VN Ren'Py The Neverwhere Tales [v0.6.0.2] [Ceolag]

[xapican]

Honestly even if this wasn't a game I would of forgiven her and the parents rather easily. Would of not been a big issue for me as I didn't see any Malice in what they did but that is just me and my personality. I think I only would of had issue with Kaija on the non love path if there was other girls I was interested in but did nothing about because I was in a relationship with her


only one I find that has an unattractive face is Elea and Jessica tbh

You're not alone on that one, for instances, and coming back a bit on what I said some posts above, a lot of the good AVN s rattle a lot on the emotions of the player, and in a lot of them, you come across situations which trigger your emotional memory, and who has not been felt hurt and betrayed learning that the one which you mean to love, was telling you a "half truth" about her feelings.
and to be more forgiving, you need a high level of empathy, and selfcontrol to not let you ego take the best of you.
(ego is good it is there to protect us, talking in the sense of the shool of Jung.)

 

[Dessolos]

I'm finishing the last of my saves since re doing them all and man Killing Fin hits so hard especially after replaying the game on the no kill Fin path. I honestly rather her die from The Templars than my own hands everytime. Good thing I plan to only do that path on 1 save

 

[Dark Silence]

There truly is no accounting for taste..........

You know, you keep saying that, but you're always on the losing side. So, maybe it's you who has no taste.

 

[nitkonikic]

I'm finishing the last of my saves since re doing them all and man Killing Fin hits so hard especially after replaying the game on the no kill Fin path. I honestly rather her die from The Templars than my own hands everytime. Good thing I plan to only do that path on 1 save

Kudos, I can't do that route.
Tried it, had a save ready, but can't. It's all kinds of wrong.
I know Ceolag will make it playable and create unique stuff for it, but it's the only path I won't touch.

 

[Dessolos]

Kudos, I can't do that route.
Tried it, had a save ready, but can't. It's all kinds of wrong.
I know Ceolag will make it playable and create unique stuff for it, but it's the only path I won't touch.

Yeah im doing it on my pure Love Kaija love path save only where im going pro Templar. ( I got 4 Kaija love path saves) Burn bridges , Don't , cheat , and just my main save where I make choices based on how I feel rather than getting the most points.

 

[Wolfram99]

Like really ugly! And that jawline is more masculine that I can ever aspire to be.

I would say that Elea is the one who has more masculine jawline, while kaija has more issues with top down look.

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[operamini]

I don't really agree as for me it's hard to say given the time difference. We only know they been there for roughly a week could of been after Fin died or a little before considering the time difference works in the Elven realm. That and we don't know the roads either , could be she died an hour or 2 up the road where they weren't anywhere near. Also I don't see why they would stop a patrol either even if they are respected members it would come across as odd behavior if you ask me , unless they knew the mission the patrol had.

the situation they were in is the exact same as if a emissary is sent to enemy territory to stop a war, in medieval times, avoiding any possible triggers is of utmost importance, and if something does happen (someone not following orders for example) swift decisive action is the path forward to prevent the war or at least try, none of this was even attempted.

imo the story isn't being given the importance it should, i for one which was quite loving it, am ready to drop it.

 

[Dessolos]

the situation they were in is the exact same as if a emissary is sent to enemy territory to stop a war, in medieval times, avoiding any possible triggers is of utmost importance, and if something does happen (someone not following orders for example) swift decisive action is the path forward to prevent the war or at least try, none of this was even attempted.

imo the story isn't being given the importance it should, i for one which was quite loving it, am ready to drop it.

Yeah from a story telling point of view where the MC just kinda of goes on vacation and doesn't try to do a damn thing about the whole Templar and Elf thing was annoying. Despite that it is still in my top 5 for story focused AVN's and overall makes my top 10 for AVN's I like the most.

But back to the mother and Kaija stopping that patrol I just don't have enough information to say if they could of tried to stop them or even should have tried to begin with.

 

[Pixillin']

You're not alone on that one, for instances, and coming back a bit on what I said some posts above, a lot of the good AVN s rattle a lot on the emotions of the player, and in a lot of them, you come across situations which trigger your emotional memory, and who has not been felt hurt and betrayed learning that the one which you mean to love, was telling you a "half truth" about her feelings.
and to be more forgiving, you need a high level of empathy, and selfcontrol to not let you ego take the best of you.
(ego is good it is there to protect us, talking in the sense of the shool of Jung.)

I think my emotional memory is different from most people, or at least most people here. I come from a world where trust is hard earned, loyalty is absolute and betrayal is (almost) the only unforgivable sin. My inner circle is small, but everyone there earned their spot and I would kill or die for any of them. I would help them hide the body, and go with them on a suicide mission just so they didn’t have to do it alone. However, if you betray that trust and loyalty, you might as well be dead. There is no coming back. You immediately go to the enemies list.

 

[RNasc4444]

Tried it, had a save ready, but can't. It's all kinds of wrong.

I would argue that trying to kill the MC, not once but twice, was wrong. An innocent btw who didn't even have a clue Neverwhere, Elves or Templars existed a few days prior. Killing her in self defense to end the threat on his life is nothing but righteous! Even defeated there was no guarantee she wouldn't try again.

