Ren'Py The Null Hypothesis [v0.6a] [Ron Chon]
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So...you really think Jim Lee is that bad of an artist that he can't do anything but his style...
Well, that's your opinion...
I don't think art quality is inherently tied to ability to change style so I would not call him a "bad" artist. His linework looks nice aesthetically to me and is competent at conveying what's supposed to be happening in each panel. I do think 90's Marvel was the only time he did good work as a costume designer and his influence on the aesthetics and storytelling in DC in the 21st century has been a net negative, but that's a completely different topic of discussion we don't need to get into.
What I have been trying, and apparently failing, to convey to you is that while you clearly have knowledge of animation and secondhand knowledge of the comics industry from friends who have worked in both mediums, you demonstrate an obvious lack of firsthand experience with comic book artists and their works. Which is why I suggested you avail yourself of google. If you're gonna have a discussion of what western comics look like, what Jim Lee's art looks like, and whether or not he's capable of or interested in changing styles, it might behoove you to actually look at his art. Y'know, read some Marvel and DC books. Be familiar with the three decades of comics we're talking about.
What I have been trying, and apparently failing, to convey to you is that while you clearly have knowledge of animation and secondhand knowledge of the comics industry from friends who have worked in both mediums, you demonstrate an obvious lack of firsthand experience with comic book artists and their works. Which is why I suggested you avail yourself of google. If you're gonna have a discussion of what western comics look like, what Jim Lee's art looks like, and whether or not he's capable of or interested in changing styles, it might behoove you to actually look at his art. Y'know, read some Marvel and DC books. Be familiar with the three decades of comics we're talking about.
a) Do you have firsthand experience?
b) I once had a part time job doing the beta for a western comic.
c) Did you take art classes? Do you know what you learn in those classes? Like, a lot. Anatomy to realism to abstract to pencils to water color to charcoal. Just saying you do only one style well is pretty much saying you didn't take those classes. I would argue he can, he just doesn't because his art obviously shows he knows his anatomy as well as shot composition and sense of balance and movement that are the bread and butter of art classes.
Of course I know what Jim Lee's style looks like. I own that X-Men fold out issue he's iconic for.
The answer to that question is "I do" but I don't think you realize what the question MEANS because you're phrasing it like a gotcha. So just so we're clear, in the context of you repeating back to me what I said to you..."firsthand experience with comic book artists and their works" just means reading the comics those artists made. Seeing them with your own eyes. I don't need to be told what Jim's style is by a second person because I have read comics Jim Lee has made. I'm an active reader of DC and Marvel and have been since the 90's. All I'm asking is you should fucking look at the guy's work if you want to have a conversation about his work. Owning one issue of X-Men isn't the same thing as seeing pieces from his entire career and comparing/contrasting them.
Anyway, I also graduated college with a minor in studio art, so yes, I'm familiar with all the things you're implying. None of which changes the fact that the standards in comic books are vastly more limited than those of other commercial art fields.
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Look, I'm gonna stop here. We're getting way off topic here. My initial point was simply, Chebulski just had to do his job and the work would have been better. A connoisseur doesn't trump actual people that make the thing. You can assume and believe all you like. I've been there. I've done that. I know the art theory and the background and I also speak the language. No amount of twisting of reasoning is going to change my past. The point stands. Though if you want to continue down this point, I recommend engaging in this post because what you're so sure of is not what someone else is so sure of. And, honestly, I live in Taiwan now. My local book store carries wall to wall mangas, not western comics. Not my monkey, not my circus. The same with most others that have touched on this topic, I'm not mad or even insulted at what Chebulski did, I'm just disappointed at what could have been.
Which is why I'm trying to impress upon you that American comic books are...a ghetto. They always have been and they've actually gotten worse since Cebulski got away with pretending to be Akira Yashida.
Jim Shooter was only 14 years old when DC hired him to write one of their top books based on scripts he submitted by mail. That's a story from the 60's for historical context but here's some in recent memory: on multiple occasions they've hired artists with Stephen Universe-esque noodle-armed styles whose only prior experience was a self-published tumblr webcomic, solely because you can pay them anything, they don't know their own worth or what the industry scale is.
I've seen a man draw a spaceship by tracing Legos and not even bothering to leave out the circular studs. In a book published by a subsidiary of fucking Disney, who have more money than God.
I just want someone like yourself who admits to being more fluent in other art fields to know that this is the difference between Jim Lee's line of work and yours.
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As a Spaniard, I take offense at your insinuation that my people are NOT loud and obnoxious. We try very hard to stand out.
No worries.
Oh totally. I enjoy Isakai despite the fact that I am 100% aware that they are derivative and trope-filled.
Maybe it's just because I've spent several decades of my life reading manga but Japan is fuckin' obsessed with will they won't they. Far more than the West. The West, which broadly includes America, England, France, Spanish, etc. focuses a lot on being in a relationship. Unless we're talking about teen dramas.
As mentioned, I wasn't commenting on the quality. I find it silly but that's why SEED takes place in an alternate timeline separated from Amuro and stuff. Different galaxy, different tone.
I mean Krillan is the comic relief and Team4Star had a running gag about how "owned" Krillan gets.
Tien outright gets ignored and forgotten several times.
There's also the fact that Akira Toriyama is known for disliking the Chinese.
The original Dragon Ball was but I don't remember Sun Wukong being a member of an alien species who were named after vegetables.
Thanks I hate it.
Sure sorry about that.
Morality isn't a factor.
It's just Jean dealing with her anxiety by doing incest play instead of proper therapy.
Laura progressively becoming more abrasive and stalkerish.
Rogue deciding to let her boyfriend direct all her life choices because of touch starvation.
None of those are healthy coping mechanisms in response to their issues. Does it make them happy? Yes. They are satisfied with the arrangement. It's 100% consensual. Is it a healthy arrangement? As someone in the field of psychology, no.
Though all Super Heroes need therapy and it's a joke in the comics community because genuinely, all but TWO psychologists in all of Marvel comics have secretly been villains.
No. Marvel just gave her one as well as Wolverine's mask with no build-up. Our version will have build-up.
Maddeninggg would legitimately kill me if I explained anything about Null's powers.
come for the porn, stay for the psychotherapy
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does anyone know the update schedule? I'm coming back every few days to check but I'd much rather have some dates to look forward to
when you come here to talk about a game but everyone starts psychoanalyzing you lol
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buzzfeed article titled: what those mutant girls REALLY think about you lol
Don't take any of this below 100% seriously, just banter/debate/joke.
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I find all of this a little bit... contradictory, no? If I'm not choosing healthy arrangement, then I am choosing un-healthy one. And "un-healthy" path, taking the rest of context in this game, does kind of sounds like immoral choice.
Depends on what set of morals you're going by. They're objectively happier in the unhealthy, but sexy, route.
Not going with the quirks deprives them of comfort and their level of overall happiness is decreased.
After that is established then it becomes a philosophical debate of is it better to be happy or to live with uncertainty and insecurity.
Null... nulls them... to their anxieties by being an outlet. If you push back and help them solve their issues directly rather than distracting them in a way that they can be happy despite their issues.
Is this overly complicated? Yes, yes it is. My plan has succeeded!
Dude... She repeatedly refers to you as her little brother and her as your big sister and enters a romantic relationship with you with the dynamic of her being your nurturing, and authoritative, big sister...
And I see exactly two who aren't villainous or haven't done villainous things.
Literally. Some don't have images and very little info.
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Yea, but there are tons of "older sisters" in a non blood related way, that has that attitude.