Ren'Py The Null Hypothesis [v0.7b] [Ron Chon]

[Vitae Cupidus]

As you just mentioned, some future girls may be more casual about sex

We already have someone who's more casual about sex, Laura (sort of), but then Null is the one who insists on doing the same procedure as with every girl.
And I do like that sort of dynamic, but i feel it railroads you so hard here.

The chapter 1 girls, their personalities, and at what point they're at in their lives all informed us about how they would feel regarding sex and romance. We specifically wanted to avoid what we consider poor adaptations or versions of these characters, and instead make them feel realistic in how they approach romance.

I think you succeeded, the girls feel like fleshed out characters.
But how is it more realistic for them to be more open to polyamory than casual sex?

 

[Maddeninggg]

We already have someone who's more casual about sex, Laura (sort of), but then Null is the one who insists on doing the same procedure as with every girl.
And I do like that sort of dynamic, but i feel it railroads you so hard here.

At the start of the game Laura is basically the opposite of the type of person who would be into casual sex. She's socially outcast and very very uncomfortable with people getting close to her or physical contact in general. Then, once she starts doing research and talking to Rogue for advice she gets her ideas of "proper" romance and how relationships should work.

 

[Vitae Cupidus]

At the start of the game Laura is basically the opposite of the type of person who would be into casual sex. She's socially outcast and very very uncomfortable with people getting close to her or physical contact in general. Then, once she starts doing research and talking to Rogue for advice she gets her ideas of "proper" romance and how relationships should work.

Yeah that's what I meant by "(sort of)". She has her intimacy issues and unorthodox upbringing of course, but after confessing to each other she's basically like "oh boy, smooching time", but Null is like "no way fag".

My recollection might not be perfect, and more than a little damaged by years of heavy internet use.

 

[Zone Peterson]

But how is it more realistic for them to be more open to polyamory than casual sex?

It's quite simple. This is a whole different universe, a different Earth. They simply just choose to be open to polyamory in this case. I mean, look at RLE. You think that's any more realistic to this one?

 

[Vitae Cupidus]

I see I have failed at conveying what my real argument was, I apologize and will try again.

If you want the player to have the option to date multiple women, but to also keep realism in mind, then I think the characters would more readily accept casual sex before polyamory.
And being a bit of a fuckboy is going to look less silly than being in a commited relationship with half the faculty.

It's quite simple. This is a whole different universe, a different Earth. They simply just choose to be open to polyamory in this case.

When I or anyone says "realistic" we mean according to our universe and standards, since including any possible reality would make the word meaningless.

 

[Zone Peterson]

I see I have failed at conveying what my real argument was, I apologize and will try again.

If you want the player to have the option to date multiple women, but to also keep realism in mind, then I think the characters would more readily accept casual sex before polyamory.
And being a bit of a fuckboy is going to look less silly than being in a commited relationship with half the faculty.


When I or anyone says "realistic" we mean according to our universe and standards, since including any possible reality would make the word meaningless.

You want realism in a porn game?! Impossible!

It's a curious thought though. Tbh I see why you suggested an unpopular opinion, I mean you did created an alt account to ask this right? I too would, to a certain degree, understand your view on the whole "casual sex before polyamory" but I also think It's something that isn't really concerning and shouldn't be so fixated too much on it.

We should be more fixated on the upcoming of chapter 1 finale and future love interests! HOORAH!

 

[whity112]

You want realism in a porn game?! Impossible!

It's a curious thought though. Tbh I see why you suggested an unpopular opinion, I mean you did created an alt account to ask this right? I too would, to a certain degree, understand your view on the whole "casual sex before polyamory" but I also think It's something that isn't really concerning and shouldn't be so fixated too much on it.

We should be more fixated on the upcoming of chapter 1 finale and future love interests! HOORAH!

realism in a game about mutants lol

 

[d3rp42]

It's quite simple. This is a whole different universe, a different Earth. They simply just choose to be open to polyamory in this case. I mean, look at RLE. You think that's any more realistic to this one?

