VN Ren'Py The Neverwhere Tales [v0.6.0.2] [Ceolag]

[SamualHand]

I suspect you're right. Finn served her purpose. She was interesting and was a good for getting the MC in to the elves and exploring their culture.

I agree, her purpose was to provide the blood to mop the floor of the throne room and she served that purpose very well.

 

[Grumpy Old Aussie]

Nah, not in my case anyway. In AVN’s I tend to look for “my Li” in anything I play. I was worried after 4 chapters because a few of them were interesting but none of them rose to that level until Finn. Now it’s unlikely any of them will. I didn’t know she was going to die when I decided that she was the one.

In my first play through I killed her straight up. She pissed me off. Unfortunately, you miss most of the story so I had to let her live after that so I could see more Medb. I didn't expect much from Finn when I first played after that because I knew she wasn't an LI and I thought we would see more Medb. I was far more interested in Medb than I was in Finn. To me, Finn was just a silly impetuous girl. There wasn't anything special about her and I didn't find her particularly interesting. She served a purpose, but there was no mystery about her except surrounding her death if you don't kill her off yourself. The real LIs are all mysterious and interesting, even Kaija, even though I don't like her.

 

[Pixillin']

In my first play through I killed her straight up. She pissed me off. Unfortunately, you miss most of the story so I had to let her live after that so I could see more Medb. I didn't expect much from Finn when I first played after that because I knew she wasn't an LI and I thought we would see more Medb. I was far more interested in Medb than I was in Finn. To me, Finn was just a silly impetuous girl. There wasn't anything special about her and I didn't find her particularly interesting. She served a purpose, but there was no mystery about her except surrounding her death if you don't kill her off yourself. The real LIs are all mysterious and interesting, even Kaija, even though I don't like her.

I’m pretty much the opposite of you I think. Medb is nice, she’s like a (non-incestuous) mother figure but I’m not interested in her as a li. I absolutely despise Kajia. Zero interest in Elea from go - like when she first showed up in the office the first thing that popped into my head was “nope” - I did her whole route and nothing about it sparked the tiniest bit of interest. Fionna is a possibility but I don’t trust her and at this point in this game not trusting someone is a big deal. Also if she is in any way connected to the templars, she’ll be out. Right now Kate is the frontrunner - 3 of the 4 “real li’s” are out of the running and the fourth is a longshot. And, other than Kate, zero interest in any of the remaining side girls. If the succubus came back at this point, she’d be in the running. If I got an offer from the hellspawn or the Neverwhere crime syndicates, I’d seriously consider it.

 

[Grumpy Old Aussie]

I’m pretty much the opposite of you I think. Medb is nice, she’s like a (non-incestuous) mother figure but I’m not interested in her as a li. I absolutely despise Kajia. Zero interest in Elea from go - like when she first showed up in the office the first thing that popped into my head was “nope” - I did her whole route and nothing about it sparked the tiniest bit of interest. Fionna is a possibility but I don’t trust her and at this point in this game not trusting someone is a big deal. Also if she is in any way connected to the templars, she’ll be out. Right now Kate is the frontrunner - 3 of the 4 “real li’s” are out of the running and the fourth is a longshot. And, other than Kate, zero interest in any of the remaining side girls. If the succubus came back at this point, she’d be in the running. If I got an offer from the hellspawn or the Neverwhere crime syndicates, I’d seriously consider it.

Definitely opposites. I love Elea the most among the LIs and Helena is my no1 side girl. We do agree on Kaija though.

 

[Pixillin']

Definitely opposites. I love Elea the most among the LIs and Helena is my no1 side girl. We do agree on Kaija though.

I mean - between what happened before I left to see the Alfir and what happened next if the option was there I’d finish burning bridges and cutting ties: I’d quit the job, ditch the apartment, get a new phone - and only give the number to Kate, Jessica and maybe Fionna and if I couldn’t go back to the Alfir I’d probably look for a place and a job in Neverwhere. (And of course seek revenge for Finn.)

 

[Wolfram99]

In my first play through I killed her straight up. She pissed me off. Unfortunately, you miss most of the story so I had to let her live after that so I could see more Medb. I didn't expect much from Finn when I first played after that because I knew she wasn't an LI and I thought we would see more Medb. I was far more interested in Medb than I was in Finn. To me, Finn was just a silly impetuous girl. There wasn't anything special about her and I didn't find her particularly interesting. She served a purpose, but there was no mystery about her except surrounding her death if you don't kill her off yourself. The real LIs are all mysterious and interesting, even Kaija, even though I don't like her.

As a character Medb is fine, as pretty much all of the LI entourage.
But as an LI she is closer to Kaija level than to Fiona or Elea, just for the fact she sanctioned the murder of MC.

