VN Ren'Py The Neverwhere Tales [v0.6.0.2] [Ceolag]

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Krytax123

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I think Medb warmed up to him quite a bit and she saw what an impact he had on Fin so she went with the compassionate choice.
Yeah and the King did too in their sparring session i guess and the one queen the mc did meet could probably at least tell that theres something special about him.

Still seems kinda irresponsible in a war and i think Medb should face repercussions from the queen/king/other authoritys. They will need her for the war tho so shes probably safe.

Or the alfar have their own goal in mind with letting him go.
 

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I think Medb warmed soaked up to him quite a bit
Now it is right ! you're welcome,
regarding Whaaat! , If you got "invited" by any member of the clan who takes resposability over you (Ailil) you only can be touched by challenging you for a duel, Ailil also "invited" him because else Finn would have charged again.
TLDR no formal status here no Diplomatic imunity, just Guest / Host customs.
 

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Yeah and the King did too in their sparring session i guess and the one queen the mc did meet could probably at least tell that theres something special about him.

Still seems kinda irresponsible in a war and i think Medb should face repercussions from the queen/king/other authoritys. They will need her for the war tho so shes probably safe.

Or the alfar have their own goal in mind with letting him go.
Yeah, I don't think that their 180 in behaviour towards the MC is out of goodwill, more likely that they deemed they can either gain something from him or manipulate him to do something for them.
Just seems very unlikely for the king himself to just go "yeah kid seems cool I'll hang out with him" when it comes from a species that has held a grudge against humans (specifically templars) for like what, 1800 years or some shit?

Unless there's some like Gary Stu "the power of charisma and friendship" shit going on given that he's holding on to Durendal, but dev doesn't seem to be the type of person to write that way.
 
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Yeah and the King did too in their sparring session i guess and the one queen the mc did meet could probably at least tell that theres something special about him.

Still seems kinda irresponsible in a war and i think Medb should face repercussions from the queen/king/other authoritys. They will need her for the war tho so shes probably safe.

Or the alfar have their own goal in mind with letting him go.
Yeah, that's one of those things we'll just have to wait for how story progresses but since she's a potential LI she is most likely safe (especially since Fin's points went to her).

Now it is right ! you're welcome,
regarding Whaaat! , If you got "invited" by any member of the clan who takes resposability over you (Ailil) you only can be touched by challenging you for a duel, Ailil also "invited" him because else Finn would have charged again.
TLDR no formal status here no Diplomatic imunity, just Guest / Host customs.
Sorry, that's not what the meme was for (I forgot to highlight that part ;) ).
 

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The elfs were just impressed by my head patting skills after all that's how I beat Fin in that duel so easily they thought I was gonna kill her but I just booped her nose and grabbed her hand
 

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The elfs were just impressed by my head patting skills after all that's how I beat Fin in that duel so easily they thought I was gonna kill her but I just booped her nose and grabbed her hand
Wait... Nobody told me we could use our super powers...
 

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The elfs were just impressed by my head patting skills after all that's how I beat Fin in that duel so easily they thought I was gonna kill her but I just booped her nose and grabbed her hand
Yeah, as we've discussed recently, they all probably saw the nose booping and hand holding and couldn't help but get hot and bothered imagining ear nibbling (which everyone knows is an Elven weak-point).
 
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Yeah, if I remember correctly, the only reason MC had any protection at all is because Ailill extended him "guest" status until he delivered his message to Medb, with the understanding that he'd essentially be on his own from there. Obviously, Medb could have chosen to extend that protection, but she didn't.
She wasn't given the chance, as Finnabair drew her sword and slashed at the throat of their guest as soon as Medb asked Ailill what we meant by being a guest. I take that as a sign that Finnabair knew that he not only could've still been treated as a guest, but that he should've and would've been treated as such if Ailill were given a chance to explain thing to Medb.

But even if the offer of hospitality ended as soon as the meeting with Medb concluded, we're still talking about cold-blooded murder here by Finnabair. They don't get to pretend that it's okay because they didn't specifically promise not to murder you. What do you suppose would've happened if the Templars murdered Medb as soon as she had finished delivering her demands about the hostage? Do you think that the elves would've just shrugged their shoulders and been all "aw shucks, that's too bad... but it's all Medb's fault for going there." Or do you think that they would've called the Templars a bunch of cowardly dishonourable bastards?
 

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She wasn't given the chance, as Finnabair drew her sword and slashed at the throat of their guest as soon as Medb asked Ailill what we meant by being a guest. I take that as a sign that Finnabair knew that he not only could've still been treated as a guest, but that he should've and would've been treated as such if Ailill were given a chance to explain thing to Medb.

But even if the offer of hospitality ended as soon as the meeting with Medb concluded, we're still talking about cold-blooded murder here by Finnabair. They don't get to pretend that it's okay because they didn't specifically promise not to murder you. What do you suppose would've happened if the Templars murdered Medb as soon as she had finished delivering her demands about the hostage? Do you think that the elves would've just shrugged their shoulders and been all "aw shucks, that's too bad... but it's all Medb's fault for going there." Or do you think that they would've called the Templars a bunch of cowardly dishonourable bastards?
Not disagreeing that Finn's actions there were in the wrong. But I would like to point out that Medb was at the Templars specifically as an established diplomatic envoy and they knew she was coming. That can't be said for MC.
 
