VN Ren'Py The Neverwhere Tales [v0.6.0.2] [Ceolag]

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IIRC, he didn't win because of any training he received. He won because he was wielding a legendary, semi-sentient sword that can guide/control the movement of his body and slow time/accelerate him. If you chose to kill Finn he has to physically struggle against the sword's will to do so.
without that particular sword he would have been fucked, no question about it
 

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IIRC, he didn't win because of any training he received. He won because he was wielding a legendary, semi-sentient sword that can guide/control the movement of his body and slow time/accelerate him. If you chose to kill Finn he has to physically struggle against the sword's will to do so.
I don't think so. Soon he will have to pay a debt to Nightingale that includes fistfighting for that sword. I bet he will be able to beat the crap out of her without any training as he almost did when he trained with Kaija. MC is overpowered in a way we don't have a clue yet.
 

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IIRC, he didn't win because of any training he received. He won because he was wielding a legendary, semi-sentient sword that can guide/control the movement of his body and slow time/accelerate him. If you chose to kill Finn he has to physically struggle against the sword's will to do so.

My critical brain is yelling at me right now calling you all sorts of names :LOL: If I listen to it, it tells me that sword fighting involves far more than just swinging a hunk of metal around. It requires physical prep, strenght to wield the blade, dexterity, footwork, stance, interpretation of visual cues, antecipation... All sorts of stuff that Finn should have literally perfected over a hundred years of training. All of which the MC lacks.

I don't really have an issue with the scene but I am forced to infer that maybe Finn wasn't the most capable fighter around to begin with. Even against a magical OP sword.

But I'll just stick to the conclusion that your capacity for suspension of disbelief exceeds my own ;)
 
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I don't think so. Soon he will have to pay a debt to Nightingale that includes fistfighting for that sword. I bet he will be able to beat the crap out of her without any training as he almost did when he trained with Kaija. MC is overpowered in a way we don't have a clue yet.
idk im under the impression he will win because the plot needs him to have the sword but not because he is a better fighter than Nightingale. I think the sword is gonna hard carry his skills like it did in the fight with Fin the 2nd time. Yeah he does know how to fight better now he has had some training but I just don't see him being better than Nightingale
 

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I don't think so. Soon he will have to pay a debt to Nightingale that includes fistfighting for that sword. I bet he will be able to beat the crap out of her without any training as he almost did when he trained with Kaija. MC is overpowered in a way we don't have a clue yet.
idk im under the impression he will win because the plot needs him to have the sword but not because he is a better fighter than Nightingale. I think the sword is gonna hard carry his skills like it did in the fight with Fin the 2nd time. Yeah he does know how to fight better now he has had some training but I just don't see him being better than Nightingale
He will probably be stronger by then, from soaking up the ambient magical energy in the elven land. We are told that merely staying there makes you stronger, fitter and extends your lifespan.
In fact, my guess for the overarching story is that some greedy humans are cavorting with the demons to weaken or remove the elves, so they can get to their land and extend their lifespans.

All sorts of stuff that Finn should have literally perfected over a hundred years of training. All of which the MC lacks.
Do you need that though, if you think and move at 10x the speed of the enemy? Nightingale's eyes couldn't follow Finn when she jumped the MC, but to him she moved like in slow motion. It makes sense too, how else would the previous human holders of the sword stood a chance against anything superhuman.
 
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idk im under the impression he will win because the plot needs him to have the sword but not because he is a better fighter than Nightingale. I think the sword is gonna hard carry his skills like it did in the fight with Fin the 2nd time. Yeah he does know how to fight better now he has had some training but I just don't see him being better than Nightingale
He will probably be stronger by then, from soaking up the ambient magical energy in the elven land. We are told that merely staying there makes you stronger, fitter and extends your lifespan.
In fact, my guess for the overarching story is that some greedy humans are cavorting with the demons to weaken or remove the elves, so they can get to their land and extend their lifespans.


Do you need that though, if you think and move at 10x the speed of the enemy? Nightingale's eyes couldn't follow Finn when she jumped the MC, but to him she moved like in slow motion. It makes sense too, how else would the previous human holders of the sword stood a chance against anything superhuman.
The sword works on hate and anger. Nightingale has neither towards the MC therefore, just like initially with Finn, the sword is useless to him and he relies solely on the skills he very much lacks (to back up RNasc4444 as you are all correct to play devil's advocate).

If he tries to rile up Nightingale or piss her off, I can't see it working, she far too canny, experienced and level-headed (compared to a brash Finn) to fall for any trick like that....so therefore the sword is just an ordinary sword in the hands of the MC against her, someone else who has far, far, far more experience, skills and swordsmanship than our dim protaganist.
 

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The sword works on hate and anger. Nightingale has neither towards the MC therefore, just like initially with Finn, the sword is useless to him and he relies solely on the skills he very much lacks (to back up RNasc4444 as you are all correct to play devil's advocate).

If he tries to rile up Nightingale or piss her off, I can't see it working, she far too canny, experienced and level-headed (compared to a brash Finn) to fall for any trick like that....so therefore the sword is just an ordinary sword in the hands of the MC against her, someone else who has far, far, far more experience, skills and swordsmanship than our dim protaganist.
Agreed. Which is why I'm banking on the soaked up magic. (If the fight every actually happens)
Additionally, the sword chose him, it might not react well when someone tries to take it against its will.

