VN Ren'Py The Neverwhere Tales [v0.6.0.2] [Ceolag]

[Joratox]

As usual, I find myself wondering just who, and what, Fiona is. I'm leaning towards her being Tuatha Dé Danann, namely Macha because of her family issues and that little arousal display, but I guess we'll see.
Sounds like the next update will feature the trip to Ireland...hopefully.

Probably not Tuatha Dé Danann, since those are rather godly in nature, but maybe a branch of Sídhe (as far as I know of Irish folklore they are somewhat close to Elves, so it would make a lot of sense in the story). Her family might even prove to be the antagonists, since they are described as people who love to meddle and make other fight each other...so Elves vs Templars fight might prove entertaining to them. We shall see what Ceolag cooks for us next updates.

Or...she's a werewolf ) This might be out of the blue...but she apparently can talk to dogs (if Orla is indeed a dog and not some supernatural being) and she had a few moments watching the moon. This is probably a stretch...but it's also on my bingo list ))

 

[UnoriginalUserName]

Probably not Tuatha Dé Danann, since those are rather godly in nature, but maybe a branch of Sídhe (as far as I know of Irish folklore they are somewhat close to Elves, so it would make a lot of sense in the story). Her family might even prove to be the antagonists, since they are described as people who love to meddle and make other fight each other...so Elves vs Templars fight might prove entertaining to them. We shall see what Ceolag cooks for us next updates.

Or...she's a werewolf ) This might be out of the blue...but she apparently can talk to dogs (if Orla is indeed a dog and not some supernatural being) and she had a few moments watching the moon. This is probably a stretch...but it's also on my bingo list ))

Well, it's pretty obvious that she's way, WAY older than she appears. She isn't a Fae, unless she can shapeshift, and she seems to have some sort of magical arousal powers. Her kisses had the MC raring to go immediately (which happens when you're 14, sure), she's quite sexually aggressive and got him off super fast then somehow completely canceled his refractory period (magic pussy?) and then later on instantly got him hard again.

 

[Macinnes]

Does this game not have any music or sound? I feel sleepy sometimes if there isn't any sound or audio.

It has a decent soundtrack and if you like Irish folk music when he's in the pub or with Fiona it plays

 

[xapican]

Probably not Tuatha Dé Danann, since those are rather godly in nature, but maybe a branch of Sídhe (as far as I know of Irish folklore they are somewhat close to Elves, so it would make a lot of sense in the story). Her family might even prove to be the antagonists, since they are described as people who love to meddle and make other fight each other...so Elves vs Templars fight might prove entertaining to them. We shall see what Ceolag cooks for us next updates.

Or...she's a werewolf ) This might be out of the blue...but she apparently can talk to dogs (if Orla is indeed a dog and not some supernatural being) and she had a few moments watching the moon. This is probably a stretch...but it's also on my bingo list ))

a few other members and me guessed she was one of the Tuatha de Danann; in the Lore and Legends thread, however, after last chapter, I had the inpression, she could be Leanan Sidhe, and was looking, for info about this mystical beeing, Ceo however orients by the Ulster chronicles, and there the Sidhe are more monsters
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[Macinnes]

This or Ceolag is playing with our feelings XD


More or less me too, not that she "turned me off" but I started the game all focused on Fiona, then during Elea's path the bench scene was totally different and curiosity got the better of me. Now Kaija is my main save.

If you keep an out for background details. Lannae has the same choker/necklace as Elea wore on her bathroom sink, the Egyptian Eye one. Her story she tells the MC matches a lot of points in Elea's story she tells the MC earlier.

 

[e6mill]

Lannae has the same choker/necklace as Elea wore on her bathroom sink

Eye of Ra is not exactly a rare thing...
But the stories are very sus, yes.

 

[Daermon420]

a few other members and me guessed she was one of the Tuatha de Danann; in the Lore and Legends thread, however, after last chapter, I had the inpression, she could be Leanan Sidhe, and was looking, for info about this mystical beeing, Ceo however orients by the Ulster chronicles, and there the Sidhe are more monsters

Given how Fiona is so insistent that when she tells MC her story about who she is and what she's done in the past he'll be repulsed by her, that kind of tracks. I'm expecting a potentially monstrous backstory about her and her family.

 

[Joratox]

Well, it's pretty obvious that she's way, WAY older than she appears. She isn't a Fae, unless she can shapeshift, and she seems to have some sort of magical arousal powers. Her kisses had the MC raring to go immediately (which happens when you're 14, sure), she's quite sexually aggressive and got him off super fast then somehow completely canceled his refractory period (magic pussy?) and then later on instantly got him hard again.

Completely agree that she is way older. For the other parts, I'm not familiar enough with the Tuatha lore to know about the sexual magic they might or might not have. In my understanding Tuatha are closer to gods, and Sidhe are somewhat descendants of them, so they are still supernatural, able to use magic and probably live long lives. I know I've read somewhere that Ceolag is a fan of Love and Magic series (also Morningstar since they are related) and both feature Tuatha and Sidhe, with various degrees of godness and powers. I might confuse Sidhe with Fae ? Are they they the same or different stuff, maybe irish and gaelic folklore ? Will do more research.

