VN Ren'Py The Neverwhere Tales [v0.6.0.2] [Ceolag]

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ename144

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Make your mind up... :sneaky:
They aren't incompatible. An organization that specializes in a narrow field (in this case, fighting the supernatural) to the point they can't do anything else strikes me as truth in television. :p

She would still have access to weapons...her training. Again, she isn't incapable...as for your feeble attempt at a counter...so she has to work. Right..ok? Better than being in a different dimension entirely. Not much different really huh?
Yet strangely she wasn't in a different dimension when the moment came, was she? The MC might have thought she was on long 'business' trips far away, but I don't think that was really the case. I suspect she was relatively near at hand most of the time (Neverwhere is a very handy shortcut), just doing things she couldn't tell him about.
 

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I am aware of this, probably even post it in here related to something else but she said what she said and she did what she did. Being aware of it does not change a thing about it.
Also, it does not vary by paths. She faked the relationship in all paths, what varies how much it was fake.
If you have any regard for someone let alone love them, you simply don't do what she did. So lying to MC is entirely selfish for her.
she should have find a way to explain to MC. If that is also was not possible, then she should have just break up.
Words are cheap as they say, internal thoughts even cheaper. Actions matter, and she has shown us, in detail..on all paths, what her actions are.
Yet strangely she wasn't in a different dimension when the moment came, was she? The MC might have thought she was on long 'business' trips far away, but I don't think that was really the case. I suspect she was relatively near at hand most of the time (Neverwhere is a very handy shortcut), just doing things she couldn't tell him about.
You're just reaching now...
 

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I see everyone is still talking bad about my honey buns.
Guys you are being very mean Kaija is my soulmate, my one true love.
We should all give her a second chance.
 

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Saved MC, stood by MC every time, supported MC through his difficult times,
sacrificed everything to ensure she got to be close and personal and even strike up
a FWB relationship with MC - MC sure never seemed to want more, never did more.
she has shown us, in detail..on all paths, what her actions are
Girls fighting to be with the guy they like is such a rare find - compared to what shit is going on in intertwined where the MC best friend just dumps him on his birthday and scars him for life .. this is a breeze.
 
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I see everyone is still talking bad about my honey buns.
Guys you are being very mean Kaija is my soulmate, my one true love.
We should all give her a second chance.
I am willing to give her a second chance as long as she'll take it in hell where she belongs. ;)
Also you are fucking lying to us Joshy, she can't be your soulmate after all she does not have any soul.
 
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Sure, she did her job for once, and then the MC saved her ass as she managed to lose a swordfight in which her opponent only had a knife...
stood by MC every time
Please define every time...as for the most time she shines through absence.
supported MC through his difficult times
She is half the reason for his difficult time! And supported ? The sister did, Fiona and Elea did to a lesser degree, she didn't do anything.
sacrificed everything to ensure she got to be close and personal and even strike up
a FWB relationship with MC - MC sure never seemed to want more, never did more.
Sacrificed what ? She did it because it was easier for her to do her job...
Uhm, FWB relationship ? They were a couple and lived together, short of a marriage proposal what do you expect ?
Girls fighting to be with the guy they like is such a rare find
When did that happen ?
 

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It's easy to dismiss the Templars as a cult when all they do is bicker and act petty, but what if they're not? What if they really are a shield to the innocent?
Kaija's actions have a context to them and we only know the broadest of strokes. Given that, I don't think it's unreasonable to show sympathy to her while we try to get our bearings on how this new world actually works.
See that's the thing, I don't think Templars are a cult. They are proper organization, with capable leadership and all. Problem being, they are also one with really messed up morals.
Remember that their literal orders to Kaija were to seduce MC to be close to him. That was an order at first!

Small EDIT here: Also a reason why I don't trust that bitch MC is doing sword training with. Fuck off lady. You are part of the problem, stop acting like good cop.

As for Kaija, because I don't consider Templars a cult is why I find her actions even more unforgiving.
She makes her own decisions, and she decided, not under orders, to seduce MC and let him live a life of lie.

In her own words (not love path), everything except initial friendship was a lie.
That's just INSANE when you think about it.
She willingly decided to lie to, seduce and spy on a person she calls friend.
You know that saying: "With friends like these, who needs enemies.". Kaija is very personification of that expression.

If children will suddenly go missing in the night or dark spirits will influence the unwary if the Templars were exposed and expunged, is it still so easy to dismiss her concern for their secrets? If Kaija's fellow Templars are going to be killed in the line of duty because she isn't there to guard their back, should we expect her to give them the bird so she can hook up with the MC? I don't think so.
It would make their continued existence better, yes, but it would be a necessary evil, not something MC should welcome.

And as much as I hate Kaija, MCs parents...dear lord, if something like that happened in my life they would be dead to me after all the shit is gone and they're safe. Literally gone from existence.
They valued their job over their child, to the point of ruining his life so they can sleep better at night, for his own good or whatever.
Lying pieces of shite, both of them.
 

nitkonikic

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Hey, Kaija discussions all day long or not, it's still nice to see 130 pages of discussions for VN with 4 releases so far.
Might attract some people to see what all the fuss is about.

And as long as they don't see Joshy's comments, maybe they'll even stay.
 
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See that's the thing, I don't think Templars are a cult. They are proper organization, with capable leadership and all
Her speach to the MC about how noble her order is and her oaths...suggests very differently. One could argue she's literally been brainwashed. You know what other cults organisations do that?
Ceolag ! do you enjoy your popcorn right ? :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO:
Oh he loves it and his VN gets duscussion going like some other devs could only imagine and dream of.
 
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In her own words (not love path), everything except initial friendship was a lie.
That's just INSANE when you think about it.
She willingly decided to lie to, seduce and spy on a person she calls friend.
You know that saying: "With friends like these, who needs enemies.". Kaija is very personification of that expression.
To be fair, everyone around here, expect the delusional ones (hello Joshy), just accepts Kaija is an evil, lying, backstabbing piece of shit at her not love path.When we are discussing about her we mainly are referring her so-called love path.

Other than that, I mostly agree with you, except I do think they are a cult or at least operates like one.

Her speach to the MC about how noble her order is and her oaths...suggests very differently. One could argue she's literally been brainwashed. You know what other cults organisations do that?
Agreed.

Ceolag ! do you enjoy your popcorn right ? :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO:
Edit: by the way they are a order, even after they were dissolved, they are a Brotherhood like the Free Masons, Rosicruziamums, Opus Dei. or the Assesins in former times.
Ceolag, every time someone starts discussing Kaija (coloured)
 

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To be fair, everyone around here, expect the delusional ones (hello Joshy), just accepts Kaija is an evil, lying, backstabbing piece of shit at her not love path.When we are discussing about her we mainly are referring her so-called love path.

Other than that, I mostly agree with you, except I do think they are a cult or at least operates like one.


Agreed.


Ceolag, every time someone starts discussing Kaija (coloured)
Gonna be lit when MC marries Kaija in the end, becomes head Templar, and starts a family that will guide the organization into the future and prevent human genocide by the evil elves. ;):ROFLMAO::devilish:
 
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Gonna be lit when MC marries Kaija in the end, becomes head Templar, and starts a family that will guide the organization into the future and prevent human genocide by the evil elves. ;):ROFLMAO::devilish:
Gonna be lit when MC marries Kaija in the end, becomes head Templar, and starts a family then feel a knife at his back Kaija twisting. ;):)(y)
 
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