VN Ren'Py The Neverwhere Tales [v0.6.0.2] [Ceolag]

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PaxHadrian17

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Medb is an Álfar. Given words means a lot for them. At least that's what the story tells us. When Medb says she'll pass the message/phone, it'll happen.
I agree.

I also think it is quite within Medb's character to gloat a bit, like her adding a video introduction:

'Have you seen the Grandmaster's son? I have...

You seem to like all your secrets

How's that working for you?*'

* Medb is quoting Dr. Phil since she watches his show when she is bored, which explains some of her disgust with humanity... thank God she can't get The Jerry Springer Show on the Alfar equivalent of Roku. ;)


Cheers!! :coffee:
 

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I agree.

I also think it is quite within Medb's character to gloat a bit, like her adding a video introduction:

'Have you seen the Grandmaster's son? I have...

You seem to like all your secrets

How's that working for you?*'

* Medb is quoting Dr. Phil since she watches his show when she is bored, which explains some of her disgust with humanity... thank God she can't get The Jerry Springer Show on the Alfar equivalent of Roku. ;)


Cheers!! :coffee:
The No1 channel in the Elven capital is probably the Human Reality Channel with Jerry Springer, Maury Povich and all the other outstanding TV shows showing the cream of human society. Would explain a lot of hatred.
 
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You are probably right re-Kari. I thought she had an amicable relationship to the Templars. She did tell them about the succubus, seem to be on good terms to me, but perhaps not.
Kari certainly doesn't have a bad relationship with the Templars, but there does seem to be a certain distance to it. Note how quickly Linnae tells the MC to stop pestering Kari despite the brevity of the conversation and the fact Kari was quite engaged in it. It definitely gives me the vibe that Kari and the Templars are co-belligerents more than they are proper allies.

Re-MC's decision to run off, I can only talk from own experience of having my wife and family have a huge secret they kept from me. When i found out I didn't want to see them, talk to them or want them lecturing me on what I should and shouldn't do (They tried). I wanted a good relationship with all of them, but it took some time before I was ready to confide in any of them again. I still wanted a good relationship with them all. I had kids with my wife. I didn't want to break up my family. I certainly didn't want to see her for a while, let alone report my every movement to her. in hindsight I should have the left the lot of them behind and walked away except for my mother. I was niave back then.

Anyway, no hard feelings towards you, we are just approaching it from different places.
Indeed, and I certainly don't mean to imply Kaija has some universal right to berate the MC, much less to throw shade on your own experience. I don't blame you for distrusting her after the whole Templar thing came out, and Kaija has no cause to scold the MC if he told her he needed space from her and his parents; at best she should politely suggest he took an unnecessarily large risk.

But that's why I said it only makes sense for her to lay into the MC if he told her he DIDN'T want space from her.
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Rightly or wrongly, an MC who tells Kaija he wants to be with her is implicitly forgiving her transgressions and saying she's an important part of his life. That's not really compatible with telling her to mind her own business when the MC gets back from his impromptu vacation with a group that just declared war on Kaija. Hence why I feel like she SHOULD give him a piece of her mind when he gets back, because he's giving her very mixed signals.

Since it sounds to me like you would never pick the "No step back" choice when discussing the MC's future with Kaija, this wouldn't be an issue on your playthrough. Feel free to give Kaija the stink eye if she complains about keeping her in the dark. Hopefully the game will give us the opportunity for both approaches depending on our past choices.
 
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Another plot twist could be that Finn died trying to deliver said message but that would be too much drama i guess
He'd been there 3 weeks though (so ok..less Earth time)...can't see that being the reason.
I've cracked it. I'm waiting for the Eagle and the Assassins to roll up. They serve the light by being hidden in the shadows or words to that effect. It's been a while since I played Assassins Creed. The Assassins are starting a war with the elves to exterminate them and save humanity. What do you think? :cool: ;):sneaky:
Certainly possible.
Medb is an Álfar. Given words means a lot for them. At least that's what the story tells us. When Medb says she'll pass the message/phone, it'll happen.
Never said it didn't....only that we didn't see it....
 
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Since creatures are popping up that most thought was gone or are acting out of character. What's the chances that the dark elves are behind all of this.
 

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Since creatures are popping up that most thought was gone or are acting out of character. What's the chances that the dark elves are behind all of this.
a good one, I think, anyway they aren't acting alone for all matters.
I got curious about Fionas Family, to be honest, just hope next update sheds a bit of light into that part of the story
 

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That's not really compatible with telling her to mind her own business when the MC gets back from his impromptu vacation with a group that just declared war on Kaija.
I agree with that take for the L path, just one tiny observation, the Àlfar, did not declare a war, they are just hostile and feel threated by Humans, presence in Neverwhere, which is the hub to other worlds.
 

