VN Ren'Py The Neverwhere Tales [v0.6.0.2] [Ceolag]

[Wolfram99]

Grateful - When people recognize the sacrifices made by someone that loves you.

And I find that bad writing.

Ch.6 shits on her stoic character of doing bad things for the greater good, into she just lied and said one of the worst things to protect herself.

 

[FatGiant]

well, I have my opinion, you have yours. I don't like her, never will, and I think she is badly written for the reasons I mentioned above.

I wish I could help you.

You go into your analysis of her, with "I don't like her, never will" attitude. You play the game signaling the code that you want that specific version of her, and with that you get the version you dislike, giving you confirmation that you were right to dislike her..........................................................

I dunno if there's even anything to do to help. Or any point even...

Peace

 

[xapican]

I wish I could help you.

You go into your analysis of her, with "I don't like her, never will" attitude. You play the game signaling the code that you want that specific version of her, and with that you get the version you dislike, giving you confirmation that you were right to dislike her..........................................................

I dunno if there's even anything to do to help. Or any point even...

Peace

No there isn't Kaija is like Ballet, either you like it or not, simple.
and Elduriel loves to troll me a bit and banter around with Kaiju

 

[Elduriel]

I wish I could help you.

You go into your analysis of her, with "I don't like her, never will" attitude. You play the game signaling the code that you want that specific version of her, and with that you get the version you dislike, giving you confirmation that you were right to dislike her..........................................................

I dunno if there's even anything to do to help. Or any point even...

Peace

fuck do you mean help me? I need help coz I don't like a character in a fictional story? Grow up man. I'm allowed to dislike things. I never once said I want the story to change, or that you should change your preferences. Just voiced my own opinion of it.

 

[xapican]

I'm allowed to dislike things.

No, you're not .......

 

[Dessolos]

I wish I could help you.

You go into your analysis of her, with "I don't like her, never will" attitude. You play the game signaling the code that you want that specific version of her, and with that you get the version you dislike, giving you confirmation that you were right to dislike her..........................................................

I dunno if there's even anything to do to help. Or any point even...

Peace

I mean im a Kaija lover but I have to agree with saying she isn't written all that well other than the small changes here and there. I mean Chapter 6 made her reason for being so loyal to the Templars kind of underwhelming for me which makes her loyalty kind of feel meh to me on the love path.

I mean I understand why someone would not like her I disagree how that is more because of my personality and certain context in the story that makes me forgive her and be so understanding of her. However there is plenty to not like about her.

 

[Elduriel]

No, you're not .......

 

[xapican]

I mean Chapter 6 made her reason for being so loyal to the Templars kind of underwhelming for me which makes her loyalty kind of feel meh to me on the love path.

Kaija was only Loyal to the Principles taught by her Grandpa, the Templars were always just a path, to redeem the lost "honor" of her linage, (and how, Tremonia already pointed out, Einjarman have failed already) She started to question, her believes in this last chapter.
More so as MC tells (If player chooses) to go her own path.

 

[Wolfram99]

More so as MC tells (If player chooses) to go her own path.

Umm, at what point is that said? Or is it attributing the MC's push for Kaija to figure out what "she" currently wants and not some old promises
After einharjar expo dump its only together or break up choice.

 

[xapican]

Umm, at what point is that said? Or is it attributing the MC's push for Kaija to figure out what "she" currently wants and not some old promises
After einharjar expo dump its only together or break up choice.

You know exactly how MC answers, when they are at the pool, you as player have 2 options there.
one implies this for me ,
Edit yes it is that what I meant

 

[Wolfram99]

You know exactly how MC answers, when they are at the pool, you as player have 2 options there.
one implies this for me ,
Edit yes it is that what I meant

Both of these choices lead to the same dialogue, just that first one is being blunt about einharjar.

 

[Knightcvel]

Most of my ranting about Kaija was based on the path MC isn't in love with her. She is an entirely different character and is despicable without any redeeming qualities, only fanaticism. I believe most of her haters here followed the same initial path as me but those who followed a love path were not exposed to her words and attitudes that made most of us hate her. She is not like Steph in Leap of Faith in this path who has one personality and was unable to contact that MC. The Kaija in friendly or hate route is horrible, and act as a fanatic all the time. She is totally the oposite to the Kaija that most love and cherish, as if she was a fifth main character but totally irredeemable. She doesn't love or regret anything when talking to MC and says that it's her job and would do everything again and that she never loved him in reality and that it was just an act and she accepted just because the council asked her, including MC's father which makes his family even more horrible. In this path, the only templar who is kind to MC and was against these manipulations is Linnae. I suggest to Kaija fanbase that they play as a not lover, and you will not recognize her.

 

[prpa]

Most of my ranting about Kaija was based on the path MC isn't in love with her. She is an entirely different character and is despicable without any redeeming qualities, only fanaticism. I believe most of her haters here followed the same initial path as me but those who followed a love path were not exposed to her words and attitudes that made most of us hate her. She is not like Steph in Leap of Faith in this path who has one personality and was unable to contact that MC. The Kaija in friendly or hate route is horrible, and act as a fanatic all the time. She is totally the oposite to the Kaija that most love and cherish, as if she was a fifth main character but totally irredeemable. She doesn't love or regret anything when talking to MC and says that it's her job and would do everything again and that she never loved him in reality and that it was just an act and she accepted just because the council asked her, including MC's father which makes his family even more horrible. In this path, the only templar who is kind to MC and was against these manipulations is Linnae. I suggest to Kaija fanbase that they play as a not lover, and you will not recognize her.

