Ren'Py The Null Hypothesis [v0.7b] [Ron Chon]

[FacelessVixen]

Thanks, dude. I tried it and it seems to work. Although I went straight to Rogue's bedroom and she still didn't want to show her tits.

Rogue's tits ≥ Laura's butthole.

 

[Mutation8888]

To expand on this/save people having to go back about 200 pages, she's been training literally since the day she could walk. It's possible for it to break due to rigorous exercise, physical activity, etc. so if it was gone before her healing factor kicked in, it wouldn't regenerate, same way if, for example, she lost a finger before it activated.

(yes, this is something we've had multiple serious discussions about in the devteam, yes, I often find myself wondering if Warren Spector has these discussions. David Cage absolutely does though, we all know this)

Yeah, plus it really is just stretched out after so much working out or penetrative sex.. actual breaking or tearing can occur, but is not as commonplace as people think. I would think that regeneration would be adaptive since working out causes muscles to tear and get bigger, more toned, and stronger in regenerating mutants. Other adaptive changes to the body that are considered natural would also be left alone by regeneration or actually enhanced due to the natural reasoning for those changes to occur by that line of thought.

 

[JustCallMeSteve]

Recently I got to thinking, although they are similar; to a certain extent Nulls abilities seem to manifest more permanent evolutions/changes than Darwins do, to my understanding anyways. Additionally Given the reaction of Nulls power(s) to Rogues during the brief moment they were about to touch leads me to believe that there might be a more than instinctual intelligence or awareness behind it. Those factors in turn led to the idea that perhaps Null might be some sort of nascent host for the Phoenix force(or a similar force/entity) in some capacity. Although many of the earth hosts we know of are Psychic(Telepaths, Telekinetics, and the like), the notable ones were also mutants(Emma Frost, Jean Grey, etc). The Phoenix force is a force of evolution as well and Null has been evolving through each major incident.

 

[ShinyBoots1993]

My point was simply that, in the sea of insults, sometimes there's a grain of truth.

That I can agree with. It's the specific reason why I read EVERY post.

As long as the points have been considered (long grind and text wall/text pacing). that's literally more than I can ask for.

Just to assure you, I have brought your points to the dev team. What happens from here is out of my hands.

Like, it should be obvious, right?

You would think. Though not only is this the internet, it's a pornsite. We've had people vigorously defend their use of verbal abuse because they're so in the right that we shouldn't be offended by name calling or foul language.

We've also had people who are 100% civil in their tone, but defend that behavior.

"not open to discussion or debate" reads very much like "We didn't consider this and we're not going to." rather than what I suggested of "We have considered it and we've decided that's not the game we want to make."

Without context yes, you're absolutely correct. Early on, and occasionally still, we got bombarded with demands of the dominance and addiction mechanics. Hell we had to ban some people coming into our discord and report them here because people were arguing rather STRONGLY for us to let them mutilate the girls.

I'll keep in mind for the future that some people won't know about past arguments or know that discussions have been had.

Point being is that we've had several days long discussions and have decided that everything within our game will be consensual and we will not be including content that could be considered sexually abusive.

Why is there a limiter on "flirt" to once a day? It's like devs knew that if they won't put it there every player will become a simp eventually, even the ones who don't want or like to be but still i have to say, what the hell man?

I mean, can't smooch/can't hold hands/can't say lub you/can't hug/can't do any of the hardcore stuff more than once a day, that's just outright cruel. I really want to be a simp in this game, just let me be a damn simp.
Kindly remove that limiter if possible.

Like it so far, just hope that the choices for the content in the game will remain present throughout and also looking forward the MC's progress when he finally becomes at least somewhat powerful.

i think a better way to implement it would be to not limmit it but make the point increase only once a day,t might be to simplify is work as a developper than add many line of code

Well there's two points to argue for this.

1. We could make it that you only gain points the first time, or maybe get points the second time but at a reduced rate and everything after that gains no points till the next day. I like randomly telling my partner I love them and giving surprise hugs too.

