VN Ren'Py The Neverwhere Tales [v0.6.0.2] [Ceolag]

[Dr.TSoni]

More untrustworthy than unfaithful

 

[Defenestrator.for.traitor]

More untrustworthy than unfaithful

Untrustworthy is already given treat of her but even a stranger can be untrustworthy. Unfaithfulness comes from a betrayal, a disloyal act, something to break the faith you have given.

I think it depends on the context.

Looks like common consensus is it will depends on the context.

I'd say yeah the lie can be considered unfaithful to the relationship.

Yeah I agree Kaija is both untrustworthy and unfaithful.

in most cases she never went into the relationship without the intention of being a real couple

Btw, what you mean by this? She does that.

 

[Dessolos]

Btw, what you mean by this? She does that.

I need to replay the game myself. as there was one part on the love path to me that felt like she went into the relationship because she wanted too rather than her templar masters. So until I replay the game myself even tho some say it's the same on the love path , I'm just not comfortable saying she never went into the relationship without the intention of being a real couple on all paths. As I still believe on the love path until I replay the game myself that she wanted to try to be a real couple but failed once she started with the lies about the templars and her work. As I dont really get the feeling she did it to make her job easier like others on the love path

 

[Defenestrator.for.traitor]

I need to replay the game myself. as there was one part on the love path to me that felt like she went into the relationship because she wanted too rather than her templar masters. So until I replay the game myself even tho some say it's the same on the love path , I'm just not comfortable saying she never went into the relationship without the intention of being a real couple on all paths. As I still believe on the love path until I replay the game myself that she wanted to try to be a real couple but failed once she started with the lies about the templars and her work. As I dont really get the feeling she did it to make her job easier like others on the love path

Yeah in all paths she starts relationship without love, only on the love path she fell for MC. So there is no path that she started the relationship because of love.

Here's a reference post,

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[Dr.TSoni]

Untrustworthy is already given treat of her but even a stranger can be untrustworthy. Unfaithfulness comes from a betrayal, a disloyal act, something to break the faith you have given.

True, but when we talk about infidelity in a relationship we mainly mean physical cheating.
This is why the term sounds out of place in this context

 

[Leongen43]

True, but when we talk about infidelity in a relationship we mainly mean physical cheating.
This is why the term sounds out of place in this context

Kaija was not unfaithful while she was with him but she did keep many secrets from him and some of them were very important but it cannot be ruled out that she may have had sex with another person during the time they were separated, right?

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[Punto]

Were is the update??

 

[Dr.TSoni]

Kaija was not unfaithful while she was with him but she did keep many secrets from him and some of them were very important but it cannot be ruled out that she may have had sex with another person during the time they were separated, right?

Excluding the love path there wasn't even a relationship

 

[Grumpy Old Aussie]

Kaija was not unfaithful while she was with him but she did keep many secrets from him and some of them were very important but it cannot be ruled out that she may have had sex with another person during the time they were separated, right?

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This has been speculated about in the past. It is quite possible if it aided the Templars, but its outside the scope of the story line at the moment so we will probably never know for sure if Kaija did. Considering what Neverwhere is like, my money is on yes she did unless Ceolag says otherwise.

 

[Defenestrator.for.traitor]

This has been speculated about in the past. It is quite possible if it aided the Templars, but its outside the scope of the story line at the moment so we will probably never know for sure if Kaija did. Considering what Neverwhere is like, my money is on yes she did unless Ceolag says otherwise.

I feel like it was hinted at when she talked about night club. Though, it very well can be my take because I don't have high opinion of her. She said it's a good place to get information and I don't think brute force was the only option she used to get the information needed. Like you said nothing solid on that front and only Ceolag can give a definite answer.

 

[ThorinKing]

Outside the situation at hand. Is not lying unfaithful? Does someone need to have a physical, sexual thing to be considered unfaithful?

Would you lie to someone you loved for their protection and to protect their happiness? Keep in mind: one answer will make you a hypocrite, the other a liar.