In any case, the fact that we can argue about shit like that for 500 pages is the mark of a great game. :ROFLMAO:
 
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it's been so long that i forgot all about the story....damn can't belive there are devs that take 1 year tor elease an update...and some devs are like swiss clock and release monthly...bah...
 

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Additionally, the sword chose him, it might not react well when someone tries to take it against its will.
Hmm, that has not been proven yet? So far we know that it has human affinity. And only the MC and Linnae has handled it.
Agreed. Which is why I'm banking on the soaked up magic. (If the fight every actually happens)
It seems that the elven world just boosts Vitality, so MC just had a very good training set done.
 

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it's been so long that i forgot all about the story....damn can't belive there are devs that take 1 year tor elease an update...and some devs are like swiss clock and release monthly...bah...
I agree. Like, I know making these games is hard. I know that it takes time and all that. But once a couple months pass I genuinely can't even remember who the characters were or what the plot was. And at that point it's just one step away from not caring any more at all.
 
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it's been so long that i forgot all about the story....damn can't belive there are devs that take 1 year tor elease an update...and some devs are like swiss clock and release monthly...bah...
I mean not all the dev's are the same so it's not unheard of or unreasonable some take 8 months to a year especially when it's not their full time project , when they have a job etc. But when it's a favorite AVN of mine I don't really forget all that much only the ones that im not super into I do
 

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I mean not all the dev's are the same so it's not unheard of or unreasonable some take 8 months to a year especially when it's not their full time project , when they have a job etc. But when it's a favorite AVN of mine I don't really forget all that much only the ones that im not super into I do
It's not that you literally forget the story. It's more that, even though you can piece it together from memory the story no longer holds any emotional power. It's like having a TV show with far too much time between seasons. Yes, you generally remember what it was about. But you just no longer care. The emotion that was present when you watched it is gone.
 
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It's not that you literally forget the story. It's more that, even though you can piece it together from memory the story no longer holds any emotional power. It's like having a TV show with far too much time between seasons. Yes, you generally remember what it was about. But you just no longer care. The emotion that was present when you watched it is gone.
I see what you mean but that is only the case on some games my favorites the moment I start playing it and see my favorite LI on the screen all those emotions and connections comes back. So it really depends on the game for me.
 
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I agree. Like, I know making these games is hard. I know that it takes time and all that. But once a couple months pass I genuinely can't even remember who the characters were or what the plot was. And at that point it's just one step away from not caring any more at all.
Tell me about it. My poor brain is getting old, it happens to me all the time. I usually have a quick replay, as a reminder with the ctrl key feature. It flies through and just seeing the characters and few pics again is usually enough to remind me of the story. Some like Neverwhere stay with me though and I can remember a lot of the story.
 

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I see what you mean but that is only the case on some games my favorites the moment I start playing it and see my favorite LI on the screen all those emotions and connections comes back. So it really depends on the game for me.
For me it really doesn't. Like, not even a little. Like, if I put down a story for more than a couple months I have to either start from scratch or just drop it permanently. And starting from scratch usually does not work emotionally because I remember the plot well enough to have all the emotional parts spoiled for me. So there are a lot of games here where I've basically given up half way through because of slow updates.
 

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For me it really doesn't. Like, not even a little. Like, if I put down a story for more than a couple months I have to either start from scratch or just drop it permanently. And starting from scratch usually does not work emotionally because I remember the plot well enough to have all the emotional parts spoiled for me. So there are a lot of games here where I've basically given up half way through because of slow updates.
Have you considered waiting for completed games?
 
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Have you considered waiting for completed games?
I often do. But if I only restricted my self to games that are completed I'd end up with a very small pool indeed. So I have to gamble and hope that the game I pick has a reasonable update schedule of say once every couple months instead of once a year or something pointless like that.
 

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Have you considered waiting for completed games?
Exactly what I thought when reading this topic hahaha. Why they play games still in development? :LOL:
I often do. But if I only restricted my self to games that are completed I'd end up with a very small pool indeed. So I have to gamble and hope that the game I pick has a reasonable update schedule of say once every couple months instead of once a year or something pointless like that.
I can count on the fingers of my hand (and not a full hand for sure) games with a good story like this one that deliver an update with gaps of less than 3 months with a solo developer, and the ones that do they really don't put much effort on visuals or they have teams developing it and can share tasks. Most of the games with high quality on visuals are always gaps between 6-12 months, it also depends on the amount of content per update, the hardware they own, the visual software used (and their experience with it) and if they have animations or not and the number of people working on it and if they do it full time or partial time plus having a main job. Can count also on the fingers of my hand (Well maybe both hands :p) AVN developers that really can make a living doing this hahaha.
 
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It's not that you literally forget the story. It's more that, even though you can piece it together from memory the story no longer holds any emotional power. It's like having a TV show with far too much time between seasons. Yes, you generally remember what it was about. But you just no longer care. The emotion that was present when you watched it is gone.
Sounds like a you problem. I've never had this issue.
 
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