I did, and you’re wrong, her life has unraveled too. What some people perceive as coldness, I see as her being withdrawn. She’s hurting as well, especially because MC has been antagonistic toward her. Do you really think she should just sit back quietly while MC is being horrible and causing her pain?

Why are people so stubborn about trying to change the minds of us Kaija lovers? I know you hate her with passion, but does it really hurt you that much that we love her?

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[Knightcvel]

I did, and you’re wrong, her life has unraveled too. What some people perceive as coldness, I see as her being withdrawn. She’s hurting as well, especially because MC has been antagonistic toward her. Do you really think she should just sit back quietly while MC is being horrible and causing her pain?

Why are people so stubborn about trying to change the minds of us Kaija lovers? I know you hate her with passion, but does it really hurt you that much that we love her?


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I have no problem with her lovers, no problem at all. Actually I understand their point of view. I may be biased but that's because I didn't followed your path from the start. She doesn't seem to show any remorse as in the scene where she calls MC to meet her at the park. There isn't any scene where she cries under the shower and she doesn't call you back to tell she is in Neverwhere. Also, when Linnae urge them to talk she is defensive, remorseless and won't apologize and in this path MC's father is the one who ordered her to be his watcher. She takes everything professionaly and says she never loved MC and won't regret doing what the templars ordered her to do. It was the path I followed at first and at the time I was not even aware that there would be an entire different Kaija in the game. Actually I never saw a character having two different personalities but with the same background before. It was the first time. As I have read in the developer's posts in Patreon, he seems to regret how he created two different personas for the same character. But I understand that in a game with four LI's it's necessary that in 75% of the time you have a good reason to dump her and pursue another LI and also have good reasons to mend things with her in the only remaning loving path among three others.

 

[Wolfram99]

She’s hurting as well, especially because MC has been antagonistic toward her. Do you really think she should just sit back quietly while MC is being horrible and causing her pain?

We are only shown her crying(hurting) in the shower on the max LP route.

he seems to regret how he created two different personas for the same character.

i think Ceo's regret is making Kaija into default GF, she would have caught way less flak if she didnt betray MC from the beginning.

 

[Tremonia]

She doesn't seem to show any remorse as in the scene where she calls MC to meet her at the park. There isn't any scene where she cries under the shower and she doesn't call you back to tell she is in Neverwhere. Also, when Linnae urge them to talk she is defensive, remorseless and won't apologize and in this path MC's father is the one who ordered her to be his watcher. She takes everything professionaly and says she never loved MC and won't regret doing what the templars ordered her to do.

Maybe she didn't faked the relationship and it was her way to give MC an easy opt out on that route, because obviously their relationship was a little bit tensed as you can see when you don't get the early relationship points. You've to act more cold towards her to get on her "it was just friendship" path. Acting cold isn't helpful in a relationship. What if she does love him but recognized her jobs hurts MC and their relationship way too much and with the truth about being a Templar on the table, she decided to sacrifice herself to give MC the opportunity to start new?

The lodge talk with Kaija gives us many informations about her feelings and why she acted like she did. For starters she told MC she had a crush on him since they were teens. At that point, she already knew about the Templars and what his father was. She goes on to say that her initial reaction to the Council's idea was that she was happy. It was only after a few seconds that it occurred to her that it was a bad idea. She also says that she thought that if she told MC she had never loved him and that he hated her for it, it would be easier for her to deal with the situation. Perhaps easier for MC as well. She also says that she thought it would be better to keep her distance, even if it meant lying. It seemed easier to her. She wanted to give MC a reason to move on.

The crucial point is: if MC acts coldly towards Kaija after all the revelations, she decides that it is better to just continue as friends. However, if MC is less “cold,” she reveals that she has missed him since the whole shitshow started and that she loves him. So she has loved him all along, and it is simply the cooled-off relationship, which she naturally contributed to with her lie and her behavior afterwards, that makes her decide not to continue.

What I don't understand is... so many people have already explained this in this thread. Yet I never see you acknowledging any of these points in your argument. Instead, you constantly brush aside any facts that don't fit your narrative and insist on your point of view, which simply doesn't stand up to scrutiny. You don't have to like Kaija. She's just a character in a fictional story. But you should at least acknowledge the content of the story as it is and not just rearrange it.

 

[HornyyPussy]

Oh for fuck sake, enough with the Kaija hate. We get it, you think she betrayed the MC. That's fine, it's your opinion and not more right or wrong than any other but can we PLEASE talk about something else in here.....

 

[Elduriel]

Oh for fuck sake, enough with the Kaija hate. We get it, you think she betrayed the MC. That's fine, it's your opinion and not more right or wrong than any other but can we PLEASE talk about something else in here.....

so, nice weather, right?

 

[HornyyPussy]

so, nice weather, right?

Yeah, it's sunny here and the temp has gone down a little so it's nice!

 

[Crashbullet]

Oh for fuck sake, enough with the Kaija hate. We get it, you think she betrayed the MC. That's fine, it's your opinion and not more right or wrong than any other but can we PLEASE talk about something else in here.....

How was the meeting between the "Master Templar and the King of the Elves" yesterday? I'm afraid if we talk about something else, the moderators will moderate us