VN Ren'Py The Neverwhere Tales [v0.7.0] [Ceolag]

[Raziel_8]

Fiona is REALLY interesting and my type too,BUT she's playing the same game like Kaija did,not REALLY lies but leaving out alot of information.

Not really, she says really early that there are a couple of things she doesn't want to speak about just yet.
The things she doesn't say is in the end just personal stuff, hard for her and doesn't really affect the MC, plus she upfront tells you there are things she won't tell you yet, but she will.

Medb IS THAT interesting to ME ,i could say like "Fuck all this templar bullshit,i have enough" to be really tempted to leave the humans to be with her.

I hope this changes next ep, on the last trip to Alfheimr Medb was mostly sidelined while Fin had the frontstage.
Leaving the whole crap behind and having a nice life in Alfheimr with Medb sounds nice.

Yes,I as the MC ,is still hurt and pissed,BUT leaving a girl who clearly loves me and is hurt the most cuz of her actions?Fearing and almost shattered cuz she will loose her LOVE of her lifetime cuz she was forced to HIDE things from the MC to protect him?
Nope,just won't work for me,sorry.

As i played the game the first time, with choices like i would do.
She told flat out she never loved the MC and it was just to make the work easier for her, followed by a lot of talk about duty, then leaving my MC alone on his first trip in neverwher (rather as to protect him like what was supposed her duty) because she was rather fighting hellspawn.

And that pretty much made me dislike her from the get to go. Same as i can't stand the templars and the parents.

 

[Knightcvel]

uhm i'm sure Kaija was 18 when she was forced to pursue MC,and the Grand Master intervened,did he not?
Holy shit those Alpha/Sigma Movement really need some reallity check.
BTW. this is FICTION in a FICTIONAL world.

She was training during her late childhood and teenager years and she was already neighbour and friend of MC and Jessica. So she was hiding the truth much before becoming an adult.

 

[Knightcvel]

As i played the game the first time, with choices like i would do.
She told flat out she never loved the MC and it was just to make the work easier for her, followed by a lot of talk about duty, then leaving my MC alone on his first trip in neverwher (rather as to protect him like what was supposed her duty) because she was rather fighting hellspawn.

And that pretty much made me dislike her from the get to go. Same as i can't stand the templars and the parents.

The same for me. My first contact with Kaija was in the no love path. She acted as a bitch without any regard to MC feelings. Most of Kaija's fans have followed her love path from start and fail to see that she was inconsiderate and brainwashed in the alternative path.

 

[ename144]

I've played through a decent chunk of the new update, and while I doubt many people are clamoring for my opinion on it, I still want to offer my feedback. I'll try to keep it brief, though it's me so that only goes so far.

Thankfully Chapter 7 is a substantial improvement over Chapter 6. We don't get any major plot advancement, but the MC is not burying his head in work emails this time and we do learn a little more about him (and Jess). More importantly, we get much needed developments for Fiona and Elea's branches (albeit only if you are on their path). The artistic direction is consistently high quality throughout, and I thought the music fit very well with the action. I still find the lopsided nature of branches in this game concerning and a lot of the explanations for obvious questions are lacking, but at least I'm back to wanting to see what happens next.

I'll put the more detailed thoughts in spoilers.

Spoiler: Chapter 7 - The Girls

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Spoiler: Chapter 7 - The Story

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So that's my take on the new chapter. I know my comments can frequently come across as overly negative, so I want to emphasize that I did enjoy the update despite the flaws. Here's hoping Chapter 8 will be even better. <fingers crossed!>

tl;dr I feel like this is the update Chapter 6 should have been.

 

[DarkOs31]

As i played the game the first time, with choices like i would do.
She told flat out she never loved the MC and it was just to make the work easier for her, followed by a lot of talk about duty, then leaving my MC alone on his first trip in neverwher (rather as to protect him like what was supposed her duty) because she was rather fighting hellspawn.

THAT's just not true,MAYBE if you didn't get enough points with her that's the outcome.I really don't know.
If you are on her path,YES she'll hide everything UNTIL the mercenaries approach you,the driver dies in the accident.
Meanwhile Kaija gives a shit about her Mission, for the first time she dissobeys her ORDER to protect you.
She's driving on her bike,terrorized of fear mumbling "dont be late,please dont be to late" to get to you as fast as possible.
She crashed her bike into 2 mercenaries when she finally arrived at the scene,rolling over to MC,mumbling "are you hurt,are you hurt" .
Then she gives MC her gun to distract the mercs. , cuz 10 mercs. is even for her too much if MC don't distract them.
Then they do bonny n clyde stuff,Kaija takes out 8 mercs with MC's help,mc takes out 1 merc and they fight the leader of the mercs. , on MY path i killed the leader and Kaija falls in your arms crying and saying "Why did you shot him,i never wanted you to be in a situation to take a life."
Then they arrive at MC's home ,your mom and Kaija tell you finally the truth while Kaija rushes your mom to tell everything.
Kaija admit she was forced to be his bodyguard,she also admit the council TRIED TO FORCE her into a relationship with you.
She refused and so did your dad,BUT after almost 15years of friendship while having a crush on you she falls hard for you,which she never expected.Cuz it would be the easy win-win.
BUT she fell in love with the boy she always had a crush for.
MC is kinda freaking out in a calm or stormy way,depends how you react.
THEN Kaija offers to leave ,her last mumbling words are "i love you!more than you think!"