2. However that'd easily let players see all of the variations in one interaction which would be kinda lame and artificially slow down the pacing thus leading to the feeling of grind.

she's been training literally since the day she could walk.

Which could also explain why she's so short. Her growth is stunted. Girl's like what, 200+ years old in the comics now? Still 5 feet.

 

[ShinyBoots1993]

to a certain extent Nulls abilities seem to manifest more permanent

We still got like 5 more chapters to get through. Are you certain his gained abilities are permanent?

 

[JustCallMeSteve]

We still got like 5 more chapters to get through. Are you certain his gained abilities are permanent?

As i said seem to be, but considering that they have at this point lasted months, it would not be a stretch to presume they are more on the permanent side. This is of course presuming that he is not actually manifesting the powers anew everytime he uses them or something.

EDIT: To clarify I was speaking more permanent in comparison to Darwin, where physical adaptations aside most changes that result in new powers are more temporary, World War Hulk radiation draining, or surviving Hela's deathtouch by evolving similar powers of equal intensity.

 

[Mutation8888]

We still got like 5 more chapters to get through. Are you certain his gained abilities are permanent?

Well, Null has stated that he feels like the additional powers actually seem more a part of him as time goes on. The only thing that might counter that would be that he has kind of power slots that are limited in number and have to be changed out if he wants some different powers all of a sudden later on.

 

[damias]

We still got like 5 more chapters to get through. Are you certain his gained abilities are permanent?

ya they seem different to me ...they always have to do about influence toward bodies..nothing outside of it..so either him or targets which are living being... so my take is that is his limmitation...he could levitate by lowering his weight to 0 later on but could not do it to a table itself lets say... could do it to someone by touch but not to clothes... opposite is also posible for kinky fun hahaha making someone wrist heavier to pin them on the bed could be a fun take...sorry....hypothesis...

 

[JustCallMeSteve]

It would be interesting if Null's abilities did wind up boiling down to biological manipulation guided by his intent.

 

[Dazzier31]

World War Hulk radiation draining

Just wanna point out, because I'm that big of a nerd and think the moment is really fucking funny, that Darwin's adaptation in World War Hulk was actually to just... teleport somewhere far away, because his powers decided that if he stayed anywhere within a 10 block radius of the World Breaker, he was gonna be on the next In Memoriam section of the academy's graduation.

 

[JustCallMeSteve]

Just wanna point out, because I'm that big of a nerd and think the moment is really fucking funny, that Darwin's adaptation in World War Hulk was actually to just... teleport somewhere far away, because his powers decided that if he stayed anywhere within a 10 block radius of the World Breaker, he was gonna be on the next In Memoriam section of the academy's graduation.

You are correct.

I should have put it more accurately and stated something like: he attempted to drain the gamma radiation from Hulk(or something like that), one of if not the first times Darwin tried to actively guide his power, Afterwards the power decided "Nope we gotta get you out of here" and decided to engage in a little BFR(battlefield removal) for Darwin.

 

[sleepingkirby]

Every game has events that must be repeated to achieve a goal. Some games have grind fests, others have moderate or barely any grind at all. I would rate this game at low grind since the points needed for love/trust are acquired as the story progresses quite naturally.

So... yeah, I did the math a while back.
Love and trust max out at 1000 at season 4 and each class/training/studying gives you 6 points to either love or trust or both. That's 167 study and/or training sessions PER character PER stat on average. So let's assume, in a game day, you go to class once, study once and train once and you do that for just Jean. That's 83 game days PER character. Unless you're blowing through the game mindlessly and fast forwarding through all the dialogue, the fastest I can go through a day (excluding events, showering, dates, going to the mall, etc. Just class room, train, study, sleep. Obviously, with those, it'd take longer) is 2 minutes. Which is 2.76 hours per character, 8.3 hours in total for JUST leveling for just the first chapter. I don't know about you, but I would call a full shift at a job a grind. Like, that's what they literally call it. "Getting back to the grind." And this is just chapter 1 of, well, I'm assuming there will be 3 or more chapters. It is kind of pointless to chapter things if there's only 2 chapters. And if you assuming the leveling for chapter 2 and 3 is the same as chapter 1 (which, it won't be. Leveling systems aren't linear but multiplicative), playing this game, you would have blown 24 hours (rounding down) on JUST the leveling. 1 full day or 3 work days at your job or 1 average gameplay of Chronotrigger (not 100%, just start to finish with 1 ending) on JUST leveling.

