VN Ren'Py The Neverwhere Tales [v0.6.0.2] [Ceolag]

[Elduriel]

I would argue that if you are paying attention, it's not overly difficult to figure out (providng you actually saw the scene, which is far easier to trigger now than it was when Ch5 first released).

if we put this up to a poll you'd realize how wrong you are, majority of players don't play that kind of attention to details like that, especially when those details aren't in english

 

[Dessolos]

if we put this up to a poll you'd realize how wrong you are, majority of players don't play that kind of attention to details like that, especially when those details aren't in english

yeah without seeing what the meaning of X word is id probably never figure out even if im given clues. Even if I am told what it means if I only saw it one time when there is alot of story going easy to overlook something like that at least it was for me.

 

[Rehwyn]

it doesn't really, at least not directly from the in-game language, unless you tried to to memorize all alfar words, then some of what being said makes sense, but honestly I'm too lazy to learn a fictional language. The script does have the translation, but your average player won't look at that.

I admittedly spent way more time than most would trying to figure out their language. I was able to figure out "Farewell, my ??? daughter" from previous info and context, but did have to look up the last word since it's not used anywhere else.

 

[Maviarab]

if we put this up to a poll you'd realize how wrong you are, majority of players don't play that kind of attention to details like that, especially when those details aren't in english

Then I would advise people to pay more attention then, given Medb explains what ainu means to the MC earlier in the story You are correct though, I'm perhaps (stupidly I guess) giving the average AVN 'player' far too much credit.

yeah without seeing what the meaning of X word is id probably never figure out even if im given clues. Even if I am told what it means if I only saw it one time when there is alot of story going easy to overlook something like that at least it was for me.

To both (and everyone else?)...the exact same sentence is used for her father....

Now unless you were really not paying attention, you cannot miss Ailill is her father nor that Medb explains what ainu means earlier...so why would Mab say the exact same sentence for Medb aswell?....*shrugs*

 

[Jack Nippleson]

I didn't want to completely spoon feed people...may as well play it for them at that point.

 

[Dessolos]

Then I would advise people to pay more attention then, given Medb explains what ainu means to the MC earlier in the story You are correct though, I'm perhaps (stupidly I guess) giving the average AVN 'player' far too much credit.


To both (and everyone else?)...the exact same sentence is used for her father....

Now unless you were really not paying attention, you cannot miss Ailill is her father nor that Medb explains what ainu means earlier...so why would Mab say the exact same sentence for Medb aswell?....*shrugs*

Honestly if it was explained then I probably 100% missed putting 2 and 2 together because of Fin getting killed. As at that point I was thinking of the story of everything and not the meaning behind Elven words. Like I saw she said some words but I didn't even think for a moment what they meant. I was like okay cool some words in another language, was probably there to show their culture a bit more and probably meant farewell or goodbye and looks alot better to use their language in that moment.

 

[Rehwyn]

Then I would advise people to pay more attention then, given Medb explains what ainu means to the MC earlier in the story You are correct though, I'm perhaps (stupidly I guess) giving the average AVN 'player' far too much credit.


To both (and everyone else?)...the exact same sentence is used for her father....

Now unless you were really not paying attention, you cannot miss Ailill is her father nor that Medb explains what ainu means earlier...so why would Mab say the exact same sentence for Medb aswell?....*shrugs*

Technically, Ailill doesn't say the line I quoted, just Medb. However, Mab says both "Ainu hen Ailill" and "Ainu hen Mebd" earlier in the ceremony, which is major clue #1.

In the line I quoted though, we were previously told 3 of the 4 words if you explore all dialogue options. Finn teaches us "namaari" is "goodbye" and "min ebra" is "my friend". Medb teaches us that "ainu" is "daughter".

 

[Maviarab]

Medb teaches us that "ainu" is "daughter".

She also confirms that Adar is father when the MC questions this...

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As you say, all the clues are there.

 

[Teal80]

So here is my controversial take after 30 seconds of thought late at night with a beer in hand:

It seems to me that the Templars are a waste of space and time. They are not really protecting the Earth from anything.

From discussions with the Alfar, it is clear that they cannot win against the Templars due to the threat of human (non-Templar) retaliation. It is also clear that whoever wants to get rid of the Alfar is not capable of taking the Alfar on in a head-on fight and needs the Templars to weaken them.

Therefore, this mysterious third party is also too weak to seriously threaten the Earth, and no other factions shown so far are capable of being a realistic threat.

Templars exist for the sake of existing. Their archaic rituals and (a)moral stance serves nothing but their own egos.
This makes much of the plot rather pointless. The MC is not going to save the world. At best, he could save the Templars and/or Alfar, which some may consider a suboptimal outcome.
Given what's been said in the Q&A, the MC is not going to be pivotal in the outcome anyway.

I'm still going to enjoy the journey.

 

[curlyjoe]

Providing you attained enough [Medb LP] then she invites you to the funeral...all becomes clear there...

To expand in this, at the funeral, Medb says, "Namaari, min ethiram ainu," which translates to "Farewell, my beloved daughter."

Thanks to both of you. I did attend the funeral but didn't understand any of the elvish spoken there or know how to translate it. I never thought of looking back through saves for the few words of elvish the mc had been taught in lessons then trying to piece the funeral service together from those. Either I'm displaying the lack of intellect of an avn gamer or was grieving the loss of the person who I thought had the best character arc in chapter 5.