Does this mirror your cold hearted,calculating,lying bitch you picture her cuz you weren't on her path?

 

[DarkOs31]

The same for me. My first contact with Kaija was in the no love path. She acted as a bitch without any regard to MC feelings. Most of Kaija's fans have followed her love path from start and fail to see that she was inconsiderate and brainwashed in the alternative path.

But that's the point,NO?
Ofcourse the dev will picture her in a different way,contradicting the love path to be interrested in other girls.
I'm NOT saying ceolag couldn't have shown her in a better light,but that's just captivating storrytelling.

 

[ename144]

Not really, she says really early that there are a couple of things she doesn't want to speak about just yet.
The things she doesn't say is in the end just personal stuff, hard for her and doesn't really affect the MC, plus she upfront tells you there are things she won't tell you yet, but she will.

Well, to be a little hard on Fiona, she didn't mention the MC's bloodline even though (assuming the MC opened up to her) I thought he made it very clear that he had no idea why any of this was happening to him. I'm not sure why Fiona would still assume he knew his heritage at that point, given that he didn't mention it in his summary, was clearly grasping at straws over Jess' condition, and repeatedly expressed his frustration at his parents concealing everything form them.

Personally, I wouldn't consider it a deal breaker, but I do think the omission was more about Fiona wanting to avoid the questions such information would raise than it was about her genuinely thinking the MC must already know.

 

[DarkOs31]

She was training during her late childhood and teenager years and she was already neighbour and friend of MC and Jessica. So she was hiding the truth much before becoming an adult.

Are you drunk?
Training Martial arts is the same as becoming a Templar??

 

[Raziel_8]

THAT's just not true,MAYBE if you didn't get enough points with her that's the outcome.I really don't know.
If you are on her path,YES she'll hide everything UNTIL the mercenaries approach you,the driver dies in the accident.
Meanwhile Kaija gives a shit about her Mission, for the first time she dissobeys her ORDER to protect you.
She's driving on her bike,terrorized of fear mumbling "dont be late,please dont be to late" to get to you as fast as possible.
She crashed her bike into 2 mercenaries when she finally arrived at the scene,rolling over to MC,mumbling "are you hurt,are you hurt" .
Then she gives MC her gun to distract the mercs. , cuz 10 mercs. is even for her too much if MC don't distract them.
Then they do bonny n clyde stuff,Kaija takes out 8 mercs with MC's help,mc takes out 1 merc and they fight the leader of the mercs. , on MY path i killed the leader and Kaija falls in your arms crying and saying "Why did you shot him,i never wanted you to be in a situation to take a life."
Then they arrive at MC's home ,your mom and Kaija tell you finally the truth while Kaija üushes your mom to tell everything.
Kaija admit she was forced to be his bodyguard,she also admit the council TRIED TO FORCE her into a relationship with you.
She refused and so did your dad,BUT after almost 15years of friendship while having a crush on you she falls hard for you,which she never expected.Cuz it would be the easy win-win.
BUT she fell in love with the boy she always had a crush for.
MC is kinda freaking out in a calm or stormy way,depends how you react.
THEN Kaija offers to leave ,her last mumbling words are "i love you!more than you think!"


Does this mirror your cold hearted,calculating,lying bitch you picture her cuz you weren't on her path?

No that is completely true, there are several paths for her and yes, i played all paths, that was just my first run, which set the tone for me.
There are i think 3 outcomes for Kaija.
The one you talk about, the love path. Second one is she wasn't in love first, but with time she did. Third path she never was in love with the MC. The tone is very different depending on which path you are.
She also doesn't disobey orders to save the MC on that path. The first time she disobeys orders on that path is when she was ordered to keep the MC safe, which she ignores to fight hellspawns with the elves.

 

[Rehwyn]

If Fiona is what I think she is, I suspect the conflict she mentioned might be The Troubles.

Called it.

Though admittedly I thought it more likely she was Aos Si rather than full Tuatha de Danann.

The same for me. My first contact with Kaija was in the no love path. She acted as a bitch without any regard to MC feelings. Most of Kaija's fans have followed her love path from start and fail to see that she was inconsiderate and brainwashed in the alternative path.

As a Kaija fan, I do see she comes off that way in the no love path.

But that's basically an alternate universe version of her from my perspective, because on my canon love path with her, none of that happened and her motives are vastly different. So it has no bearing on how I see her in a love path.

I do get that not everyone can mentally separate like that though, particularly if the no love path was their first impression.

 

[Malicre]

Jesus the Kaija war is back.

TLDR: people have already chosen sides regarding kaija and your not going to sway anyone either way.

 

[Rehwyn]

Jesus the Kaija war is back.

TLDR: people have already chosen sides regarding kaija and your not going to sway anyone either way.