 

[ThorinKing]

for all we know she could have fucked someone in neverwhere if the job required it

Guilty until proven innocent. How.....reasonable.

 

[ThorinKing]

That's why I chose the king brown. Kaija is smart, calculating. The guys on her path will feel her fangs at some point. Her venom will flow through their veins and they'll die believin she still loved them.

The only venom in all of this is from guys that think a woman protecting them and lying to them about it is the most evil thing a woman could do to a man. The man gets to do those things, not the woman.

You'll protest and maybe you wouldn't do it NOW with the experience of life behind you; most of these guys couldn't say that to me or anyone here and be believable.

 

[Leongen43]

Would you lie to someone you loved for their protection and to protect their happiness? Keep in mind: one answer will make you a hypocrite, the other a liar.

What happens with Kaija is the same thing that happens to most human beings is that you cannot be 100% sincere and transparent with the person you love because not all parts of you are going to be accepted in the same way and the The possibility of creating distance between them must be what causes Kaija to have her secrets with him, it will depend over time if when those secrets are revealed and how important they are if I want to continue my romance with Kaija or not, right?

 

[Elduriel]

Guilty until proven innocent. How.....reasonable.

she is hardly innocent, if she lied about her whole identity, she could be lying about a lot of other things, couldn't she?

 

[Dark Silence]

The only venom in all of this is from guys that think a woman protecting them and lying to them about it is the most evil thing a woman could do to a man. The man gets to do those things, not the woman.

You'll protest and maybe you wouldn't do it NOW with the experience of life behind you; most of these guys couldn't say that to me or anyone here and be believable.

No need to protest. It's not worth it. Plus, I don't have a problem with a woman protectin me. It's what a good woman does. She protects her man as much as a man protects her. If not more. But when such protection comes with lies and secrets bundled in, that's where the problem is.

 

[Raziel_8]

Would you lie to someone you loved for their protection and to protect their happiness? Keep in mind: one answer will make you a hypocrite, the other a liar.

Yeah...sorry, but what a load of nonsense.
She is protecting absolutely no one with her lies/secrets, least of all the MC and she sure as hell isn't protecting the happiness of the MC with it, if anything the opposite...

Guilty until proven innocent. How.....reasonable.

Well, if one is a notorious liar, which lied about pretty much anything for years to you...
So yeah, taking anything about that person with a grain of salt is reasonable.

The only venom in all of this is from guys that think a woman protecting them and lying to them about it is the most evil thing a woman could do to a man. The man gets to do those things, not the woman.

You're still on with that misogyny nonsense, doesn't matter if it is a man or woman who lies, same treatment for both, that is also as most people i knew treat it. Never heard a friend or acquaintance in real life saying it's fine if the man does it, but condemned it if it was done by a women.

If the MC would be in Kajia's role i sure as hell wouldn't blame her for being pissed at the MC or breaking up with him, completely understandable. Honestly i would have cheered on her if she kicked him in the balls after she finds out about all the secrets and lies.

 

[nitkonikic]

I hate Kaija as much as all other reasonable people, but don't even consider she was cheating.
Not that kind of game, and while her sins are numerous and unforgivable, that one is not part of them.

 

[Maviarab]

I hate Kaija as much as all other reasonable people, but don't even consider she was cheating.
Not that kind of game, and while her sins are numerous and unforgivable, that one is not part of them.

Have proof of that do you?

Because right now, the logic and sensible money says you couldn't possibly rule it out given everything else. Doesn't matter whether or not it's 'that type of game', it doesn't need to be in the game does it now? The MC and Kaija have been together quite some time...who is to say what she may or may not have done before Game Day 01?

 

[Elduriel]

If the MC would be in Kajia's role i sure as hell wouldn't blame her for being pissed at the MC or breaking up with him, completely understandable. Honestly i would have cheered on her if she kiked him in the balls after she finds out about all the secrets and lies.

yep typical double standard stuff, if a male pulled that shit he wouldn't hear the end of it, but since it's it's Kaija all should be forgiven, right?