Ren'Py The Null Hypothesis [v0.6a.beta] [Ron Chon]

[DarkLurker12]

The only character who I know canonically does this is Emma Frost. I have plans of holding our writers at gunpoint for this to be the way Emma realizes her powers don't work on you IF we get around to featuring her that heavily.

We NEED to have this if/when she's added.

Start it off simple and silly with her having trouble adjusting to needing to actually dress the part around Null lest she be caught in her jammies during the epic battle or school assembly. Over time it could lead to either a mild exhibition kink or a humiliation kink depending on if she gets off on getting ousted by Null or on Null in particular being able to see the truth.

My money being on the exhibition kink, with it going from "only Null can see her in her laundry day comfies as she chaperones the prom" to "only Null can see her in her fav micro bikini as she tans at the pool". Never truely indecent, just inappropriate. With only telepaths like Jean having the natural defences to know what's going on even if she never "sees" it.

 

[DarkLurker12]

I really like we can the girls to make null-designed pubic to show who they belong to buy the problem is nobody can see it except us and the girls. Hope we can give them an accessory later that can be worn outside and show everyone who the girls belong to

A necklace or bracelet for Jean, collars for Rogue and Laura. Laura will ofcourse get you a collar too, so those harlots know who owns your ass so you can match.

 

[ShinyBoots1993]

Xavier/Jean/Emma is complicit. Just like how he can erase the perception of someone in an area effectively turning them invisible to the naked eye, he can also blanket the area Zero is in and make it appear wholesome to the casual observer(with due consideration to other girls already initiated). When people are cheering on, are they cheering a public sex act or what they believe to be a tv showing a game of the Mets?

Okay that extends to Xavier casting an illusion on the entire student body which you didn't mention and again, Null wouldn't brainwash Xavier like Zero would. Null wouldn't have the material to blackmail Xavier as he's not the same level of creep RLE's Xavier is.

1. I have literally never seen red kryptonite used in porn, ever. only green kryptonite. I am sure it exists but it is rare.
2. Red kryptonite usually does not depower them. so they will still rip you apart during sex.
3. still an expensive super rare space rock compared to literally just having red sunlight initiating bulbs

Also, here is a list of the canon effects of red kryptonite

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obviously you won't get such a bulb from walmart. and wrapping red cellophane over a regular bulb won't do it.
but it is absolutely entirely possible to generate artificially via more expensive specialist bulbs. and is in fact done in canon frequently.

Okay guys more than a little off topic.

Technically pink is light red, so...

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Pink Kryptonite makes Superman gay. Also video source?

Man i can just picture it, the team its off to face the White Queen, and everyone is looking at Frost in her usual scantly clad, perfect looks, then Null shows up and its just Emma in sweatpants, crocs and messy morning hair looking annoyed.

I love it.

One could make a case for each individual girl being simply unwilling to do anything with an audience (or at least an audience outside the harem). Every single one being totally against it may strain credulity as the number of girls grows.

The average human would not be up to having an entire student body watch them fuck in the quad without memory erasure.

There would be no straining of credulity as very few people would actually risk ending up on the sex offender list

It's because it's a porn game. Thus, operates on porn logic.

We've clearly established that TNH doesn't take place in a world that operates on porn logic.

In RLE, Prof. X psychically knows if you're fucking in public. No one reports it because everyone knows he psychically keeps tab on everyone. Even when you get to a point in the game where he's suppose to leave you alone when you fuck in public, there's always a dialogue that indicates he knows it's happening, he's just turning a blind eye.

That doesn't explain why the student's don't report it and if Xavier doesn't do anything why don't they report it to someone else?

If Xavier just continuously mind controls/wipes people I understand, but again that's not how our Xavier works.

Over time it could lead to either a mild exhibition kink or a humiliation kink depending on if she gets off on getting ousted by Null or on Null in particular being able to see the truth.

I first suggested Emma could take Null to a sex club. Just her and him doing it so the NTR bros couldn't complain. Got told no because it was "too kinky." I suggested to the writers that Emma could just mask the scene that no one but her and Null would actually know what's going on. Despite the fact that no one would be aware of it, the writers still said no.

Ultimately we can't force the writers to write something they're uncomfortable with.

 

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Pink Kryptonite makes Superman gay.

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[DarkLurker12]

I first suggested Emma could take Null to a sex club. Just her and him doing it so the NTR bros couldn't complain. Got told no because it was "too kinky." I suggested to the writers that Emma could just mask the scene that no one but her and Null would actually know what's going on. Despite the fact that no one would be aware of it, the writers still said no.

Ultimately we can't force the writers to write something they're uncomfortable with.

Im currious as to why. Honestly I'm cool with no humiliation as that's not my kink, but do the writers also not want any level of exhibition?