That logic doesn't work. RLE does not take itself serious. TNH is way more ambitious with what it tries to do with its story. That's why RLE pulls it off easily, but gets boring quickly. TNH is way harder to write. Especially when you try to combine things like romance and harem in a "realistic"/"serious" story.

You can't compare these two. The only thing they have in common is the mutant theme and the mechanics.

 

[OnlyUsedForNever]

Im a little confused about the quirk system, is it tied to specific decisions or is it an overall point score?

I didn't take the first one or two masochism/submissive choices for Rogue (just felt weird to jump into that in like the first conversation) but have pretty much done every single one since and yet we just had a talk where she said i "shut that down pretty quickly".

That's despite her already acting super submisvely otherwise (asking for permission to leave, being deferential at the mall, waiting for me to order food for her, etc)

 

[sleepingkirby]

Im a little confused about the quirk system, is it tied to specific decisions or is it an overall point score?

I didn't take the first one or two masochism/submissive choices for Rogue (just felt weird to jump into that in like the first conversation) but have pretty much done every single one since and yet we just had a talk where she said i "shut that down pretty quickly".

That's despite her already acting super submisvely otherwise (asking for permission to leave, being deferential at the mall, waiting for me to order food for her, etc)

Code-wise (as in, I don't know the full intention. I can only surmise the intention from the code), it's tied to points that are only given (at the time of writing) via specific decisions. There are 2 variables that collect points, (quirk)_encouraged and (quirk)_discouraged. Some checks check only for if one exists. Others check to see if one is larger than another. When it passes (or fails) the checks, the character can have different stats(not 100% accurate, but trying not to spoil anything), different set of dialogue, some different options (again, being super vague to not spoil anything), etc.

 

[OnlyUsedForNever]

Code-wise (as in, I don't know the full intention. I can only surmise the intention from the code), it's tied to points that are only given (at the time of writing) via specific decisions. There are 2 variables that collect points, (quirk)_encouraged and (quirk)_discouraged. Some checks check only for if one exists. Others check to see if one is larger than another. When it passes (or fails) the checks, the character can have different stats(not 100% accurate, but trying not to spoil anything), different set of dialogue, some different options (again, being super vague to not spoil anything), etc.

Ah i see, so it might be that this scene with Rogue is only checking for the (quirk)_discouraged variable and perhaps not comparing it to the encouraged variable to see if one is higher. Either way, thank you for the code breakdown, good to be aware

 

[Drakenite]

Does anyone know if Kitty Pryde is ever going to be in this game in the future?

 

[whity112]

Does anyone know if Kitty Pryde is ever going to be in this game in the future?

id say a 90% chance

 

[jvbatman]

There is at least a 15% chance that any future character they add will be from the X-Men.

 

[theimmortal2100]

can someone tell me how i can break up with one of the girls and if it is even possible

 

[sleepingkirby]

Ah i see, so it might be that this scene with Rogue is only checking for the (quirk)_discouraged variable and perhaps not comparing it to the encouraged variable to see if one is higher. Either way, thank you for the code breakdown, good to be aware

Correct. Just keep in mind that the opposite might be true. Or that it's checking against (quirk)_encouraged but it failed the check and the dialogue you're getting is the check failed dialogue.

 

[Onahillthereisahouse]

It's a curious thought though. Tbh I see why you suggested an unpopular opinion, I mean you did created an alt account to ask this right?

No my account got banned for "being hacked" because I use the tor browser and I guess they're overcorrecting after the recent virus outbreak.

I too would, to a certain degree, understand your view on the whole "casual sex before polyamory" but I also think It's something that isn't really concerning and shouldn't be so fixated too much on it.

It's not really important and I'm not going to be bothered if they don't change anything.