Seriously there are people in this thread whose moral compass is pointing in all the wrong directions.

 

[Maviarab]

I would argue that trying to kill the MC, not once but twice, was wrong. An innocent btw who didn't even have a clue Neverwhere, Elves or Templars existed a few days prior. Killing her in self defense to end the threat on his life is nothing but righteous! Even defeated there was no guarantee she wouldn't try again.

Seriously there are people in this thread whose moral compass is pointing in all the wrong directions.

You tell em Madge!

 

[Dr.TSoni]

Seriously there are people in this thread whose moral compass is pointing in all the wrong directions.

XD

 

[Pixillin']

I would argue that trying to kill the MC, not once but twice, was wrong. An innocent btw who didn't even have a clue Neverwhere, Elves or Templars existed a few days prior. Killing her in self defense to end the threat on his life is nothing but righteous! Even defeated there was no guarantee she wouldn't try again.

Seriously there are people in this thread whose moral compass is pointing in all the wrong directions.

I didn't / couldn't for a few reasons - first it's one thing to kill someone in an active fight. To kill someone who is disarmed and pinned, I'd have to really hate them - and I didn't even know her. I knew it wasn't personal on either side. Second, it was a good will gesture. It was an opportunity to demonstrate that I (MC) wasn't what they were expecting. Also, she had tried twice and while MC's powers are still unclear, I was pretty sure that I'd keep winning no matter how often she tried.

 

[RNasc4444]

I didn't / couldn't for a few reasons - first it's one thing to kill someone in an active fight. To kill someone who is disarmed and pinned, I'd have to really hate them - and I didn't even know her. I knew it wasn't personal on either side. Second, it was a good will gesture. It was an opportunity to demonstrate that I (MC) wasn't what they were expecting. Also, she had tried twice and while MC's powers are still unclear, I was pretty sure that I'd keep winning no matter how often she tried.

I didn't kill her either but my argument is simply that killing her wouldn't be wrong, it would be righteous and justified.

Do you think you'd still win if she slit your throat during your sleep? Or stabbed you in the back as you turned away?

 

[xapican]

I didn't kill her either but my argument is simply that killing her wouldn't be wrong, it would be righteous and justified.

Do you think you'd still win if she slit your throat during your sleep? Or stabbed you in the back as you turned away?

Although, I see clearly your point here, and agree with the "in selfdefense" killing.
And you're not wrong about the other 2 points either.
She showed some kind of "respect to the rules and customs of the Alfar" (she could have killed MC directly on the way back as she walked behind them) and to be honest what great punishment would she face from her father, mother, or the Alfar if she killed MC on their territory ?
the only witness would have been her father.

 

[Dessolos]

I think my emotional memory is different from most people, or at least most people here. I come from a world where trust is hard earned, loyalty is absolute and betrayal is (almost) the only unforgivable sin. My inner circle is small, but everyone there earned their spot and I would kill or die for any of them. I would help them hide the body, and go with them on a suicide mission just so they didn’t have to do it alone. However, if you betray that trust and loyalty, you might as well be dead. There is no coming back. You immediately go to the enemies list.

I always been the type that trust too easily and finds it hard to not trust someone once I started to enjoy spending time with them. Even if they might have wronged me in some way. As long as I still liked the person and wanted to keep them as friend that is. That would of been the case with both Kaija and the parents for me. I wouldn't want to lose anyone close to that in my life.

As for me ive learned to value the time and friendship I have with anyone and not hold grudges even if I may not like the person I would still treat them as a friend. Tho this probably because I wasn't a very social person and after High School. So most of my friends were only my online friends after I graduated due to me not being a social person and an introvert. So I grown to cherish the time I have with anyone that wasn't spent online and became very forgiving and understanding.

 

[Pixillin']

I didn't kill her either but my argument is simply that killing her wouldn't be wrong, it would be righteous and justified.

Do you think you'd still win if she slit your throat during your sleep? Or stabbed you in the back as you turned away?

She doesn't seem the type to do it that way but probably. At any rate MC didn't have much to loose at that point. He'd just lost his girlfriend/childhood best friend and his parents. Other than his sister and a crappy job, he didn't have much to go back to, so I put all of my chips on the table.

 

[Elduriel]

I didn't kill her either but my argument is simply that killing her wouldn't be wrong, it would be righteous and justified.

Justified probably. But I'd argue with righteous.

 

[e6mill]

Would she have accepted MC's surrender? And it's not not like she had any motive beyond that of a simple mugging anyway. She just wanted the sword.

 

[prpa]

I would argue that trying to kill the MC, not once but twice, was wrong. An innocent btw who didn't even have a clue Neverwhere, Elves or Templars existed a few days prior. Killing her in self defense to end the threat on his life is nothing but righteous! Even defeated there was no guarantee she wouldn't try again.

Seriously there are people in this thread whose moral compass is pointing in all the wrong directions.

There’s a crucial difference between killing someone in immediate self-defense and choosing to execute a disarmed person simply because they might pose a threat in the future.

Killing her after disarming her isn’t moral, it's just punitive.