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good point, we may discuss this one and come to no conclusion, It can be seen as one, still it is not an open war declaration.
Nothing what would justify the Templars, to gather forces, and strike first nor give the Alfar the excuse to kill every human in Neverwhere.
 
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That's kinda implicit in kidnapping someone's top general and demanding they dismantle their defensive forces for his return though.
And how come no one talked about attempted MCs kidnapping?
Alfar say it wasn't them. Templars think it was them...

They are (both) too stuck in their prejudices to stop and talk about that one for a second, and realize someone is pulling strings from behind the curtain.
 

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I agree with that take for the L path, just one tiny observation, the Àlfar, did not declare a war, they are just hostile and feel threated by Humans, presence in Neverwhere, which is the hub to other worlds.
Medb specifically says the MC needs to leave Alfheim the following morning because the Alfar are going to declare war on the Templars and he'll become a prisoner if he stays any longer. I take that to mean that by the time the MC sees Kaija again the war will be on. (Though I'm still unclear what 'war' between these two sides means in a practical sense.)
 

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Medb specifically says the MC needs to leave Alfheim the following morning because the Alfar are going to declare war on the Templars and he'll become a prisoner if he stays any longer. I take that to mean that by the time the MC sees Kaija again the war will be on. (Though I'm still unclear what 'war' between these two sides means in a practical sense.)
Oh that, I didn't register that line, thank's for the heads up !
but still not declared, till nex update we shall see how that plays out, remeber time in Alfheimer runs slowlyer, and MC implicit task is to avoid war, so good plot turn up !
 

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Medb specifically says the MC needs to leave Alfheim the following morning because the Alfar are going to declare war on the Templars and he'll become a prisoner if he stays any longer. I take that to mean that by the time the MC sees Kaija again the war will be on. (Though I'm still unclear what 'war' between these two sides means in a practical sense.)
well they easily can have open conflict in neverwhere, nobody gives a shit. On elvish hometurf they will clearly have an advantage, so it's unlikely the templars would attempt that. Same in reverse, if they want to stir shit up in our world, that would probably mean dealing not just with templars but human authorities as well (Medb explained why this is a really bad idea)
 

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Also a question I haven't seen discussed... are the templars stupid? They should access to the best weapons humans invented, or more (looking at that suit for example). But at most we see a few handguns. And they intend to fight the elves who clearly have an advantage in close quarters with that and fucking swords? Where are them M4s, RPGs? I don't care how "powerful" Mab or Medb is, they won't shake off a well placed shot from a sniper rifle, so I don't know why everyone is so afraid of them. Even equipped with just conventional firearms elves armed with swords and bows would not be a threat at all to humans. So I hope this will be addressed later on, because it really bugs me.
 

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Since creatures are popping up that most thought was gone or are acting out of character. What's the chances that the dark elves are behind all of this.
A very good chance, I have wondered the same thing.

And how come no one talked about attempted MCs kidnapping?
Alfar say it wasn't them. Templars think it was them...

They are (both) too stuck in their prejudices to stop and talk about that one for a second, and realize someone is pulling strings from behind the curtain.
Definitely a good point. I asked myself the same question. The MC has a lot going on, but I'd certainly be looking for answers after my chat with Medb. Whoever is pulling the strings is using Elf/Templar hostility to cover their actions. Is the MC a target still? Was it just to add fuel to fire because his father was kidnapped? Lots o questions to answer.

Also a question I haven't seen discussed... are the templars stupid? They should access to the best weapons humans invented, or more (looking at that suit for example). But at most we see a few handguns. And they intend to fight the elves who clearly have an advantage in close quarters with that and fucking swords? Where are them M4s, RPGs? I don't care how "powerful" Mab or Medb is, they won't shake off a well placed shot from a sniper rifle, so I don't know why everyone is so afraid of them. Even equipped with just conventional firearms elves armed with swords and bows would not be a threat at all to humans. So I hope this will be addressed later on, because it really bugs me.
Yes the Templar's are stupid. Next. Joking.
The Templars could conceivably use drones as well, assuming that get the drones through the gateways in to Alfheim. I don't think all the elves use swords and bows. Ailleal (yeah spelt wrong) said some elves are traditionalists like him while others like more modern weapons and armor like Finn. The big thing for me is, how are a few hundred Templar soldiers going to stop thousands of Alfar? Will the humans of Neverwhere aid them? What does a war against humans mean? Just the Templars? All humans in Neverwhere? All humans everywhere? Hopefully, Ceolag will provide us with a better picture in the chapters ahead.
 
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