 

[xapican]

Completely agree that she is way older. For the other parts, I'm not familiar enough with the Tuatha lore to know about the sexual magic they might or might not have. In my understanding Tuatha are closer to gods, and Sidhe are somewhat descendants of them, so they are still supernatural, able to use magic and probably live long lives. I know I've read somewhere that Ceolag is a fan of Love and Magic series (also Morningstar since they are related) and both feature Tuatha and Sidhe, with various degrees of godness and powers. I might confuse Sidhe with Fae ? Are they they the same or different stuff, maybe irish and gaelic folklore ? Will do more research.

Check out here; TNT Lore and Legends,
there is info about the Tuata de Danann, as well when you have a good source feel free to post over there, The Sidhe are still missing and that was what I was looking for.
abrazo!

 

[Knightcvel]

It's not spelled out, but it definitely appears that when you sat down with them, after rescuing the father, and they tried to explain and get you to trust them again, that there were still hiding some really important stuff.

Their secrecy is directly related to MC and Jess powers, in my opinion. They were secluded from the magical world and put under strict vigilance to prevent their powers of being manifested. That's the reason mercenaries, working for a third party were trying to put their hands on them, and for having a bounty on their heads in Neverwhere. That's my opinion and I was suspecting that since chapter 5 and now there are more elements to strenghten this.

 

[Knightcvel]

Their purpose should be to find, control and monitor every entrance/exit between Earth and Neverwhere. Coordinate with other agencies in other countries that know about Neverwhere's existance. Keep anything from going into Neverwhere and kill anything that comes out of Neverwhere. It is beyond fucking insane that people like Nightinfail can freely walk in and out with no repercussions. That monsters like the succubus can just come across and terrorize civilians. Or pointy-eared assholes can just come over and scheme against Humans.

They are fucking useless and should be abolished and replaced by someone who can actually protect Earth and Humanity.

Their only purpose after the last hellspawn incursion was to patrol Neverwhere and engage Alvar patrols. They cannot trust on governments as being a paramilitary is forbiden in most jurisdictions and also because to keep their activities they syphon resources from their enterprises through illegal means. They are simply resting in the security of a structure that will give them something to do and pay their bills. Even Kaija admits that there were much to do besides skirmishes with Alvar along centuries. And Neverwhere isn't a complete secret after all, as many rogue elements from society know about it intuitively and eventually find their way to there.

 

[Pixillin']

Their secrecy is directly related to MC and Jess powers, in my opinion. They were secluded from the magical world and put under strict vigilance to prevent their powers of being manifested. That's the reason mercenaries, working for a third party were trying to put their hands on them, and for having a bounty on their heads in Neverwhere. That's my opinion and I was suspecting that since chapter 5 and now there are more elements to strenghten this.

I suspected from the thing with the succubus and saving Medb in Neverwhere. There has just been more evidence since then. If it turns out to be correct though, and the parents where still covering things up when they sat down to try to explain and regain trust, that makes things complicated. If they were still lying how can even Jess just keep trusting them but CEO keeps saying we're supposed to be neutral. I'm already not, and I don't think most people are "neutral" at this point, except for a few who hate everyone. I guess that's neutral.

 

[RadicalGuy]

Inspired by your post, I also followed the path of the "Lone Ranger," but in a slightly less strenuous form. I shot the mercenary, which immediately earned me 4 points for Medb. I also earned 3 points with Kari. The training with Finn was important to me because only then do the two weak points in EP 6 become apparent (not so much if you're on the Kaija path).

1. Did the MC even understand what the Alfars taught him? Answer: NO. Nightingale's attacks during the sparring match were the same attacks he was shown during the session with King Oberon. What does our little MC do? He's totally surprised by these attacks. *shakes head*

2. Did anyone see our lazy MC doing any kind of training in this episode? There were a lot of them: prove me wrong, but it was three weeks. I consider this a huge mistake! *shakes head*

We'll see where the MC ends up.

What is interesting is that during sparring with Nightingale there is a check for training with Oberon and Kaija (you need to go to Templars with Kaija). Not sure if that impacts the outcome of this match though (my main save is fuck templars, parents and Kaija)
As for MC being lazy and not training - well, he didnt do anything. No training, no attempts to deescalate confilt between Alfar and templars. Just 3 weeks doing nothing. Unless you count dates with LI, but do we really needed 3 weeks for that?

 

[Pixillin']

What is interesting is that during sparring with Nightingale there is a check for training with Oberon and Kaija (you need to go to Templars with Kaija). Not sure if that impacts the outcome of this match though (my main save is fuck templars, parents and Kaija)
As for MC being lazy and not training - well, he didnt do anything. No training, no attempts to deescalate confilt between Alfar and templars. Just 3 weeks doing nothing. Unless you count dates with LI, but do we really needed 3 weeks for that?

