. But she will never know now she is dead. I just hope Kaija wasn't the one that killed her cause man then i'm gonna be real confused on how I feel about Kaija. Even if it was in self defense or she didn't start the fight I actually liked Finnabair more than Kaija and im starting to like Medb more as well I think in an update or two Kaija will no longer be my favorite but Medb will. Right now I consider Medb tied with Kaija as my favorite.