 

[sleepingkirby]

That doesn't explain why the student's don't report it and if Xavier doesn't do anything why don't they report it to someone else?

Considering Zero is fucking all the other teachers, who are they going to report to? Also, all the teachers report to him. But also also, when you're (in the game) fucking someone in public, they (the students) are all cheering for you.

But yeah, it's mostly porn logic. It's not there to make sense, mostly as an excuse. A deus ex machina. I'm just writing to answer the question. I'm not saying the answer makes sense any more sense then the stereotypical plots in porn. Quite frankly, I'm surprised Kitty hasn't gotten stuck in a wall with no pants or underwear in RLE yet.

If Xavier just continuously mind controls/wipes people I understand, but again that's not how our Xavier works.

Agreed considering he's not fantasizing about free-balling it in his wheel chair or fantasizing about Jean in an inappropriate manner (all things that happened in RLE).

 

[Casted420]

I'm surprised Kitty hasn't gotten stuck in a wall with no pants or underwear in RLE yet.

Song "Stuck in the middle with you" suddenly gets a whole new meaning.

 

[armond]

Im currious as to why. Honestly I'm cool with no humiliation as that's not my kink, but do the writers also not want any level of exhibition?

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It seems they have a specific story they want to tell, and they do seem to lean more toward femdom, so I would expect the girls to always be mostly in control only ever allowing null to do things, despite the ludo thirsty jean

 

[Casted420]

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Anal beads? Writers don't like anal beads? Well, I'mean to each their own, surly.

 

[salscou]

and they do seem to lean more toward femdom

I hope that with the character choices you get to dictate that a bit, i dont want my "fuck yeah, im an X-men, who wants their ass kicked first?!" Null to be stuck as a passive.

Anal beads? Writers don't like anal beads? Well, I'mean to each their own, surly.

And i was looking fowardto shoving them in Jean

 

[destroyerofassholes]

It's because it's a porn game. Thus, operates on porn logic.
By that reasoning, no porn game could ever include certain kinks like exhibitionism or corruption.
If you guys wanted to include public sex, you could, and it wouldn't be to any detriment of what you're writing.
If you want to keep it in private, then that's ok too, but the excuse itself doesn't hold much.

Yes, but there is something called suspending your sense of disbelief. And there are limits to that, even in fiction and thus you don't get free reign with everything unless you set it up to do what it is you want to do.

I can't take half of RLE seriously for that reason alone, it's very contrived. "But it's a porn game lol you don't take it seriously" is an understandable argument and I agree to some extent in that some sacrifices do need to be made for any sex beyond the most vanilla to happen, but when something makes sense or is somewhat plausible it also enhances the experience of everything else. Porn logic as an excuse is the biggest reason why the vast, vast majority of games on this site have terrible writing, it's tolerated.

Not that this game is free of its own issues, of course. I don't buy Jean's quirk and I don't buy how everyone is fine with us having a harem (though I hypocritically do like it) but outright exhibitionism at school is a far tougher sell. Maybe they could do it but it would need some decent build up from the beginning.

 

[salscou]

I don't buy how everyone is fine with us having a harem

You know whats funny?
With Zero's dialogue, i can totally buy him getting a harem and being school champ, but with Null? it doesnt work aswell, in my second run doing 1 girl only i can say the game feels much better, since its just about (your) adventures as an X-man with your mutant GF on the side.

 

[Casted420]

You know whats funny?
With Zero's dialogue, i can totally buy him getting a harem and being school champ, but with Null? it doesnt work aswell, in my second run doing 1 girl only i can say the game feels much better, since its just about (your) adventures as an X-man with your mutant GF on the side.

What I THINK a major misconception is that people think that TNH is a harem game where the goal is to fuck em all is...well...the goal. It is not. It's a porn game with a story that has an ability to build your harem but it's not the main focus. In RLE it is. There is literally NOTHING to do apart from maxing out your stats with the girls (I'm not saying it's bad just pointing out the focus) that automatically leads to one form of sexual relationship or other.

 

[salscou]

What I THINK a major misconception is that people think that TNH is a harem game where the goal is to fuck em all is...well...the goal. It is not.

Yeah of course, they are very different, im just saying that for me, it feels weird to be polyamorous in this game, i dont know, doesnt feel like something Null would do, you know?

 

[bismism]

What I THINK a major misconception is that people think that TNH is a harem game where the goal is to fuck em all is...well...the goal. It is not. It's a porn game with a story that has an ability to build your harem but it's not the main focus. In RLE it is. There is literally NOTHING to do apart from maxing out your stats with the girls (I'm not saying it's bad just pointing out the focus) that automatically leads to one form of sexual relationship or other.

Big agreement with this. I think part of the issue is that there doesn't currently appear to be much else to do because of the early state of the game, but this will hopefully change as more chapters release. We have the classes and such, but these almost feel like secondary stat trackers at present.