 

[Grumpy Old Aussie]

I mean - between what happened before I left to see the Alfir and what happened next if the option was there I’d finish burning bridges and cutting ties: I’d quit the job, ditch the apartment, get a new phone - and only give the number to Kate, Jessica and maybe Fionna and if I couldn’t go back to the Alfir I’d probably look for a place and a job in Neverwhere. (And of course seek revenge for Finn.)

I would probably burn bridges, quit the job and move away to somewhere with Elea, although I would keep in touch with my sister. Since I would kill Finn, I wouldn't be looking for revenge

As a character Medb is fine, as pretty much all of the LI entourage.
But as an LI she is closer to Kaija level than to Fiona or Elea, just for the fact she sanctioned the murder of MC.

I'm still interested in the Ice Queen. We still haven't seen a lot of her, so I am waiting to see more of her before I make a judgement. Medb has definitely slipped to number 3 LI and Fiona is promoted to number 2. I'm not ruling Medb out yet, but my expectations have definitely decreased after that.

 

[Pixillin']

I would probably burn bridges, quit the job and move away to somewhere with Elea, although I would keep in touch with my sister. Since I would kill Finn, I wouldn't be looking for revenge

The thing that confuses me the most is that Ceo thinks we’re supposed to be neutral about the templars. I mean, yes all we have is Medb’s word and we haven’t even had a long conversation about it with her but why would we be neutral. Given our recent history with the Templars, why would give the benefit of the doubt to people who have been lying to MC about everything for his entire life? Especially when you add in the whole rage/grief thing. I mean I hated the Templars when I met Finn. I’m definitely not neutral.

 

[Monetka_]

Hey everyone,

This has been a pretty busy week and the weekend is going to be too.
Lots of work and family stuff and less time to work on the game. I'll keep this Dev Log short so I can fit in as much development time as possible today.

The numbers for this week:
85 new static renders for a total of 1775
4 new animations for a total of 47
214 new lines in the script file for a total of 5255

Next week will be a pretty busy one too for the same reasons (fam + work) but I'll do my best to make as much progress as possible.

Have a nice weekend, guys.
Cheers,
Ceo

 

[Grumpy Old Aussie]

The thing that confuses me the most is that Ceo thinks we’re supposed to be neutral about the templars. I mean, yes all we have is Medb’s word and we haven’t even had a long conversation about it with her but why would we be neutral. Given our recent history with the Templars, why would give the benefit of the doubt to people who have been lying to MC about everything for his entire life? Especially when you add in the whole rage/grief thing. I mean I hated the Templars when I met Finn. I’m definitely not neutral.

First up, I think the Templars are a weak organization who have lost their way. In saying that, Templars respected the parents decision not to tell the MC. The secret is on the parents not the Templars. It was the parents decision.

Kaija did her own thing to the MC by getting close to him, when she didn't have to, so that is on her, not the Templars.

Finn knew she was off to do something the next day and wouldn't tell the MC. The Alfar were up to something. If they attacked the Templars first then that is on them not the Templars.

So I think the Templars are a pretty sad organization, but I not going to blame them for stuff others did. I'm neutral on the Templars as far as the story goes.

 

[Dessolos]

The thing that confuses me the most is that Ceo thinks we’re supposed to be neutral about the templars. I mean, yes all we have is Medb’s word and we haven’t even had a long conversation about it with her but why would we be neutral. Given our recent history with the Templars, why would give the benefit of the doubt to people who have been lying to MC about everything for his entire life? Especially when you add in the whole rage/grief thing. I mean I hated the Templars when I met Finn. I’m definitely not neutral.

Honestly I can see how being neutral works pretty well. I actually never got to the point where I straight up hate the Templars I still don't. If im being completely honest I trust them as much as I trust the elfs. There is just certain individuals I do not trust. It was why I found it easy to forgive and not burn any bridges with the parents. Truth be told if it wasn't for Fin I would have a hard who to side with between Elfs and Templars.

 

[Pixillin']

Sorry don't want to quote lots of parts of both but that is not where I am with the Templars at all. To me the Templars are dishonest at their core. I give them zero credit for 'defending humanity' I actually think that their secrecy puts humanity at greater risk rather than protecting them. I can see why they were secret hundreds of years ago - the Catholics would have ended them, but not any more. And their malicious treatment of MC and Jessica is just another example of their toxicity as an organization. I decided after spending some time with them that the Alfar is just another thing the Templars were lying about. And then they killed Finn - so, to me, it doesn't really matter why. At least the why doesn't alter my feelings about them at all. At this point, I despise them individually and as an organization.

 

[PaxHadrian17]

This was one of the images posted in Ceo's latest dev log:



We know that there is something very special about Fiona, but the MC does not realize the full extent of 'special.'

This feels like a bit of a trusting reveal by Fiona.

I wonder how good the shot will be and if the MC will see this side of Fiona and start connecting certain 'origin' dots...

Cheers!!