But if you feel that losing a day's worth of work dedicated to just the clicking part of a game isn't a grind, sure.

Of course, if story is not what someone wants in a game, then they would call this a grind fest. Many of us wanted more out of a game than just "see LI, say: hey babe, skip to sex scene." It gets boring after a couple of chapters of VN or sandbox game for some people that want something different from the game. We still like adult oriented games, but adding some actual story and thought to it is what at least some want.

It's not an either or situation. Someone can like the story AND think the game is a grind. Like, I played FFXI in the loldrg days. I soloed my drg from level 50 to level 75 (TOAU. Pre level 99 cap) and it took me 5 years. I enjoyed it, but it was still a grind. And again, 8.3 hours. 1/3 of the day. 1/2 of your waking hours in a day JUST on leveling.

This is why I for one would not utilize your cheat system.

Cheats are like accessibility options. They're there for people that need them. No one will ever think badly of you for not using it. Announcing proudly that you're not going to use it however...that's like announcing publicly that you're going to quit facebook or twitter. The usual response is "Sir, this isn't an airport. You don't need to announce your departure."

...I could just as easily unpack the renpy files and look at anything I want.

How do you think I made the cheat?

I have literally seen time and again someone use a cheat code or mod on a game they were really enjoying only to play the cheat version for one hour and throw it away out of boredom and disgust.

Then that's on them, isn't it? If they ruined the very thing they enjoyed for themselves, that has nothing to do with cheating. That's like reading a book, skipping to the end and then going "Well, they shouldn't have let me skip to the end of the book." That's also the same argument nintendo had against let's play videos when they tried to DMCA them all or claimed copyright on them all. No lack of cheat option or anything will prevent someone who is prone to ruin something enjoyable for themselves from ruining something they enjoy for themselves. No one is forcing someone to apply a cheat. I'm not pressuring anyone to use it. I literally wrote "So here it is for anyone that wants to use it.". If someone is impatient enough to want to skip to the end, they'll do it with or without the cheat (asking for save files, watching a play through, etc.). The cheat has nothing to do with someone wanting to ruin the game for themselves.

You have to pick and choose what you want and go find it.

No I don't. I can crack open this game and make a mod of it. I can make a game inspired by this one as this one did for RLE. I can literally make a rival game to this one with near the exact same plot and gameplay and art but just slightly different and compete with this one. I can start a mod, start a patreon and poach people to subscribe to me for a mod of this game. I'm a programmer. I can literally make entire company's tech infrastructure from scratch. How do you think I got this cheat out so quickly? It took me an hour to get it running. The rest of the day was spent making it user proof on 2 operating system. And what I wanted to do, literally because I had a few hour with nothing to do before I had to get to bed, was make a cheat injector for this game. Seriously, here's the post. You can't dictate what I have to do or how I enjoy the game. No one can.

This is the false dilemma fallacy. All of what you wrote is a false dilemma fallacy. It's not "it's a not a grind or you hate storyline." nor "You can either use the cheat or you can like story." nor "You can enjoy the game as it is or you play adult games for the adult part." It can be both, or neither or some third option. But you using a false dilemma fallacy, quite frankly, shows dishonesty and/or willful ignorance and/or unjustified pride (possibly of the GAMERZ(tm) variety). But I'd like to give you a benefit of the doubt. I never deemed, dictate or pressured how anyone should play or enjoy the game. All I've simply stated is, there might a kernel of truth in a very belligerent post. I highly suggest you do the same.

 

[JustCallMeSteve]

Not including dates, sex, or events is skewing the math though, as those can provide anywhere from something like 30-80 love and about half as much trust, depending on the choices you make. I got through everything in about 77 In Game days, I saved prior to progressing the main story, so i added up the days and that was the result.

