Templars in all likelihood didn't kill Finn though, it's a 3rd party pitting the two sides against each other. Also if you go down that path you won't get a good outcome, remember the conversation with Nimue and Medb.
Until someone shows me evidence that the Templars were uninvolved it doesn't change much. (I don't even care if the Templars did it accidentally, or because they got false information, or because they were under a spell - I'll still take the head of whoever did it.) And there is no way that I help or join or work with the Templars. I have a few RP with some of them but they have about -20 with me. The only way they get to zero is if the entire council resigns and departs the organization, MC's parents leave the organization, Kajia leaves the organization and I get the head of whoever killed Finn (regardless of their motive) ... then maybe I'll listen to what they have to say. It still doesn't mean I'd join them or help them but I'd sit down with one of them on neutral ground and listen. Other than that, I'll consider any outcome where the Templars are wiped out a good outcome. Unless something changes, I'll assist the Hellspawn and/or the Neverwhere cartels before I'll help the Templars. After everything that happened with Kajia etc - I found the best Li in the game, and they killed her. I'm not in a mood to be reasonable or diplomatic. Like I said, I don't know what Ceo is planning but if he didn't want MC to have an absolute hate on for the Templars, he overdid it by having them kill Finn.
I don't know about Kajia's family and them being pushed together from the start. It's possible - it wouldn't change how I feel about it though. If Fiona put MC with the Templars on purpose, that part makes sense. I think she felt ill equipped to raise a child on her own and, to an extent, like she was still in danger from her family - and so wanted to hide the child (hiding him with the Templars is probably a safe bet.) Worth remembering that she was not at all surprised by Templars and elves. I'm pretty sure she isn't human, and that she is much older than she looks. As I said yesterday - she says that she left Ireland "many years ago" but won't be specific and that she has many dark things in her past that she's not ready to talk about. But she looks to be in her early to mid 20s so ... when exactly did she do all these dark and terrible things? As a child?I know I am 99.99% wrong but what if the boy Fiona saved was MC. She let some family adopt the boy while he was 2, so MC would not remember that any way. Also, if MC is not a human, it would make sense if she entrusted him to someone from Templars because they are aware of other races. Maybe she asked help and MC's parents took a notice he was important so they decided to adopt him and raise him as their own. Also, if Kaija's family somehow important in the Templars like generations of guards, it make sense they made sure Kaija becoming his guard. As far as we know, Kaija's training started around she met MC, so maybe she is purposefully trained to protect MC. I think that also make sense because when you put 2 kids together they would become friends. After that, I believe they hoped they fell for each other and maybe, without MC's or Kaija's knowledge, they were grooming MC for the grandmaster role while Kaija stand right next to him. We know MC's father was training him while not revealing what was his training for. Even Kaija mentioned you do know how to fight to MC. Also MC excelled whenever needed. On top of that, he picked up sword fighting rather quickly. I don't think none of it could happen without a foundation beforehand. It looks like they are still hiding secrets from MC and if it's about MC's past, it's not easy to reveal such a thing. Mainly, it lifts MC's protection. When you think about it, after learning about Neverwhere he found himself at there almost immediately. Maybe they are believing MC to be the chosen one, the one who would bring peace to Neverwhere. If so, not telling MC's past, Neverwhere etc. is not for protecting MC by keeping him in the dark but hiding him from harms way like Harry Potter or Anakin or any other chosen one genre. We still don't know why or who attacked MC. It was clear elves did not do it. Maybe third party is not a race but a group that trying to prevent the chosen one for protecting status quo because time and time it's been mentioned there are many profiting from the Neverwhere's chaotic nature. Peace would be bad for business.
If so, we really can't blame Kaija or the parents or Fiona like we can't blame Kenobi or Dumbledore. Now, the third party either figured it out MC is the chosen one or they took desperate measures to prevent Templar's plan so they took a leap of faith by attacking. If this is true, there must be members of third party in Templar ranks as well as alfar. Sending Fin to a mission where she will die is an exactly the type of a thing a inside man would do. It really caused MC's exile and any means of peace. I think there are some hints and clues that this is a possibility. It fits like a glove to chosen one Trope. An orphan saved, adopted, trained then become the savior of the world.
What do you guys think? I think it needs tweaking here and there but it sounds like a legit theory. My only problem with that, that Ceolag's writing is too unique to fit to a Trope that used rather quite frequently.
