VN Ren'Py The Neverwhere Tales [v0.6.0.2] [Ceolag]

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tslojr said:
Ah, yes. That huge lie that basically just amounted to "I blame the Templars for getting my brother killed." The one that was completely cleared up in a few sentences in one scene. Totally comparable to "Hey, I know we've been in a relationship for a while, but I'm really just a member of a secret organization that was assigned to bodyguard you and told to start a romantic relationship with you. Oh, yeah, I knew about that secret organization for our entire friendship before starting that relationship with you, and knew your dad was in charge of it and your mother was a high ranking member before retiring. But I'm totally being 100% honest now. Scout's honor!"

What's that old saying again? "Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice..." Shit, I can never remember the end of that quote.
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"Shame on me" ;)
 
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tslojr said:
Ah, yes. That huge lie that basically just amounted to "I blame the Templars for getting my brother killed." The one that was completely cleared up in a few sentences in one scene. Totally comparable to "Hey, I know we've been in a relationship for a while, but I'm really just a member of a secret organization that was assigned to bodyguard you and told to start a romantic relationship with you. Oh, yeah, I knew about that secret organization for our entire friendship before starting that relationship with you, and knew your dad was in charge of it and your mother was a high ranking member before retiring. But I'm totally being 100% honest now. Scout's honor!"

What's that old saying again? "Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice..." Shit, I can never remember the end of that quote.
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The matter is that Medb is not this reliable source, even the information she had about the MC's sword was incorrect
 
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Niuul said:
I'd hate them via proxy from his parents lying to him all those years. Although I guess the MCs hate is more towards the parents (if you go full emotional in the conversation at the house with them).
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I did the full blow up with the parents - burned bridges - dumped Kajia had as little to do with the Templars as I could get away with and don't even acknowledge their existence or the work they do as a positive thing. I think humanity would be better off it it knew about the threats and challenges - I also think humanity would be more successful in fighting them off if they were aware. I think recruitment to go fight monsters would outpace any regular military recruitment and it wouldn't be just a few hundred templars scattered around the world. I think the organization is incompetent at its core, and that what MC's parents and Kajia did was not only deceitful but stupid (it put MC and his sister in greater danger rather than make them safer). So yeah, zero love or respect for the Templars even when I set off to meet the Alfir. Finn's murder is just the icing on the cake.
 
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e6mill said:
I find Fiona quite intriguing. She's my current candidate for 2nd place LI. But you can't yet (afaik) pursue her far enough to get any answers out of her...
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Of the women we've met so far, for me, only Fiona and Kate are still in the running.
 
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Pixillin' said:
There have been hints of that, but MC doesn't actually know anything about it. It all depends on the choices you've made, the paths you've taken and how you feel about things so far. Based on my reactions to things, I came in not liking the Templars and I know that some of them really hate the Alfar, so I'm inclined to believe Medb - who has made a MUCH more positive impression than the Templars. If I'm playing as the MC there is no part of me that doubts for a second that the Templars would kill Finn, and I have no other suspects. I'm definitely not going back to the city as Neutral toward the Templars - I despised them when I left the city, before I'd met Finn.
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I will never understand how Medb makes a stronger impression than the Templars. She seems every bit as dogmatic, racist, and manipulative as they are, with worse manners to boot. Sure, she didn't scheme to seduce him with one of her minions (that we know of!), but that has more to do with opportunity than it does with temperament.

Normally I'd joke that her shapely curves must be skewering everyone's judgement, but I can't even do that since the Templars have at least as many curves on their side as the Alfar - even more so now that Finnabair is gone. :(


tslojr said:
Ah, yes. That huge lie that basically just amounted to "I blame the Templars for getting my brother killed." The one that was completely cleared up in a few sentences in one scene. Totally comparable to "Hey, I know we've been in a relationship for a while, but I'm really just a member of a secret organization that was assigned to bodyguard you and told to start a romantic relationship with you. Oh, yeah, I knew about that secret organization for our entire friendship before starting that relationship with you, and knew your dad was in charge of it and your mother was a high ranking member before retiring. But I'm totally being 100% honest now. Scout's honor!"