Honestly, wouldn't surprise me if it comes up basically any time any other LI reveals some secret about themselves. And we're probably not done with that quite yet.

Edit: On that note ...

Kate, being related to Mac (who I suspect is Tuatha de Danann), is probably also not entirely a normal human. I'll honestly be surprised if there's any major characters that aren't tied to Neverwhere or the main story in some way.

Though in Kate's case, if she is in fact blood related to Mac, it wouldn't surprise me if she's in the dark about everything like MC was.

 

[Malicre]

Honestly, wouldn't surprise me if it comes up basically any time any other LI reveals some secret about themselves. And we're probably not done with that quite yet.

I'm actually shocked Medb is as popular as she is. Usually the incel crowd tends to stay away from milfs that actually have children and/or was married before, usually they run around screaming NTR NTR NTR.

It's also the same people saying "why is there no Medb content" when there's literally been no relationship buildup outside of one chapter and generally milf's take a long time to thaw compared to the younger girls but people are going crazy expecting her to jump right into the mc's lap after their first meeting.

Personally i don't like any of the LI's outside of Medb and while there isn't any content with her i do enjoy the side girls like Linnae and Kate so those two will hold me over for awhile.

 

[DarkOs31]

Honestly, wouldn't surprise me if it comes up basically any time any other LI reveals some secret about themselves. And we're probably not done with that quite yet.

I admit i'm at fault too.
But i also like Medb,Fiona and Finnabair.
I just think it's unfair to target Kaija without playing her path till the end...
I NEVER shittalked about other hot LI's or side LI's...
But whenever someone mentions Kaija Hell will break loose.

 

[Elduriel]

Jesus the Kaija war is back.

if I had a gun with two bullets, and I was in a room with Hitler, Bin Laden and Kaiju, I would shoot Kaiju twice

 

[Malicre]

I admit i'm at fault too.
But i also like Medb,Fiona and Finnabair.
I just think it's unfair to target Kaija without playing her path till the end...
I NEVER shittalked about other hot LI's or side LI's...
But whenever someone mentions Kaija Hell will break loose.

That's the problem with games that have multiple love interests AND branching paths. Most people won't play routes that they have no interest in. Dev's want you to play all of their content but most people can't give a fuck. They pick the LI or LIs they are interested in, make the choices they would in real life and pass on everything else. Very few people will go back and complete a game more then once.

 

[Rehwyn]

I admit i'm at fault too.
But i also like Medb,Fiona and Finnabair.
I just think it's unfair to target Kaija without playing her path till the end...
I NEVER shittalked about other hot LI's or side LI's...
But whenever someone mentions Kaija Hell will break loose.

I getcha. Kaija love is my main save.

I've just come to accept by now that I'm not going to be able to charge some people's opinions here.

if I had a gun with two bullets, and I was in a room with Hitler, Bin Laden and Kaiju, I would shoot Kaiju twice

Just to end these arguments, right?

.... Right?

That's the problem with games that have multiple love interests AND branching paths. Most people won't play routes that they have no interest in. Dev's want you to play all of their content but most people can't give a fuck. They pick the LI or LIs they are interested in, make the choices they would in real life and pass on everything else. Very few people will go back and complete a game more then once.

This is actually a huge reason I generally prefer poly or harem games.

I almost never have the time and interest to do more than 1-2 full playthroughs, and just skipping through on alt paths breaks my immersion. And so I end up missing large chunks of AVNs that force early relationship branching.

TNT is one of the few monogamous only (for main LIs) AVNs I read because I enjoy the other aspects of it enough. And I still only have 2 current playthroughs.

 

[Raziel_8]

But nowadays only YOUR truth,YOUR way of thinking is the REAL truth.
I don't care if you forgot how to communicate to people in RL,BUT stop blaming the Kaija fan's who are ONLY interrested in her on her path.

What are you on about ?
I don't blame anyone for playing as they as they want.
What i told was merley the first impression i got from her, and telling you that there are several paths and these paths are just as true as the love path.

As a Kaija fan, I do see she comes off that way in the no love path.

But that's basically an alternate universe version of her from my perspective, because on my canon love path with her, none of that happened and her motives are vastly different. So it has no bearing on how I see her in a love path.

I do get that not everyone can mentally separate like that though, particularly if the no love path was their first impression.

More like confusing for some, which don't know about the differences in her paths.
And some of us have have choosen the no-love path as their canon path.

 

[Elduriel]

Just to end these arguments, right?

.... Right?

 

[MagicMan753]

It's also the same people saying "why is there no Medb content" when there's literally been no relationship buildup outside of one chapter and generally milf's take a long time to thaw compared to the younger girls but people are going crazy expecting her to jump right into the mc's lap after their first meeting.

And this is the crux of the problem, no relationship building. None. I don't think she should straight up jump on our dick fist scene, but you should be able to build the relationship in any sort of way, just something. Her romance and content is just starting too late.

Instead, what do Medb fans have to look forward to. Maybe a scene or two, very little relationship stuff and an ending, while the other three get substantial content, romance, lewds, etc. I just think Medb could of been treated better and her path progressed better.