Yeah of course, they are very different, im just saying that for me, it feels weird to be polyamorous in this game, i dont know, doesnt feel like something Null would do, you know?

Certainly not without proper motivation, which largely seems to be for better or worse a sort of "Oh. I - and seemingly I alone - can fix them" compulsion. Null seems to love putting broken women back together, and the polyamory is just a byproduct of this rather than the core intent of the character (which is very much my speed on things lmao).

 

[armond]

What I THINK a major misconception is that people think that TNH is a harem game where the goal is to fuck em all is...well...the goal. It is not. It's a porn game with a story that has an ability to build your harem but it's not the main focus. In RLE it is. There is literally NOTHING to do apart from maxing out your stats with the girls (I'm not saying it's bad just pointing out the focus) that automatically leads to one form of sexual relationship or other.

Narratively you're right about null, but gameplay wise it's the same as rle, and not that dissimilar Narratively now that I think about it. It really is just the tone, constantly slaping your hand and saying "NO!" whenever you try anything, which happens in rle as well but it can be bypassed there. I'm also sad to say that null is still a boring grind to raise stats.

 

[ShinyBoots1993]

Im currious as to why.

I'm asking them directly as I don't want to assume. I'll update you all when I get a response.

Considering Zero is fucking all the other teachers, who are they going to report to?

The police?

Also RLE acknowledges Scott, Nightcrawler, and Wolverine being teachers and Zero isn't fucking them.(Unfortunately)

fantasizing about Jean in an inappropriate manner

No that's something he did in the comics.

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It seems they have a specific story they want to tell, and they do seem to lean more toward femdom, so I would expect the girls to always be mostly in control only ever allowing null to do things, despite the ludo thirsty jean

That I know isn't the reason and I can 100% confirm that Dazzler will not be domming* Null and the girl we've yet to reveal is also 100% a sub.

*As in actually dominating you in the bedroom like quirk active Laura does. Dazzler may top just for variety.

Not that this game is free of its own issues, of course. I don't buy Jean's quirk and I don't buy how everyone is fine with us having a harem (though I hypocritically do like it) but outright exhibitionism at school is a far tougher sell. Maybe they could do it but it would need some decent build up from the beginning.

Would you be willing to offer your feedback in detail? We want to represent the polyamory in as believable a way as possible and we're always working on Jean's mental hiccups to feel more real.

You know whats funny?
With Zero's dialogue, i can totally buy him getting a harem and being school champ, but with Null? it doesnt work aswell, in my second run doing 1 girl only i can say the game feels much better, since its just about (your) adventures as an X-man with your mutant GF on the side.

This is because Zero, male or female, is horny and collects all the girls. Unlike Null, Zero also doesn't get themselves in situations that lead to them being in the infirmary.

What I THINK a major misconception is that people think that TNH is a harem game where the goal is to fuck em all is...well...the goal. It is not. It's a porn game with a story that has an ability to build your harem but it's not the main focus. In RLE it is. There is literally NOTHING to do apart from maxing out your stats with the girls (I'm not saying it's bad just pointing out the focus) that automatically leads to one form of sexual relationship or other.

I agree with everything in this post.

Yeah of course, they are very different, im just saying that for me, it feels weird to be polyamorous in this game, i dont know, doesnt feel like something Null would do, you know?

This is why you have to work for polyamory in this game.

Not a knock against RLE but you can ask the girls if you can sleep around, they say no, you do it anyway, and 9 out of 10 times they're too cum addicted to complain that you "cheated" on them.

The internet can be misleading but the vast majority of people, not just women, aren't really too comfortable with polyamory.

Even some of Marvel's worst writers have depicted actions that can be explained as the characters being irrational or stupid yet they'd still seem believable.* In cases where they aren't, they usually retcon to explain why someone was acting like they were not human. Often because they were a Skrull. Lazy? Yes. Logical explanation? Unfortunately for the status quo of Marvel, yes.

*Excluding Namor, Reed, and Dr. Strange not being able to help a shot Aunt May

 

[ShinyBoots1993]

I'm also sad to say that null is still a boring grind to raise stats.

We have gutted the system significantly and put several ways to boost your gains and several events with more incoming to boost stats so you can avoid regular flirting to "minmax".

We have even endorsed the well made third party cheat engine that removes the grind and you can skip event text without reading.

Just be honest and say you don't enjoy this kind of gameplay and just want a "sex button."

 

[armond]

We have gutted the system significantly and put several ways to boost your gains and several events with more incoming to boost stats so you can avoid regular flirting to "minmax".

We have even endorsed the well made third party cheat engine that removes the grind and you can skip event text without reading.

Just be honest and say you don't enjoy this kind of gameplay and just want a "sex button."

Gib sex button plz