What's that old saying again? "Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice..." Shit, I can never remember the end of that quote.
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"... you can't get fooled again!" ;)

But as others have said, the issue isn't Medb's honesty, it's her judgement. She considers the MC a Templar when he gets challenged to a duel, and no doubt would consider it a Templar hit job if had the MC chosen to kill Finnabair in duel Medb herself forced him to fight! You'll forgive me if I dismiss her blaming Finnabair's death on the Templars as little more than a reflex action until I hear some actual details.


Pixillin' said:
I did the full blow up with the parents - burned bridges - dumped Kajia had as little to do with the Templars as I could get away with and don't even acknowledge their existence or the work they do as a positive thing. I think humanity would be better off it it knew about the threats and challenges - I also think humanity would be more successful in fighting them off if they were aware. I think recruitment to go fight monsters would outpace any regular military recruitment and it wouldn't be just a few hundred templars scattered around the world. I think the organization is incompetent at its core, and that what MC's parents and Kajia did was not only deceitful but stupid (it put MC and his sister in greater danger rather than make them safer). So yeah, zero love or respect for the Templars even when I set off to meet the Alfir. Finn's murder is just the icing on the cake.
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It's hard to argue humanity would be worse off without the Templars given what we've seen so far. That said, it's important to note that they may not be the ones keeping Neverwhere (et al) a secret from humanity at large. Kaija clearly states that the Templars have to make sure to keep a low profile lest they be eliminated themselves, which wouldn't make any sense if they were are the ones enforcing the masquerade.

Obviously it's possible Kaija is lying, but I consider that unlikely and there's certainly no evidence to dispute her take at the moment. I'd also note that Kari seems to be under orders not to disclose certain secrets herself, and based on what we know she definitely doesn't answer to the Templars. To me, it's pretty clear the 'politics' of the masquerade are a lot more complex than just the Templar/Elves dichotomy we were initially shown.
 
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ename144 said:
I will never understand how Medb makes a stronger impression than the Templars. She seems every bit as dogmatic, racist, and manipulative as they are, with worse manners to boot. Sure, she didn't scheme to seduce him with one of her minions (that we know of!), but that has more to do with opportunity than it does with temperament.

Normally I'd joke that her shapely curves must be skewering everyone's judgement, but I can't even do that since the Templars have at least as many curves on their side as the Alfar - even more so now that Finnabair is gone. :(
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If you spare Finn - and aren't an asshole while you're visiting you see an entirely different side of Medb than the one she presents to the Templars. Yes she's very proud, she's 2000 years old and the 4th highest ranked of her people. She obviously feels a little superior to the 20 something human but you spend a lot of evenings talking to her and she is very open about everything.


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It's hard to argue humanity would be worse off without the Templars given what we've seen so far. That said, it's important to note that they may not be the ones keeping Neverwhere (et al) a secret from humanity at large. Kaija clearly states that the Templars have to make sure to keep a low profile lest they be eliminated themselves, which wouldn't make any sense if they were are the ones enforcing the masquerade.

Obviously it's possible Kaija is lying, but I consider that unlikely and there's certainly no evidence to dispute her take at the moment. I'd also note that Kari seems to be under orders not to disclose certain secrets herself, and based on what we know she definitely doesn't answer to the Templars. To me, it's pretty clear the 'politics' of the masquerade are a lot more complex than just the Templar/Elves dichotomy we were initially shown.
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Based on what I know, which is all I can base opinions on, I think the Templars are a net negative for humanity as an organization. They are certainly a negative for MC. And Kajia has zero credibility with me. If she came in soaking wet and told me it was raining, I'd have to look to confirm.
 
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Wolfram99 said:
A being that has old school weapons and is of unknown origin wont murder you? The only safe bet is Jessica :ROFLMAO:
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Fiona doesn't seem like the violent type to me. She seems more like the sweet and innocent type imo and only use violence as a last resort. So I dont think she would
 
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