VN Ren'Py The Neverwhere Tales [v0.6.0.2] [Ceolag]

[Ceolag]

Hey everyone,

A mediocre week progress-wise lies behind me.
The little one has been ill and at home the whole week and since I had to take care of her it hurt the progress quite a bit.
Given those circumstances, I'm still satisfied with the progress. The first test build is pretty close and I expect to have that ready sometime around next weekend. More on that in the Dev Log next week.

The Steam release discount will run out in about 4 hours which means it has been 2 weeks since the release.
Overall it went pretty well within the frame I hoped for.
Thanks to everybody who helped with the release, bought the game or left a review (they help A LOT with visibility).

I'll keep it short this week because there isn't a lot to talk about, so here are the numbers for this week:
68 new static renders for a total of 170
still 0 animations
150 new lines in the script file for a total of 669

Next week will be hopefully back to normal business in every regard.

Have a nice weekend,
Ceolag

 

[Rehwyn]

If that happens, I'm still going with Fiona's family. Again, they are, so far, the only mentioned 3rd side.

That's not quite true, there's plenty of other 3rd party factions mentioned. The Hellspawn and the Dark Elves, for starters. Wouldn't surprise me at all if they'd allied to take down the Templar and Alfar, and if the dark elves are proficient at illusion magic, it could explain the cloaked Damas that tried to assassinate Medb. But I wouldn't rule out Fiona's family either, since that'd give another narrative tie-in for them. I'm just not sure what their motivation would be, whereas there's a history of the Templar and Alfar allying to fight Hellspawn (and the history of the Dark Elves is unclear).

Speaking of which, it would not surprise me if the same faction killed Finn, since she's Medb's daughter. They may have decided to go after her after they failed with Medb.

On a related note, I suspect Fiona's family comes from the Aos Si (aka the Sidhe). They're essentially the Celtic equivalent of Elves. Could be interesting if she meets Angus/Mac since he's almost certainly one of the Tuatha De Danann, of which the Aos Si are descended.

Edit: As for Angus/Mac's identify, check out

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, aka Macan Óc.

 

[Maviarab]

and the history of the Dark Elves is unclear).

Untrue....there is no history...period. Medb makes this clear...they have been 'out of contact' for millenia.

dit: As for Angus/Mac's identify, check out

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, aka Macan Óc.

https://f95zone.to/threads/the-neverwhere-tales-lore-legends.219419/

 

[Rehwyn]

Untrue....there is no history...period. Medb makes this clear...they have been 'out of contact' for millenia.

Yes, but why? What have they been up to? Were they enemies of the Elves before cutting contact? That's far from clear. There's no reason they couldn't have been manipulating things or plotting from the shadows.

https://f95zone.to/threads/the-neverwhere-tales-lore-legends.219419/

Thanks, haven't looked at that thread and forgot it existed.

 

[Maviarab]

Yes, but why? What have they been up to? That's far from clear. There's no reason they couldn't have been manipulating things from the shadows.

Again, it's not 'far from clear'...it's completely unknown as they are never referenced once except by Medb. Unclear and unknown are very different.

 

[Rehwyn]

Again, it's not 'far from clear'...it's completely unknown as they are never referenced once except by Medb. Unclear and unknown are very different.

Technically, Finn mentioned them first. That's how you knew to bring them up with Medb. And if it's been millennia, even Medb might not know the details of why they closed contact since it'd be before her time.

Regardless, doesn't really matter if it's "unknown" vs "unclear"; that's just arguing semantics. Neither prevents them from potentially being a 3rd faction trying to start a war.

 

[-CookieMonster666-]

That's not quite true, there's plenty of other 3rd party factions mentioned. The Hellspawn and the Dark Elves, for starters. Wouldn't surprise me at all if they'd allied to take down the Templar and Alfir, and if the dark elves are proficient at illusion magic, it could explain the cloaked Damas that tried to against Medb.

Speaking of which, it would not surprise me if the same faction killed Finn, since she's Medb's daughter. They may have decided to go after her after they failed with Medb.

On a related note, I suspect Fiona's family comes from the Aos Si (aka the Sidhe). Could be interesting if she meets Angus/Mac since he's almost certainly one of the Tuatha De Danann, of which the Aos Si are descended.

Yeah, this could get messy really fast. The Templars have a lot of enemies, but I would assume the Álfar also have enemies. They don't for example, know why the Svartálfar have sealed themselves away from everything. It's possible they saw the Templars as an existential threat to them, but it's equally possible it had to do with rivalry with their counterparts. And while I assume they hate every other race, we don't know for sure who the primary initial target of the Hellspawn is. That attack on Medb could have been just as much an actual strike against the Álfar as it was a plot to cause tension with the Templars. There is still a lot to be revealed about this mythos to say with any degree of confidence exactly who all will be involved in the coming conflict.

 

[Maviarab]

Technically, Finn mentioned them first. That's how you knew to bring them up with Medb. And if it's been millennia, even Medb might not know the details of why they closed contact since it'd be before her time.

Regardless, doesn't really matter if it's "unknown" vs "unclear"; that's just arguing semantics. Neither prevents them from potentially being a 3rd faction trying to start a war.

To be pedantic, I will say it again. Unclear and unknown have two very different meanings and connotations. Saying it is unclear suggests (especially to someone new here) that there is information, of which there is not.

As for a third party possibly involved, I think that is very likely yes.

 

[Rehwyn]

To be pedantic, I will say it again. Unclear and unknown have two very different meanings and connotations. Saying it is unclear suggests (especially to someone new here) that there is information, of which there is not.

As for a third party possibly involved, I think that is very likely yes.

To be pedantic, I said:

the history of the Dark Elves is unclear.