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Not disagreeing that Finn's actions there were in the wrong. But I would like to point out that Medb was at the Templars specifically as an established diplomatic envoy and they knew she was coming. That can't be said for MC.
It's not like he magically teleported into their city, or snuck into the capital uninvited. He was escorted there as a guest by Ailill. They had the opportunity to turn him away and deny him passage at the border, but they didn't do that.

I'd also like to point out that Medb was not just an established diplomatic envoy, but also a terrorist who planned the assault, abduction, imprisonment, and forcible interrogation of the head of Templar organization. By contrast, we didn't do anything to hurt any elves, apart from knocking down the one who just tried to rob and murder us. The one who so happened to be the daughter of the elf whose life we saved not that long ago.
 

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It's not like he magically teleported into their city, or snuck into the capital uninvited. He was escorted there as a guest by Ailill. They had the opportunity to turn him away and deny him passage at the border, but they didn't do that.

I'd also like to point out that Medb was not just an established diplomatic envoy, but also a terrorist who planned the assault, abduction, imprisonment, and forcible interrogation of the head of Templar organization. By contrast, we didn't do anything to hurt any elves, apart from knocking down the one who just tried to rob and murder us. The one who so happened to be the daughter of the elf whose life we saved not that long ago.
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It's not like he magically teleported into their city, or snuck into the capital uninvited. He was escorted there as a guest by Ailill. They had the opportunity to turn him away and deny him passage at the border, but they didn't do that.

I'd also like to point out that Medb was not just an established diplomatic envoy, but also a terrorist who planned the assault, abduction, imprisonment, and forcible interrogation of the head of Templar organization. By contrast, we didn't do anything to hurt any elves, apart from knocking down the one who just tried to rob and murder us. The one who so happened to be the daughter of the elf whose life we saved not that long ago.
True on the first part, but it was pretty clear to me that Ailill did not anticipate Finn suddenly demanding a duel. If anything, the scene partially worked to establish that while advanced in many ways, Elven society is still burdened my some archaic laws or traditions. And of course that Medb was not at all fond of intervening on your behalf.

Also regarding Medb, in 100% certain that there were Templars there that would have liked to kill her but only didn't try for two main reasons. One, she had armed guards and is an extremely dangerous combatant herself. And two, the Elves still held the Grandmaster hostage and could retaliate by killing him. The Templars of course have more cause here to try to kill her, but I don't think the fact they didn't is due strictly to honor or something like that.
 
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True on the first part, but it was pretty clear to me that Ailill did not anticipate Finn suddenly demanding a duel. If anything, the scene partially worked to establish that while advanced in many ways, Elven society is still burdened my some archaic laws or traditions. And of course that Medb was not at all fond of intervening on your behalf.
It does serve to establish their basic characterization (though that doesn't do Medb any favors in my book), but it does beg the question of why Ailill only granted the MC safe passage TO the meeting. Don't tell me a guy who lived in a rules-lawyer-culture for millennia didn't recognize the loophole.

Personally, I think he was reluctant to bind the Alfar authorities in case they wanted to capture the MC themselves, and felt the risk was acceptably low (partially since he underestimated Finnabair's temper, partially because he just didn't care for the MC all that much - at least at that point). Would have been nice if he'd mentioned that to the MC ahead of time, of course, but that's not how business is done among the Alfar. Ailill told the MC the terms, it's up to the MC to spot the glaring issues. This is the sort of risk the MC signed himself up for.

Also regarding Medb, in 100% certain that there were Templars there that would have liked to kill her but only didn't try for two main reasons. One, she had armed guards and is an extremely dangerous combatant herself. And two, the Elves still held the Grandmaster hostage and could retaliate by killing him. The Templars of course have more cause here to try to kill her, but I don't think the fact they didn't is due strictly to honor or something like that.
If you're saying Medb would have found a way to forbid the duel if she thought the MC was a threat to Finnabair, I tend to agree. If you're saying the Templars are even more unscrupulous than the Alfar, I disagree. Sure, they hate the elves as much as the Alfar hate them, but for all their grumbling they stil treated Medb with substantially more respect than she showed them in their own home.

Maybe you can attribute that all purely to the Templars having to play from a weaker position in that situation, but I see no reason to give the Alfar the benefit of the doubt given the attitude they've shown at nearly every turn. Even when resolving their own life debt, the Alfar will demand details be settled to their whims, and they consider it a grave affront should anyone even hint otherwise.

I'm pretty unimpressed by both sides of this impending conflict, but so far I find the Templars marginally less offensive.
 

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It is mentioned by the Templar themselfes that the Alfar have the stronger position, ever since chapter 3 if they reluctantly played nice it is because of strategic reasons, Medb herself mentions later, that an open war probably bring the Alfar to the verge of extintion.
They see humans generally as a thread, due to their greed and hunger for power.
and want them far off the Nomans Land of Neverwhere. from where you can access Alfheimr their stronghold.
 
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