Yeah, the MC is kind of a waste of space. He did nothing about Finn's murder, except tell his sister about it. Didn't seek revenge, or try to de-escalate, or even ask anyone who might know and then went back to work at the insurance company even though he knows it's just a templar front and he's being watched there. So he went from "screw the Templars, I'm going to go by myself to the Elves and get their side of things or die trying" to "well that was educational, now I need to catch up on some TV."

 

[Knightcvel]

Yeah, the MC is kind of a waste of space. He did nothing about Finn's murder, except tell his sister about it. Didn't seek revenge, or try to de-escalate, or even ask anyone who might know and then went back to work at the insurance company even though he knows it's just a templar front and he's being watched there. So he went from "screw the Templars, I'm going to go by myself to the Elves and get their side of things or die trying" to "well that was educational, now I need to catch up on some TV."

Only on Kaija love route it may be possible to avenge Finn at the moment, as you will need to access the templar headquarters to learn how she wall killed by one of them.

 

[xapican]

What is interesting is that during sparring with Nightingale there is a check for training with Oberon and Kaija (you need to go to Templars with Kaija). Not sure if that impacts the outcome of this match though (my main save is fuck templars, parents and Kaija)
As for MC being lazy and not training - well, he didnt do anything. No training, no attempts to deescalate confilt between Alfar and templars. Just 3 weeks doing nothing. Unless you count dates with LI, but do we really needed 3 weeks for that?

You need both, for unlocking achievements, Training with Kaija for the achievement during Hellspawn attack, then for the flight of the Nightingale. as well

 

[RadicalGuy]

Yeah, the MC is kind of a waste of space. He did nothing about Finn's murder, except tell his sister about it. Didn't seek revenge, or try to de-escalate, or even ask anyone who might know and then went back to work at the insurance company even though he knows it's just a templar front and he's being watched there. So he went from "screw the Templars, I'm going to go by myself to the Elves and get their side of things or die trying" to "well that was educational, now I need to catch up on some TV."

I guess MC is now at the "sad boi" phase

Only on Kaija love route it may be possible to avenge Finn at the moment, as you will need to access the templar headquarters to learn how she wall killed by one of them.

Which is weird tbh. MC goal is to prevent the war. So unless he killed Finn himself, the first thing he should do is to go to templars to get their side of the story and, if possible, try to deescalate. He still have access to templar's base so he doesn't need Kaija nor his parents for this. Instead he goes "oh well, i guess there is a war now" and does nothing.
At this point I wonder how all different paths will be connected without ignoring player's choices

 

[Maviarab]

What is interesting is that during sparring with Nightingale there is a check for training with Oberon and Kaija (you need to go to Templars with Kaija). Not sure if that impacts the outcome of this match though (my main save is fuck templars, parents and Kaija)
As for MC being lazy and not training - well, he didnt do anything. No training, no attempts to deescalate confilt between Alfar and templars. Just 3 weeks doing nothing. Unless you count dates with LI, but do we really needed 3 weeks for that?

You need both, for unlocking achievements, Training with Kaija for the achievement during Hellspawn attack, then for the flight of the Nightingale. as well

And for those hunting, apologies for the delay, have been silly and annoyingly busy the last couple of weeks (as my limited posts around here show). Barely had half hour to myself before someone or something required my attention. When I did get some time to myself, I'll be honest and admit, it wasnit always at the forefront of me wanting to work on it.

However, the walthrough should be done and up tomorrow. Have just sent to Ceo for final approval and then will get uploaded.

 

[UnoriginalUserName]

Which is weird tbh. MC goal is to prevent the war. So unless he killed Finn himself, the first thing he should do is to go to templars to get their side of the story and, if possible, try to deescalate. He still have access to templar's base so he doesn't need Kaija nor his parents for this. Instead he goes "oh well, i guess there is a war now" and does nothing.
At this point I wonder how all different paths will be connected without ignoring player's choices

No he can't. There's a big difference between being able to enter the base and having access to a council chamber where his father the grandmaster currently is and trying to gain access to a prisoner in the dungeons. It's not like he can pop in there while pretending to look for the bathroom.

As for stopping the war, how? He's one man and he barely knows his way around one city in Neverwhere. He has no power, no way of communicating, no money, nothing.

At this point the war is inevitable, and the only way to stop it once it gets going is to prove a third party instigated both sides. For that he's going to have to explore a lot more, get a lot stronger, and gather some powerful allies.
Now, he's very, very lucky in a way, because if he does actually find proof, he is someone both sides would listen to, at least assuming he didn't kill Finn himself. He knows the leaders of both groups.

 

[Pixillin']

Only on Kaija love route it may be possible to avenge Finn at the moment, as you will need to access the templar headquarters to learn how she wall killed by one of them.

That's ironic - If I still loved Kajia, avenging Finn wouldn't be important. At least I have confirmation though that the Templars killed her.