Ren'Py The Null Hypothesis [v0.8b1] [Ron Chon]

[salscou]

1. if you choose to never use anything else that is on you. I personally used it every time.

Its builds up their orgasm meter and they only had 2 of them, so youd be using 60% of your first bar just to get them horny and by the time youre pounding them they are already cumming.

2. you could have required prereqs without excessive amount of time grinded on them to unlock next steps.

Excesive ammount?
Jesus. how long do you take in a sex session on TNH?
You dont need that much time to get an A+

 

[harem.king]

Excesive ammount?
Jesus. how long do you take in a sex session on TNH?
You dont need that much time to get an A+

We are not talking about A+ score.
We are talking about the new feature in v0.6B (that was not in V0.6A) where you need to take a very long time on foreplay to unlock subsequent actions.

The new unlock mechanism requires not only clicking on a bunch of options. But then repeating them a LOT. or most likely, pressing the auto repeat and waiting five minutes.
You could easily have both MC and the girl orgasm before you even unlock penetration.
In fact on multiple occasions I have had both MC and the girl orgasm before unlocking penetration.

By the time you actually unlock penetration, you have barely any stamina left.

 

[salscou]

We are not talking about A+ score.
We are talking about the new feature in v0.6B (that was not in V0.6A) where you need to take a very long time on foreplay to unlock subsequent actions.

The new unlock mechanism requires not only clicking on a bunch of options. But then repeating them a LOT. or most likely, pressing the auto repeat and waiting five minutes.
You could easily have both MC and the girl orgasm before you even unlock penetration.

Again, if its too much of a bother for you, thats what the vibrator is for, just start it up before hand and the girls are ready to go when you enter the sex minigame.

 

[harem.king]

Again, if its too much of a bother for you, thats what the vibrator is for, just start it up before hand and the girls are ready to go when you enter the sex minigame.

You are not making a good argument for why this "feature" is an improvement from before.

Before, you needed to go through various foreplay before the sex if you wanted an A+
Now you have to:
1. go through various forms of foreplay
2. spend the vast majority of the scene on only foreplay (because your stamina runs out)
3. if you want to avoid running out of stamina use dildo (sorry, I am not into dildos)

You guys are pretending that:
A. because YOU chose to skip the foreplay before, that means EVERYONE chose to do so.
B. forcing you to do the foreplay in a single player game is some great improvement to gameplay. it is a single player game.
C. the numbers used by the new system are well balanced. and that it is perfectly reasonable to require so many repeats of each step to unlock the next one

 

[bismism]

Bull shit.
You don't spend 5 minutes grinding on a girl to unlock 5 seconds of penetrative sex (because that all you have stamina for after the 5 minutes of grinding)

I mean, that would genuinely depend on the individual. Some women require more/less foreplay than others, and that can be affected by all sorts of internal AND external factors. Just having something on their mind can cut your actual coital time down drastically.
HOWEVER, good foreplay (which IRL includes more than just heavy petting, for the record) can help push through some of those possible roadblocks. It's not a guarantee, but it does help.

And with all of that said: 5 minutes of grinding might actually lead to that exact result if there's been too much friction (too intense, irritation from body hair, etc.). The wrong kind of overstimulation would actually result in a detriment to your efforts - which again would depend on the partner. Mechanically, this would probably over-complicate sex quite a bit for this game, as every character would then have more specific settings that would give better or worse results respectively (i.e. Rogue/Laura liking things more intense overall, while Jean may need more build up over time). For immersion, this could be interesting, but I know that most hate their goal lines having a test of its own so.... Wouldn't shock me if that was something not on the table for TNH lol

[NOTE: I have not touched the 0.6b update yet, I planned on waiting a bit first - I do not know how the new system works / Also, honestly, skill issue ]

 

[FacelessVixen]

...This seems familiar.

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[armond]

I mean, that would genuinely depend on the individual. Some women require more/less foreplay than others, and that can be affected by all sorts of internal AND external factors. Just having something on their mind can cut your actual coital time down drastically.
HOWEVER, good foreplay (which IRL includes more than just heavy petting, for the record) can help push through some of those possible roadblocks. It's not a guarantee, but it does help.