My interpretation of Mab's comment of "Wated potential" towards the sister would imply that the Callisters have special blood(atleast MC n Sis), so the MC being a foster kid does not work well. Although it could open up the LI path with Jessica
Or neither of them are the Callister's children. (Mab was definitely talking Jessica but we have no idea what she meant.) We haven't seen anything or heard anything that implies that the Callister's have any special powers and they've been with the Templars long enough that such powers would have shown up, and probably would have been mentioned by someone during all those talks.My interpretation of Mab's comment of "Wated potential" towards the sister would imply that the Callisters have special blood(atleast MC n Sis), so the MC being a foster kid does not work well. Although it could open up the LI path with Jessica
This was mentioned long ago, and while possible, here's counter-question: Why did she enter his life now?
Still disagree on statement about blame.
Kaija is by far the worst protection detail anyway, she is off doing whatever all the time, how the fuck is she any sort of bodyguard?
Not you to...........Kaija is by far the worst protection detail anyway, she is off doing whatever all the time, how the fuck is she any sort of bodyguard?
oh I'm very open about my feelings on the Kaija topicNot you to...........
don't worry they aren't allowed in our Kaija fan club where we have cookies , blackjack and hookers among other things they would get jealous of.Not you to...........
A few pages back, we had a brief discussion about this and I had the theory that the boy Fiona saved isn't MC, but his father. Relevant quote below.I know I am 99.99% wrong but what if the boy Fiona saved was MC. She let some family adopt the boy while he was 2, so MC would not remember that any way. Also, if MC is not a human, it would make sense if she entrusted him to someone from Templars because they are aware of other races. Maybe she asked help and MC's parents took a notice he was important so they decided to adopt him and raise him as their own. Also, if Kaija's family somehow important in the Templars like generations of guards, it make sense they made sure Kaija becoming his guard. As far as we know, Kaija's training started around she met MC, so maybe she is purposefully trained to protect MC. I think that also make sense because when you put 2 kids together they would become friends. After that, I believe they hoped they fell for each other and maybe, without MC's or Kaija's knowledge, they were grooming MC for the grandmaster role while Kaija stand right next to him. We know MC's father was training him while not revealing what was his training for. Even Kaija mentioned you do know how to fight to MC. Also MC excelled whenever needed. On top of that, he picked up sword fighting rather quickly. I don't think none of it could happen without a foundation beforehand. It looks like they are still hiding secrets from MC and if it's about MC's past, it's not easy to reveal such a thing. Mainly, it lifts MC's protection. When you think about it, after learning about Neverwhere he found himself at there almost immediately. Maybe they are believing MC to be the chosen one, the one who would bring peace to Neverwhere. If so, not telling MC's past, Neverwhere etc. is not for protecting MC by keeping him in the dark but hiding him from harms way like Harry Potter or Anakin or any other chosen one genre. We still don't know why or who attacked MC. It was clear elves did not do it. Maybe third party is not a race but a group that trying to prevent the chosen one for protecting status quo because time and time it's been mentioned there are many profiting from the Neverwhere's chaotic nature. Peace would be bad for business.
If so, we really can't blame Kaija or the parents or Fiona like we can't blame Kenobi or Dumbledore. Now, the third party either figured it out MC is the chosen one or they took desperate measures to prevent Templar's plan so they took a leap of faith by attacking. If this is true, there must be members of third party in Templar ranks as well as alfar. Sending Fin to a mission where she will die is an exactly the type of a thing a inside man would do. It really caused MC's exile and any means of peace. I think there are some hints and clues that this is a possibility. It fits like a glove to chosen one Trope. An orphan saved, adopted, trained then become the savior of the world.
What do you guys think? I think it needs tweaking here and there but it sounds like a legit theory. My only problem with that, that Ceolag's writing is too unique to fit to a Trope that used rather quite frequently.
The more I think about it, the better I like it as a plausible theory.True, but we've only recently seen any indication that MC has anything unusual either, and largely by chance.
But it did give me another thought. What do we know about MC's father's childhood and parentage? (Genuinely asking; can't remember details and at work)
If Fiona is what I think she is, I suspect the conflict she mentioned might be The Troubles. The location would be right, and the timing of that conflict (1960s to 1990s) could potentially put the boy at MC's father's age and result in both siblings being unusual.
Plus, how poetic would it be if the Grandmaster of the Templars was secretly and possibly unknowingly not entirely human.
Definitely a stretch, and there might be some conflicting info that I'm not remembering, but I think it's an interesting idea.
That's kinda what I'm talking about. If MC's parents had been honest, instead of actively trying to get him killed, the whole Kajia situation could have been fixed. The moment she becomes MC's GF, she has a big target on her back too - like putting a flashing light about MC's apartment that says "Undefended Templar Assetts". MC could have gone to his parents and/or the council and said "We're a team now, like it or not. If she goes somewhere I go with her and vice versa."Kaija is by far the worst protection detail anyway, she is off doing whatever all the time, how the fuck is she any sort of bodyguard?
Hope not. I like Fionna, If the child is MC's father, she might be sad when I kill him.