 

[sleepingkirby]

Not including dates or sex is skewing the math though, as those can provide anywhere from something like 30-80 love and about half as much trust, depending on the choices you make.

That would still literally be 8.3 hours minus 1 hour, 2 max. That's still 6~7 hours.

 

[Maddeninggg]

That would still literally be 8.3 hours minus 1 hour, 2 max. That's still 6~7 hours.

You're entirely missing dates, sex, gifting items/clothing, and optional events. All those things together cut down on like 99% of the time in your hypothetical which only mentioned class/studying/training.

 

[sleepingkirby]

You're entirely missing dates, sex, gifting items/clothing, and optional events. All those things together cut down on like 99% of the time in your hypothetical which only mentioned class/studying/training.

Quests and events are one time only. And hence, would not cut down 99% of it. Dates are only available from season 2 and although they would provide more points, they are also about 1~2 minutes if you're not fast forwarding. If you are fast forwarding, they would take about 10~15 seconds to run through. Hence neutralizing the time save or giving you negative time save.

So it would still take just as long (conservatively).

If you don't believe me, vid cap yourself playing the game from start to the end of the content and check the run time. I'm willing to bet my estimates are actually conservative because I'm not factoring in decision making, characters being busy/refusing study/training, RNG for not taking a class with you, grinding for money and gifts, screen transitions (not that they're long, but they do take time), etc.

 

[Maddeninggg]

Quests and events are one time only.

But dates are absolutely available in season 1? And the optional events were specifically tuned so that doing all 3 for a girl in any given season will give you the vast majority of her available stats for that particular season. Feel free to dig around in the code to verify how many stats each optional event gives. So, I guess your grind could theoretically be that long, but only if you completely ignore the optional events and other interactions like gift giving.

 

[sleepingkirby]

And the optional events were specifically tuned so that doing all 3 for a girl in any given season will give you the vast majority of her available stats for that particular season.

Again, one time events. Which I addressed here:

That would still literally be 8.3 hours minus 1 hour, 2 max. That's still 6~7 hours.

Feel free to dig around in the code to verify how many stats each optional event gives.

I've supplied the proof for my side, which you concurred with here:

So, I guess your grind could theoretically be that long,

If you want to prove your statement, the burden of proof is on you.

 

[Evil13]

Quests and events are one time only. And hence, would not cut down 99% of it. Dates are only available from season 2 and although they would provide more points, they are also about 1~2 minutes if you're not fast forwarding. If you are fast forwarding, they would take about 10~15 seconds to run through. Hence neutralizing the time save or giving you negative time save.

So it would still take just as long (conservatively).

If you don't believe me, vid cap yourself playing the game from start to the end of the content and check the run time. I'm willing to bet my estimates are actually conservative because I'm not factoring in decision making, characters being busy/refusing study/training, RNG for not taking a class with you, grinding for money and gifts, screen transitions (not that they're long, but they do take time), etc.

You know, this is a radical idea, but instead of picking apart the game, maybe just enjoy it for what it is meant to be, a slow burn.

There are plenty of games that go quick and fast for the sex, this game was never meant to be one of those. It's a slow game where you are meant to explore the environs and the burgeoning relationships with the girls.

To put it this way, when you go out to a restaurant, you order a meal from the menu, do you try to shovel the meal down in record time, or do you savour every bite, try to test everything that makes up the meal?

Because that's what is going on here - you're expecting a meal you can just shove your face into, when in actuality, it's a three course meal.

 

[sleepingkirby]

You know, this is a radical idea, but instead of picking apart the game, maybe just enjoy it for what it is meant to be, a slow burn.

There are plenty of games that go quick and fast for the sex, this game was never meant to be one of those. It's a slow game where you are meant to explore the environs and the burgeoning relationships with the girls.

To put it this way, when you go out to a restaurant, you order a meal from the menu, do you try to shovel the meal down in record time, or do you savour every bite, try to test everything that makes up the meal?

Because that's what is going on here - you're expecting a meal you can just shove your face into, when in actuality, it's a three course meal.

Already addressed all of these points (namely a false dilemma fallacy) here.