And with all of that said: 5 minutes of grinding might actually lead to that exact result if there's been too much friction (too intense, irritation from body hair, etc.). The wrong kind of overstimulation would actually result in a detriment to your efforts - which again would depend on the partner. Mechanically, this would probably over-complicate sex quite a bit for this game, as every character would then have more specific settings that would give better or worse results respectively (i.e. Rogue/Laura liking things more intense overall, while Jean may need more build up over time). For immersion, this could be interesting, but I know that most hate their goal lines having a test of its own so.... Wouldn't shock me if that was something not on the table for TNH lol

[NOTE: I have not touched the 0.6b update yet, I planned on waiting a bit first - I do not know how the new system works / Also, honestly, skill issue ]

Will you sign my kama sutra senpai

 

[harem.king]

[NOTE: I have not touched the 0.6b update yet, I planned on waiting a bit first - I do not know how the new system works / Also, honestly, skill issue ]

Please actually try it and then comment again

 

[salscou]

You are not making a good argument for why this "feature" is an improvement from before.

Before, you needed to go through various foreplay before the sex if you wanted an A+
Now you have to:
1. go through various forms of foreplay
2. spend the vast majority of the scene on only foreplay (because your stamina runs out)
3. if you want to avoid running out of stamina use dildo (sorry, I am not into dildos)

You guys are pretending that:
A. because YOU chose to skip the foreplay before, that means EVERYONE chose to do so.
B. forcing you to do the foreplay in a single player game is some great improvement to gameplay. it is a single player game.
C. the numbers used by the new system are well balanced. and that it is perfectly reasonable to require so many repeats of each step to unlock the next one

Again, youre complaining about literally nothing.
Dont want foreplay? use the vibrator before hand.
Forgot to use it? click a couple of actions and press auto.
Youre bitching about the fact that they added more mechanics to the sex in a porn game, mechanics you can outright skip if you dont want them, this is how absurd your argument is.

 

[SeveralGeese]

I've genuinely not had any problems with any of the things yall are complaining about. I dunno if it's because I really like foreplay or like...

like, there's more things in life than putting a peg in a hole.

 

[destroyerofassholes]

The update is fresh now and fans of the game are generally pretty defensive in any fandom. However I can see the other guy's point. I don't personally dislike it atm but it's probably gonna get very old by the time 1.0 rolls up. It doesn't really scream "good design" to play another song and dance every single time for in-game sex after abolishing the consent simulator.

I mean, asking for consent for each and every single little thing wasn't really an issue either because it was just resolved in 2 clicks. But yet the devs recognized it as an issue and remade the system to fix it.

By the same token having to fill a bar itself isn't really an issue either, but it could be better and I don't see why y'all gotta shit on the guy for just stating that. Y'all act like rabid football fans. You can love a game and not immediately go "oh fuck" when someone says the smallest thing.

 

[salscou]

The update is fresh now and fans of the game are generally pretty defensive in any fandom. However I can see the other guy's point. I don't personally dislike it atm but it's probably gonna get very old by the time 1.0 rolls up. It doesn't really scream "good design" to play another song and dance every single time for in-game sex after abolishing the consent simulator.

I mean, asking for consent for each and every single little thing wasn't really an issue either because it was just resolved in 2 clicks. But yet the devs recognized it as an issue and remade the system to fix it.

By the same token having to fill a bar itself isn't really an issue either, but it could be better and I don't see why y'all gotta shit on the guy for just stating that. Y'all act like football fans.

Id concede the design aspect were it not for the fact that the game gives you the tools to skip it or automate it.

 

[destroyerofassholes]

Id concede the design aspect were it not for the fact that the game gives you the tools to skip it or automate it.

And what if I just plain don't like toys and want it to be all about the protagonist? Or don't wanna click next action a billion times or wait on my arse with the automation on?

At the end of the day the issue is that the player should be empowered and the game should be as less annoying as possible without infringing on the experience. I didn't think the consent simulator mattered, I don't think this mechanic matters either in the long run, but both are kind of badly implemented. They're both just too minute (and not important enough) to care.

 

[bismism]

Will you sign my kama sutra senpai

You got it, bestie

Please actually try it and then comment again

Very well. I've downloaded it and tested the system out just for you, and....

Yeah, bud, this might simply be a skill issue. The save I used was just after the first post-ass kicked recovery event. Took very little to get all three girls - only one of whom I'd had sex with before (Rogue, 'cause that one's got a few strings attached that make sense to clear through early imo), and within a few minutes, managed to get it into all three for more than a few rounds pretty quickly.

Might just be that I'm a similar case to SeveralGeese and actually enjoy the foreplay, but even without that, the system is perfectly fine in terms of overall functionality. It tells you what you can and can't yet do, it shows you what actions build said meters and by how much, so just - you know - fuck your partner well and you can do whatever you like no sweat.