 

[Krytax123]

This was one of the images posted in Ceo's latest dev log:

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We know that there is something very special about Fiona, but the MC does not realize the full extent of 'special.'

This feels like a bit of a trusting reveal by Fiona.

I wonder how good the shot will be and if the MC will see this side of Fiona and start connecting certain 'origin' dots...

Cheers!!

Great gal, great render and top.

Imo shes the prettiest of the LI's

 

[ename144]

Hey everyone,

This has been a pretty busy week and the weekend is going to be too.
Lots of work and family stuff and less time to work on the game. I'll keep this Dev Log short so I can fit in as much development time as possible today.

The numbers for this week:
85 new static renders for a total of 1775
4 new animations for a total of 47
214 new lines in the script file for a total of 5255

Next week will be a pretty busy one too for the same reasons (fam + work) but I'll do my best to make as much progress as possible.

Have a nice weekend, guys.
Cheers,
Ceo

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Let's see, based on these numbers Ceolag is now averaging roughly 71 static renders, 1.9 animations, and 210 lines per week since work on Chapter 6 officially began. Here are the charts:

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We seem to be off to a good start on Fiona's date, and it will be interesting to see how it progresses. Not much more to say for the moment.

 

[Wolfram99]

Remember when Ceo said that Ch.6 development wont take as long as Ch. 5 did?

 

[Maviarab]

First up, I think the Templars are a weak organization who have lost their way. In saying that, Templars respected the parents decision not to tell the MC. The secret is on the parents not the Templars. It was the parents decision.

Kaija did her own thing to the MC by getting close to him, when she didn't have to, so that is on her, not the Templars.

Finn knew she was off to do something the next day and wouldn't tell the MC. The Alfar were up to something. If they attacked the Templars first then that is on them not the Templars.

So I think the Templars are a pretty sad organization, but I not going to blame them for stuff others did. I'm neutral on the Templars as far as the story goes.

 

[ename144]

The thing that confuses me the most is that Ceo thinks we’re supposed to be neutral about the templars. I mean, yes all we have is Medb’s word and we haven’t even had a long conversation about it with her but why would we be neutral. Given our recent history with the Templars, why would give the benefit of the doubt to people who have been lying to MC about everything for his entire life? Especially when you add in the whole rage/grief thing. I mean I hated the Templars when I met Finn. I’m definitely not neutral.

Sorry don't want to quote lots of parts of both but that is not where I am with the Templars at all. To me the Templars are dishonest at their core. I give them zero credit for 'defending humanity' I actually think that their secrecy puts humanity at greater risk rather than protecting them. I can see why they were secret hundreds of years ago - the Catholics would have ended them, but not any more. And their malicious treatment of MC and Jessica is just another example of their toxicity as an organization. I decided after spending some time with them that the Alfar is just another thing the Templars were lying about. And then they killed Finn - so, to me, it doesn't really matter why. At least the why doesn't alter my feelings about them at all. At this point, I despise them individually and as an organization.

With respect, Pixillin', I doubt there there was anything the Templars could have done to prevent you despising them. You've consistently blamed them for things we have no evidence of them being responsible for while ignoring any and all arguments in their favor. If next chapter we learn that Medb was mistaken and the Templars had actually tried unsuccessfully to save Finnabair from an ambush by demons, you'd blame them for distracting her and swear even more vengeance.

I don't know if the problem stems from the name 'Templars' or if you just have an extremely visceral reaction to being kept out of the loop, but whatever it is it's kept you from giving them a fair shake. Neutral doesn't mean allied after all; the Templars are meant to be seen as advancing their own agenda, one that won't line up perfectly with your own. If that agenda is personally antithetical to you, or if you believe anyone not with you is against you, then the Templars are clearly never going to come across as neutral. But you should recognize that other people with slightly different priorities could reach a different conclusion.

 

[Grumpy Old Aussie]

Sorry don't want to quote lots of parts of both but that is not where I am with the Templars at all. To me the Templars are dishonest at their core. I give them zero credit for 'defending humanity' I actually think that their secrecy puts humanity at greater risk rather than protecting them. I can see why they were secret hundreds of years ago - the Catholics would have ended them, but not any more. And their malicious treatment of MC and Jessica is just another example of their toxicity as an organization. I decided after spending some time with them that the Alfar is just another thing the Templars were lying about. And then they killed Finn - so, to me, it doesn't really matter why. At least the why doesn't alter my feelings about them at all. At this point, I despise them individually and as an organization.

Here is what you do to solve the problem. You start a new game, play through the game until you get to Ch5, then you have the MC kill Finn straight up, then you solve the problem of the Templars killing Finn. Simple.

 

[Dr.TSoni]

Here is what you do to solve the problem. You start a new game, play through the game until you get to Ch5, then you have the MC kill Finn straight up, then you solve the problem of the Templars killing Finn. Simple.

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