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Not the Kaija-Drider-Render you all are waiting for, but Elea has to be enough for now.
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And this is why Elea is my No1 girl....
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When I look at Elea I even forget who that other person is I apparently want to...well..I forget.
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Well, I just got deleted for sayin somethin political and I don't remember postin anythin that was in that genre. It is what it is.You must have posted just as the purge was happening and got missed.
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Another week, another set of those lovely numbers. Looks like Ceolag's overall average is now approximately 93 static renders, 1.1 animations and 260 lines per week since work on chapter 5 officially began. Here are the charts:
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What tyranny? They're a hidden society that seems to specialize in organizational paralysis. It's unclear they could dominate the local coffee shop even if the MC's father was around to break ties.
I don't think you're entitled to someone's secrets just because you're dating them, especially not secrets that could literally get people killed. As ThorinKing said, the ring is symbolic because marriage is generally considered the most significant commitment you can make to another person; that's the point at which all your cards should be on the table (even if a few of them have to be kept face down for security purposes).Btw, I don't agree with you. Putting a ring does not mean being loyal or vice versa. People either are loyal or not, everything else is making excuses. If you catch your significant other cheating on you and as a revenge you also cheat, you are a cheater too. Other party not being faithful does not negate the fact you are also being unfaithful.
Kaija and the MC weren't even officially dating, so I don't find it surprising she didn't spill the beans on the hidden world to the MC. That's a life-changing revelation if ever there was one. If their relationship had continued to deepen then I agree there would come a point where she'd have to confess the full truth, but they weren't there yet. From what the game shows, it's unclear whether they would ever have gotten there had fate not intervened.
IMHO, the only truth Kaija absolutely owed the MC at the start of the game was to be honest about her feelings for him. Unfortunately, her honesty on that crucial matter is retroactively governed by our choices, which makes it very complicated to assess her blame in a consistent manner.
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This might be the first time I say something somewhat negative about Kaija. But I don't disagree entirely exactly with you saying "I don't think you're entitled to someone's secrets just because you're dating them". Especially when the full truth is something most would not believe.What tyranny? They're a hidden society that seems to specialize in organizational paralysis. It's unclear they could dominate the local coffee shop even if the MC's father was around to break ties.
I don't think you're entitled to someone's secrets just because you're dating them, especially not secrets that could literally get people killed. As ThorinKing said, the ring is symbolic because marriage is generally considered the most significant commitment you can make to another person; that's the point at which all your cards should be on the table (even if a few of them have to be kept face down for security purposes).
Kaija and the MC weren't even officially dating, so I don't find it surprising she didn't spill the beans on the hidden world to the MC. That's a life-changing revelation if ever there was one. If their relationship had continued to deepen then I agree there would come a point where she'd have to confess the full truth, but they weren't there yet. From what the game shows, it's unclear whether they would ever have gotten there had fate not intervened.
IMHO, the only truth Kaija absolutely owed the MC at the start of the game was to be honest about her feelings for him. Unfortunately, her honesty on that crucial matter is retroactively governed by our choices, which makes it very complicated to assess her blame in a consistent manner.
But when being selfish and entering into a romantic relationship as the MC's girlfriend. I think she should of said something / explained a bit better why she is gone all the time. Even if it's still a lie I think hiding a truth with a lie that is similar or close to the truth is still better than nothing. As to me that would soften the blow wouldn't be as bad when the full truth comes out while that is still a lie it wouldn't be entirely untrue either if it was close to the truth. Especially if it was something close to the truth and as the truth isn't something most people would believe without proof and she cant exactly show the MC the proof either without consequences.
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It's not that I disagree, but what could she tell him that would make a difference without giving the whole game away? He already knew she was a covert operative who spent more time working than she did with him. She even flat out told him she was in Neverwhere at one point, for all the good that would do him.
Sure, she could say she's reluctant to start anything formal with the MC because of her job, but she knows he wouldn't let her leave it at that. He'd want to know why, and at that point she'd either have to fess up or break things off completely - both of which are valid choices and we could argue their virtues, but I can understand why she didn't want to open that can of worms.
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yeah I see that however unless i'm miss remembering I think the MC was always fishing for answers about her work. Assuming im not miss remembering I just feel maybe if she threw him a bone and made up some stories about a mission here and there instead of saying it's top secret / it's confidential all the time since it wasn't the truth anyways. It would of played out a little better and he wouldn't be so stressed out and wondering what is she hiding. Cause I think the MC was a bit skeptical about her job cause of how secretive she was , and feeling stressed out over it.
Agree. They aren't in a very good shape to do much of anything.
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I don't think you're entitled to someone's secrets just because you're dating them, especially not secrets that could literally get people killed. As ThorinKing said, the ring is symbolic because marriage is generally considered the most significant commitment you can make to another person; that's the point at which all your cards should be on the table (even if a few of them have to be kept face down for security purposes).
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If you have moved in with the someone then that is the time to start revealing secrets. Your partner should know before the altar. Its not fair to your partner or yourself to go in to a marriage with secrets so they need to come out before the wedding.
We can debate when Kaija should have revealed her secrets, but his parents are the ones I am particularly angry at. Its utter bullshit they have kept everything from him and allowed Kaija to date and move in with the MC especially knowing she didn't love him. Even on the love path, she may have fallen in love with him but she wasn't when the relationship started. How they could not tell the MC disgusts me. I'm hoping Coelag will give the MC the opportunity to rip them a new one.
I agree she should have been honest about her feelings, but it has greater implications no matter which path you take. Its a relationship built on deception and not on honesty. There is no way the MC should continue any sort of relationship with her. He could never trust her again no matter what her feelings are. Without honesty and trust the relationship is dust.IMHO, the only truth Kaija absolutely owed the MC at the start of the game was to be honest about her feelings for him. Unfortunately, her honesty on that crucial matter is retroactively governed by our choices, which makes it very complicated to assess her blame in a consistent manner.
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The Templars are just like the Brotherhood of Steel. They horde knowledge and claim to protect and all they do is try and force control. Then add in their xenophobia and that makes them tyrannical. I'm not sayin the Elves are any better.
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I think fabricating stories to placate the MC's curiosity would be even worse. That's the point, at least to me, where Kaija would go from being as honest as she can to manipulating the MC to make her own life easier. If the MC needs answers she can't give, well, he can break up with her. As long as he's willing to accept her secrets, she's done her part. YMMV, of course.
Moving in with someone would normally be a reasonable milestone, but I'm a little skeptical in this case. Kaija moves out of the MC's apartment so quickly and with so little fanfare I have to wonder how much stock they put into cohabitation. Given their history, my guess is they started living together as platonic roommates before they became lovers - which again muddies the waters about exactly how much of a commitment they were making to each other.
No argument there. I might be willing to cut the parents a tiny bit of slack if it turns out that, say, mere knowledge of the supernatural makes a person potentially more vulnerable to it. That would at least partially explain their insistence on keeping their kids in the dark about the Templars. But there's no excuse for the idiotic notion of letting Kaija be the MC's covert bodyguard once it was clear they had deeper feelings for each other.
AVNs are hardly strangers to bad parents, but these two are something else.
To my mind, there's a difference between a relationship rooted in deception and a relationship that emerged in the midst of a deception. It's a small difference I'll grant you, but it's an important one to me. Trampling over that distinction is a big part of why I dislike making the nature of Kaija's relationship depend on nondiegetic factors.
But... they aren't trying to force control. They're just sitting around minding whatever passes for their own business. However greedy and xenophobic they may be, the one thing they don't seem to be capable of is projecting their will onto pretty much anyone.