It's implied that their "history" includes the whole of it, and not just a part. We know they had contact of some form with the Alfar in the past. We know they closed off their realm millennia ago for reasons unspecified. We know there hasn't been open contact with the Alfar since then. At least, if we take Finn and Medb at their word, and trust they're knowledgeable about it.

So we do, in fact, know some things about their history, even if the bulk of the last few millennia is unknown.

 

[Wolfram99]

They may have decided to go after her after they failed with Medb.

Probably not entirely correct, since the plot progresses almost the same way if you kill Finn.

My joke take on Finn's death is that after the sex with MC, she figured out that what she did is probably considered Bestiality in Elven culture(a sexual encounter with other "species")
So she decided to end herself before she could tarnish her/her moms social standing

 

[ename144]

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Hey everyone,

A mediocre week progress-wise lies behind me.
The little one has been ill and at home the whole week and since I had to take care of her it hurt the progress quite a bit.
Given those circumstances, I'm still satisfied with the progress. The first test build is pretty close and I expect to have that ready sometime around next weekend. More on that in the Dev Log next week.

The Steam release discount will run out in about 4 hours which means it has been 2 weeks since the release.
Overall it went pretty well within the frame I hoped for.
Thanks to everybody who helped with the release, bought the game or left a review (they help A LOT with visibility).

I'll keep it short this week because there isn't a lot to talk about, so here are the numbers for this week:
68 new static renders for a total of 170
still 0 animations
150 new lines in the script file for a total of 669

Next week will be hopefully back to normal business in every regard.

Have a nice weekend,
Ceolag

Let's see, Ceolag gave us the weekly numbers. By my math he's now averaging roughly 28.3 static renders, 0.0 animations and 112 lines per week since work on Chapter 6 began. Here are the charts:

Spoiler: Charts - Week 6

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Still off to a slow start, but this is a marathon not a sprint so there's plenty of time to even out. (I hope the little one feels better!)

In the meantime, it seems like the MC is getting quite the escort home. I really hope we'll finally get some answers on why the Templars have been so interested in him. Sure, he's the son of the Grand Master, but he's not actually a Templar himself - and indeed he's deliberately been kept far from the order prior to this. Given the rampant dysfunction within the Templar council it's surprising they not only spilled the beans but even invited the MC to listen in on the council's deliberations. Now he gets a full escort back; is the Grand Master freely able to use Templar resources for personal reasons, or is there more to it than simple kinship?

There are all sorts of potential explanations for this, but it would be really nice if the MC finally showed some curiosity towards the Templars' agenda.

 

[Rehwyn]

Probably not entirely correct, since the plot progresses almost the same way if you kill Finn.

Yeah, I had this thought as well. From a dev standpoint, having both death methods have similar results does make the most sense in having limited story divergence. If they wanted, they could make that a significant branch though, even more than it already is in. I don't think it's super likely, but mentioned it's a possibility that could make sense.

 

[Wolfram99]

Yeah, I had this thought as well. From a dev standpoint, having both death methods have similar results does make the most sense in having limited story divergence. If they wanted, they could make that a significant branch though, even more than it already is in. I don't think it's super likely, but mentioned it's a possibility that could make sense.

From Ceolag's description, this will be a purely linear story. The choices merely add flavour to the path.
I asked the Dev if there will be bad endings, like choose all the bad things, fuck templars, fuck family, kick Orla, etc. . And the dev replied that he hasn't thought of having early game over's.

 

[Grumpy Old Aussie]

From Ceolag's description, this will be a purely linear story. The choices merely add flavour to the path.
I asked the Dev if there will be bad endings, like choose all the bad things, fuck templars, fuck family, kick Orla, etc. . And the dev replied that he hasn't thought of having early game over's.

As long as the story is good I'm fine with linear stories. I would imagine there is at least 5 endings, the 4 LIs and a solo choice. I'll be playing them all in this one. I don't know if an early death ending would really add to the story. What could be interesting is the MC walking away and tell everyone to go fuck themselves and what happens in the game world without the MCs involvement. That could be interesting.

 

[Wolfram99]

As long as the story is good I'm fine with linear stories. I would imagine there is at least 5 endings, the 4 LIs and a solo choice. I'll be playing them all in this one. I don't know if an early death ending would really add to the story. What could be interesting is the MC walking away and tell everyone to go fuck themselves and what happens in the game world without the MCs involvement. That could be interesting.

Having a good epilogue with a specific LI would be a great way to end the game, smth like Fetish locator where each girl gets a very specific epilogue is awesome.
The ending where Bad Guy™ gets arrested and you get a sex scene with LI, and then Fin, is the most banal there can be.
Or the ending may be "Everythings will be fine" style and everyone is gone

 

[HornyyPussy]

and then Fin

Wouldn't that be Necrophilia?

 

[Wolfram99]

Wouldn't that be Necrophilia?

Idk what could be even done to a burned corpse, apart from consuming it, then its just Cannibalism.


I have a sneaking suspicion that Medb as LI is a ploy, by the end of game all you are going to get is a friendship bracelet and some kind words.

 

[e6mill]

Wouldn't that be Necrophilia?

Not if you're dead too...

 

[HornyyPussy]

Not if you're dead too...

Now that would be a weird epilogue.........

 

[Ceolag]

Maybe to clear things up a little:
The main story will have a set ending. Your choices influence how to get there (the Chapter 5 decision for example) and the ending itself to some degree. For example: If I blow up Earth at the end of the game, your choices will influence if you can save 100% of the Humans and all fly to Alpha Centauri, 50%, or none. But Earth will be gone anyway.

The LI paths will all have a separate epilogue, some even more than one, depending on your decisions.

At least, that's the plan for now. That might change a little in the future depending on how development goes etc.