EDIT: If the issue is that you just straight up don't like the system existing and, I can only assume, want 3-speed animations with a finish button and that's it... Hate to be that guy, but there's other games for that. This may simply not be the one for you - but you're in luck since there's THREE of these sorts of games out and about now, including this one lmao
This one is simply not designed for the DJ Khalid's of the world, I'm afraid

 

[salscou]

You got it, bestie

Meanwhile Bismism.

 

[harem.king]

Again, youre complaining about literally nothing.
Dont want foreplay? use the vibrator before hand.
Forgot to use it? click a couple of actions and press auto.
Youre bitching about the fact that they added more mechanics to the sex in a porn game, mechanics you can outright skip if you dont want them, this is how absurd your argument is.

1. you failed to address any of the points quoted.
2. you are lying.

I went ahead and bought a dildo.
When you start the dildo action is NOT AVAILABLE.
Your claim to just use the dildo to unlock sex is thus a total fabrication.

I just invited maxed out laura over. gave her a dildo. and used a timer to test:
ask hookup. strip her and go into missionary.
activate Hold hands
activate make out
activate auto-progress and wait 15 seconds to unlock choking.
activate choking
Now you are choking AND handholding AND makeout all at the same time. auto-progress...
wait another 1:45 min (so you have been making out for 2 minutes by now). Now you unlocked grinding and dildo.
click dildo. take about 10 seconds to click fast to skip through many pages of dialog to actually use it. But not too fast or it can break.
Now activate auto-progress again. wait another 30 seconds with the dildo to unlock sex.

This entire process still took 2 minutes and 40 seconds to unlock sex.
during those 3 minutes you had to pick the "correct" choices from the makeout menu instead of the choices you wanted.
and remember, your argument is that this feature is an improvement over last version because "muh realism".

incidentally. dildo and grinding unlock at the same time. without owning a dildo I previously grinded. let me try that too.
after the same 2 minutes to unlock dildo and grind. lets try grind against pussy. (which only unlocks pussy, anal is unlocked seperately. you can unlock anal before vaginal)

grind pussy
click through a bunch of dialog without reading for 10 seconds (or much longer if reading)
takes 1 miunte and 15 seconds of additional grinding on pussy (while choking, hand holding, and making out) to unlock pussy.
the total is then 3 minutes and 25 seconds.

this is assuming you skip the dialog. and is fairly click intensive.
I had to reload a couple of times because it broke up due to me trying to click too fast too.

There are probably even more meandering and useless routes to take. as there is a severe balance issue between the different methods. Like how dildo is vastly more effective than grinding.

This is not an improvement.
This is an anti feature.
I was perfectly fine using various forms of foreplay before without this silly system of gating.

Also, the GUI for this gating system is pretty terrible. It is a pain to scroll through the various options, and they are not grouped by tier.

 

[Dazzier31]

Finally had time to make it, let's see if I get a bingo xD

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While there are some... odd choices here (Negasonic? Really?), kudos on the bingo, great job.

Now if only I knew how to play bingo.

 

[harem.king]

EDIT: If the issue is that you just straight up don't like the system existing and, I can only assume, want 3-speed animations with a finish button and that's it... Hate to be that guy, but there's other games for that. This may simply not be the one for you - but you're in luck since there's THREE of these sorts of games out and about now, including this one lmao
This one is simply not designed for the DJ Khalid's of the world, I'm afraid

> This isn't the game for you.

This system was literally added a couple of days ago to a game that is several years old.

> Skill issue

1. Wasting time is not a "skill". Grind is not a "skill". Lots of clicking to skip dialog is not a "skill".

2. Choosing your sex acts based on how much progress they make completely undermines the purpose and fun one can get from a flexible sex act system. The whole point is that you get to choose the stuff you want to do.
Not to memorize a set of "optimal" actions that are superior to the other choices. So that you can do sex acts you don't want in order to get more points per minute.
That is anathema to actually enjoying the porn

None of you have shown how this is actually an improvement instead of a step back

 

[FacelessVixen]

[...] It doesn't really scream "good design" to play another song and dance every single time for in-game sex after abolishing the consent simulator.

I mean, asking for consent for each and every single little thing wasn't really an issue either because it was just resolved in 2 clicks. But yet the devs recognized it as an issue and remade the system to fix it. [...]

Which isn't even the reason why I coined the phrase to begin with; granted that other games have my attention right now, so I can't say first hand that Faux Consent Simulator/Bootleg Consent Simulator/We Have Consent Simulator At Home is now "fixed" when it was never broken to begin with.

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[cannavaro99]

mods could we please erease the last...dunno...2 or 3 pages?