 

[Pixillin']

I admittedly spent way more time than most would trying to figure out their language. I was able to figure out "Farewell, my ??? daughter" from previous info and context, but did have to look up the last word since it's not used anywhere else.

I didn't get it either initially - someone explained it to me. The English translation should really be added in parenthesis or something because not many are going to figure it out on their own.

 

[Pixillin']

So here is my controversial take after 30 seconds of thought late at night with a beer in hand:

It seems to me that the Templars are a waste of space and time. They are not really protecting the Earth from anything.

From discussions with the Alfar, it is clear that they cannot win against the Templars due to the threat of human (non-Templar) retaliation. It is also clear that whoever wants to get rid of the Alfar is not capable of taking the Alfar on in a head-on fight and needs the Templars to weaken them.

Therefore, this mysterious third party is also too weak to seriously threaten the Earth, and no other factions shown so far are capable of being a realistic threat.

Templars exist for the sake of existing. Their archaic rituals and (a)moral stance serves nothing but their own egos.
This makes much of the plot rather pointless. The MC is not going to save the world. At best, he could save the Templars and/or Alfar, which some may consider a suboptimal outcome.
Given what's been said in the Q&A, the MC is not going to be pivotal in the outcome anyway.

I'm still going to enjoy the journey.

I concur, mostly, except you are way more fond of the Templars than I am. To me the greatest threat to humanity is the Templars. If Ceo did an Acting Lessons and you could only save one, I'd make sure Jess wasn't there and then maybe snag a nice coffee mug on my way out.

 

[ename144]

It will be hard to find a Li in this that I like more than Finn.

Fear not, I'm sure there will be plenty more hotheads eager to kill the MC. Some of them are bound to be cute, too.

You mean the kind of naive simpleton who is lied to and manipulated by his parents and fake girlfriend for his entire life by then sticks with them because the fake girlfriend has a nice ass? The kind of naive simpleton who is cool with his parents painting a target on his back and then giving him a "bodyguard" who is never around, because he thinks it might get him laid? That kind of naive simpleton?

To try to be fair to the MC's parents (shudder), it's not entirely clear how much of a target the MC actually had on his back. He made it into early adulthood without any major incidents, and appears to have been off the Alfar's radar until he went to Neverwhere. Jessica, meanwhile, still seems to be safe even after the latest revelations.

There are still a lot of unknowns, of course, but at the moment it seems like the danger to the MC is a fairly recent development, likely the "third party" that's trying to provoke a war. I'm not sure how much blame the MC's parents should bear for failing to anticipate a future threat; it really depends on details we just don't know yet.

Besides, there's plenty of stuff we already know they can be blamed for; no need to jump the gun looking for additional grievances.

I'd like to see another Li who is some kind of reporter / journalist. One of my problems with the Templars isn't even what they did to MC, or Kajia, or even Finn (though all of that is still there). It's that they ... this secret order of a few hundred people ... have decided that humanity doesn't need to know about magic and all of the other creatures they share a planet with because people "couldn't handle it" or whatever. They openly admit that they can't save everyone who is attacked but still don't think that people should know about the threat(s) - even though going public would probably increase recruitment (not necessarily in the Templars but there would be more people willing to fight back against the threats). I don't think the Templars (who nobody f'in elected or appointed) get to make that call all by themselves.

Why is it solely the Templars' responsibility to inform the public about Neverwhere? Why them and not, say, Fiona (and her family), or Kari and the other valkyries? Kaija explicitly says people who call attention to Neverwhere - Templars included - paint a huge target on their back.

Obviously Kaija could be lying, but if she isn't then the decision not to spill the beans might be justified. It would depend on who is enforcing the masquerade, their reasons for doing so, and what means they have available to prevent leaks.

 

[Wolfram99]

Fear not, I'm sure there will be plenty more hotheads eager to kill the MC.

But all of them will be side broads, unless the main 4 decide to "retire" the MC early

 

[Elduriel]

Then I would advise people to pay more attention then, given Medb explains what ainu means to the MC earlier in the story You are correct though, I'm perhaps (stupidly I guess) giving the average AVN 'player' far too much credit.

even then, just the word daughter without further context in a sentence could mean any number of things. Here: "She was a wonderful daughter and her parents will miss her very much"... if all you understood was daughter from that, it doesn't automatically makes Finn her daughter.

 

[Maviarab]

even then, just the word daughter without further context in a sentence could mean any number of things. Here: "She was a wonderful daughter and her parents will miss her very much"... if all you understood was daughter from that, it doesn't automatically makes Finn her daughter.

As we get along Eld and I like you...it's probably better to agree to disagree and not end up offending each other should we continue with this.

So moving on, let's get back to bashing the Stathanator and Kaija

 

[HornyyPussy]

So moving on, let's get back to bashing the Stathanator and Kaija

All 'yall need Jesus.........

 

[Maviarab]

All 'yall need Jesus.........
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Be careful who's name you say willy-nilly....remember what Kaija said in Neverwhere?

 

[HornyyPussy]

Be careful who's name you say willy-nilly....remember what Kaija said in Neverwhere?

Stathanator?

 

[Dark Silence]

Be careful who's name you say willy-nilly....remember what Kaija said in Neverwhere?

How can HornyyPussy remember what she or any of them said? He sees boobs and ass and any dialogue disappears from the equation.