I understand the girls are written with a realistic approach to romance with regards to their characters. Adding the asterisk that they're all open to anal, threesomes and such.
And I surmise the reason for adding polygamy is they want the player to be able to have fun with multiple girls in the game.
Which I think could be more naturally accomplished with casual trysts rather than polygamy, which is a bigger ask for almost any girl, and far more rare.

I ask because I'm curious. Curious about the discussions and thought processes that went into the decision.
Polygamy as I said is a niche thing and I'm interested in why the writers think it fits the characters.

We should be more fixated on the upcoming of chapter 1 finale and future love interests! HOORAH!

Sure but what's there to ask about?
What will happen? I don't want to be spoiled
When is it coming out? Annoying

can someone tell me how i can break up with one of the girls and if it is even possible

It's not

 

[whity112]

No my account got banned for "being hacked" because I use the tor browser and I guess they're overcorrecting after the recent virus outbreak.


It's not really important and I'm not going to be bothered if they don't change anything.

I understand the girls are written with a realistic approach to romance with regards to their characters. Adding the asterisk that they're all open to anal, threesomes and such.
And I surmise the reason for adding polygamy is they want the player to be able to have fun with multiple girls in the game.
Which I think could be more naturally accomplished with casual trysts rather than polygamy, which is a bigger ask for almost any girl, and far more rare.

I ask because I'm curious. Curious about the discussions and thought processes that went into the decision.
Polygamy as I said is a niche thing and I'm interested in why the writers think it fits the characters.


Sure but what's there to ask about?
What will happen? I don't want to be spoiled
When is it coming out? Annoying


It's not

seems like your looking for a game thats just about sex with mutans this is the wrong thread

 

[ShinyBoots1993]

post the fan art

We have a fanart channel in the discord.

but Rogue's always a big slut whenever someone's able to touch her.

This is not even remotely close to true. Every major modern incarnation of Rogue has been a romantic at heart. The one we're basing her personality off of, mainline 616, has specifically stated the importance of her "first time" being special before and after it happened.

It seems like she wants to do that but then the player puts on the brakes. Why? Why not give us the option?

NTR.

We can't justify any reason for every girl in the game wanting to be exclusive to Null but let Null bang whoever he wanted.

In fact, we had an overwhelming amount of feedback that people found it weird how quick the girls were to just let Null run around banging chicks during the initial release.

For example. If you become a fuck buddy with Kitty, what's stopping her from also being a fuck buddy with Colossus? What's to stop Storm from going out with Wolverine if your relationship is purely physical? What stops Rogue from going after someone else when she learns to control her powers?

Nothing.

Unless we go with porn logic. Which the overwhelming majority of our supporters would not like.

The data and feedback I've collected from people showing the greatest support shows that they wouldn't be happy if we used "because porn" when writing.

Pantyhose, yes (for some), footjob, not yet....

"Yet"

can someone tell me how i can break up with one of the girls and if it is even possible

Not possible and unlikely to be possible in the future.

I ask because I'm curious. Curious about the discussions and thought processes that went into the decision.

The team's interpretation of the most popular comic runs. If there are any holes, we fill them with "what makes sense."

Jean Grey was invented in the 60s. She wasn't a deep character beyond being "the girl." So taking context clues of how "Normal Jean" behaved after the Phoenix Saga and just what we knew of women during the mid-2,000s... Yeah, the over-stressed prodigy child made the most sense.

Edit: Rogue and Laura's personalities are adapted straight from their early appearances.

 

[jvbatman]

I feel like it's a bug but suddenly in the last chapter Laura suddenly decided to get pissed off that I was dating Jean even though I waited until after I got their friendships maxed and did all the proper dialogue options and quests and what not in chapter 3. I had been dating and sleeping with all three girls repeatedly at that point. Not sure why she suddenly got a hair up her butt about but it doesn't feel like that should happen.

I dated Laura first and didn't do anything with the other two until I did all the quests and did all the dialogues for asking permission and what not. It seemed really random and out of the blue.