VN Ren'Py The Neverwhere Tales [v0.6.0.2] [Ceolag]

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TrixRabbit

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I want to talk to the Templars. I'm not hostile towards them, I simply don't trust them. I want to know what they have to say about what happened. I have no doubt they'll try to spin a story for me, but given the smartphone message, I want to know if the Alfar are lying to me or not.
That should be a choice then, not automatic because I have no desire to talk to them - unless I'm gathering intel for Medb. For me it would be weird if MC just walked in and started chatting because I'm very hostile toward them. I basically wanted nothing to do with them ever again before I went to see the elves and now they killed Finn (and I do believe that they killed Finn.)
 

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That should be a choice then, not automatic because I have no desire to talk to them - unless I'm gathering intel for Medb. For me it would be weird if MC just walked in and started chatting because I'm very hostile toward them. I basically wanted nothing to do with them ever again before I went to see the elves and now they killed Finn (and I do believe that they killed Finn.)
Sometimes you have to do things you don't like to accomplish a goal.
 

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Humans need protectors too. The problem is not the Templars mission, the problem is that the Templars are run by idiots or traitors.
Hmm the problem for me is that for them to survive they'd have to be rebuilt completely with zero of the current members. So maybe if I get the chance to kill them all (or let them die in battle or whatever) and then I have the option to rebuild the Templars completely with some help from Kari, Medb and Fiona I'll think about it.
 

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Hmm the problem for me is that for them to survive they'd have to be rebuilt completely with zero of the current members. So maybe if I get the chance to kill them all (or let them die in battle or whatever) and then I have the option to rebuild the Templars completely with some help from Kari, Medb and Fiona I'll think about it.
We have too little information about the organization as a whole for that. Are you telling me that you believe that every single Templar in existance is corrupted and evil?
 

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Hmm the problem for me is that for them to survive they'd have to be rebuilt completely with zero of the current members. So maybe if I get the chance to kill them all (or let them die in battle or whatever) and then I have the option to rebuild the Templars completely with some help from Kari, Medb and Fiona I'll think about it.
I joke about killing the Templars but that is way to harsh for me. Get rid of the leadership in a peaceful way if I can first but I really wouldn't touch anyone not apart of the leadership. Even then I'm not sure if I would. I dislike the Tempars sure but I really don't know enough about them and their role in the conflict to get rid of them. I may like the Elfs more cause im biased as hell towards them but I don't feel I know enough about both sides to make a decision if it came down to it.
 
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Well, I see it like this: In relation to post #1 in the overview it says:

Quote: How you deal with this new situation, this new world, who you trust or not... that is up to you.

Our MC was involuntarily confronted with a truth that was kept from him his entire life.

Everyone has to decide for themselves how they evaluate certain statements or actions and who they trust and who they don't.

For my part, I stay in the "golden mean" and don't take sides, because there are good and bad people on both sides.
 

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We have too little information about the organization as a whole for that. Are you telling me that you believe that every single Templar in existance is corrupted and evil?
Every single one I've met for sure - or if they aren't they've become too accepting of the corruption and evil that have become the core of the organization. Even if they don't all die, they can't be a part of the new organization. At least not if I'm doing it - but all of the ones I've met definitely need to go. I wouldn't spare any of them. And I have no interest in being a mediator.
 
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As it is Thanksgiving here just wanted to thank ya Ceolag as well your game has been a constant source of enjoyment so am sending messages of regards to all Devs who made games like that possible, which included this fantastic title too. So yea once again gratitude for your effort!

Thanks for reading Dev, best wishes for ahead:)
 

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Every single one I've met for sure - or if they aren't they've become too accepting of the corruption and evil that have become the core of the organization. Even if they don't all die, they can't be a part of the new organization. At least not if I'm doing it - but all of the ones I've met definitely need to go. I wouldn't spare any of them. And I have no interest in being a mediator.
You and I have very, very different definitions of 'evil', and I have NO IDEA how you could see Kat as evil in any way. That doesn't make any sense to me whatsoever.
 

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Honestly the only Templar besides the mother and father I do not trust is the bald guy on the council. i'm undecided on the rest I'm cautious of the rest.
 

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You and I have very, very different definitions of 'evil', and I have NO IDEA how you could see Kat as evil in any way. That doesn't make any sense to me whatsoever.
Evil may be the wrong word. She lied to MC, with a straight face, probably all the way back to their childhood "friendship" (she must have already been in training by then). She lied about everything, every day and showed almost no remorse when he finally found out. She is a tool, a machine - incapable of honest thought or emotion.

At any rate, there is not one of them I'd spare if I had them in the same position Finn was in after the duel, and I'll do nothing to help any of them (if we're given a choice).
 

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Evil may be the wrong word. She lied to MC, with a straight face, probably all the way back to their childhood "friendship" (she must have already been in training by then). She lied about everything, every day and showed almost no remorse when he finally found out. She is a tool, a machine - incapable of honest thought or emotion.

At any rate, there is not one of them I'd spare if I had them in the same position Finn was in after the duel, and I'll do nothing to help any of them (if we're given a choice).
I will give you calculated and full of conviction. She's a protector, but they got to her early and convinced her this is the only way. The MC confronting her may make her start to see how entrenched their thinking is.

It'd take a lot more than that for me to want to kill her for trying to protect humans from the very real threats out there.
 

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I will give you calculated and full of conviction. She's a protector, but they got to her early and convinced her this is the only way. The MC confronting her may make her start to see how entrenched their thinking is.

It'd take a lot more than that for me to want to kill her for trying to protect humans from the very real threats out there.
I’m not completely blind to the systemic child abuse that created her but I think she’s irredeemable now and I don’t expect to be Albert to destroy the Templars and kill most of them without having to deal with Kajia.
 

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I’m not completely blind to the systemic child abuse that created her but I think she’s irredeemable now and I don’t expect to be Albert to destroy the Templars and kill most of them without having to deal with Kajia.
I think Killing most of them is still too extreme I get you hate them with a passion. Only one id kill is the bald guy and id consider the rest of the leadership so they don't start an uprising over the new leadership. But id probably let the rest live as they haven't proven to me as far as I can recall needing to be dealt with like the bald guy.
 

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I’m not completely blind to the systemic child abuse that created her but I think she’s irredeemable now and I don’t expect to be Albert to destroy the Templars and kill most of them without having to deal with Kajia.
'I like protecting people and have never been shown another way until the MC confronted me, therefore I cannot be changed!'

What the fuck kind of logic is that?
 
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'I like protecting people and have never been shown another way until the MC confronted me, therefore I cannot be changed!'

What the fuck kind of logic is that?
Well, she'd better change pretty f'in quick then because I'm ready to blow up the Templars now. If I go back and she greets me and swears that she is done with the Templars forever, and ready to help me take them down, I'll be suspicious but I'll listen but that's about what it will take. Our entire relationship until now has been one massive betrayal on her part so if she wants to change course, it's on her to do it. I owe her nothing.
 
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