Ren'Py The Null Hypothesis [v0.8b1] [Ron Chon]

[harem.king]

That's just it. She is too eager. She's that desperate to keep that contact with Null. Remember, the girl has been starved of physical touch for years. And now she can touch someone. A guy who (generally speaking) is kind, funny, considerate and from the comments of the girls, good looking. He's a catch and she can be in the running for that. When someone is that desperate, they'll give up anything to keep it. And it's not healthy.

Have you ever stopped to think why it is (potentially) not healthy to be exceptionally dedicated towards someone?
Because that someone can exploit you or abuse you.
So just don't exploit and abuse her. (shocking idea, I know)

> I don't want my lover to truly desperately love me because it is unhealthy because if I was a shit human being I could exploit her

is one of the most silly ass backwards pseudo logics I have ever come across.

So long as you are not abusing them, it is actually a good thing. Very sweet and romantic. And also means she is very unlikely to betray you. And are very dedicated to pleasing you. It can form a very strong long lasting happy relationship. Where you are satisfied by an eager to please partner and the partner is satisfied just by having you.

It is a conditional effect.
If you are abusing them, only then it becomes a bad thing... for them, not for you. For you it is also a good thing because they are easier to abuse.

So either it is a good thing because loyalty, romance, easy to please, happy long relationship.
Or it is a good thing because easy victim.
No matter what it isn't a drawback for you.
Thus it is not a reasonable reason to reject rogue.

 

[Knight]

The quirks are responses to emotional, mental and possibly physical trauma, and depending on how you look at it, encouraging them is taking advantage of that trauma.

I agree with that part, Null should absolutely discourage the more extreme elements of their behavior. Giving in a little bit in private is one thing but stuff like Laura stalking you is no good for everyone involved.
That being said sometimes it's the only way to get it out of someones system, encouraging it is wrong but letting them vent a bit with someone they trust is a good way to work through it.

 

[blarg0192]

...Yall know that this is just a game right?

 

[Evil13]

...Yall know that this is just a game right?

Noooo? Really? However could we have missed that?

 

[bismism]

I'm baffled that this has even reached a point of debate to this degree, but I gotta be frank:
All I'm reading is that some people are incapable of seeing how something beneficial for themselves specifically could be detrimental to others involved. Praying for y'all.
And yes, this is a game - it is simply fiction - but this has still (somehow) revealed a little too much about our peers all the same. Leave it to a porn game to shed light on the human condition in such a raw manner

More on topic, though: this debate did prompt me to wonder if there might be some wisdom is having the quirks have stages to them, rather than simply being "on/off" - or is that already something implemented, and I've just not clocked that it was happening yet?
If not, I think it would address some of the concerns that have been voiced. Granted, I also understand that this would be more work in the long run as well, and I can't say if it would be worth the effort in the long-run. Would still be interesting, though!

 

[sleepingkirby]

Man, this is all really interesting. If I had a psych degree, I would probably be geeking out on this.

> I don't want my lover to truly desperately love me because it is unhealthy because if I was a shit human being I could exploit her

is one of the most silly ass backwards pseudo logics I have ever come across.

So long as you are not abusing them, it is actually a good thing. Very sweet and romantic. And also means she is very unlikely to betray you.

I get your point. I think what Evil is referring to is this school of thought that, sometimes, people who are overly passive/submissive/apologetic the people they are with, over a long period of time, can develop tendencies to, for the lack of a better word, take for granted and, thus, unconsciously exploit the person.
I think you're right. If all's right in the world. if the person someone like Rogue is with is like a rock/is centering/has a foundation-ing personality, being extremely passive and submissive wouldn't have problems. I also think that most other people don't trust themselves enough to say with good confidence that they are that type of person. I mean, to be someone like that, that person would have to be very emotionally mature. Like, wise beyond his age, kind of maturity. And that's a bit of a rarity. Not impossible, mind you, but extremely rare.

 

[hoorrdoorr]

Part of the problem with Jean is how she came to be a student of Xavier.

I KNEW THAT X STAND FOR EXTRAPEDOPHILE, NOT XAVIER!
I understand that Jean has troubled past. But still she had time to heal and grow up.
She is portrayed as a smart woman who unfortunately is a control freak. And at the same time Jean is a telepath.
The question is not whether she should be pitied (but yeah, i feel sorry for her) or whether she is dangerous to others and whether she will break people’s minds.
And the answer to this question is yes

 

[ShinyBoots1993]

That whole 50/50 shit is what ruins relationships.

I think most people think more of the effort put into a relationship. It doesn't have to be a perfect 50/50 but you should try to put work into the relationship.

...Yall know that this is just a game right?

And we got people invested enough to debate.

Leave it to a porn game to shed light on the human condition in such a raw manner

As we intended.

More on topic, though: this debate did prompt me to wonder if there might be some wisdom is having the quirks have stages to them, rather than simply being "on/off" - or is that already something implemented, and I've just not clocked that it was happening yet?

The quirks will be explored further in future chapters.

 

[Shitty]

Since Null doesn't have any legs during sex scenes whenever I look at him it reminds me of a karate dummy.

 

[ShinyBoots1993]

Since Null doesn't have any legs during sex scenes whenever I look at him it reminds me of a karate dummy. View attachment 4204958

He has legs during blowjob scenes.

 

[Shitty]

He has legs during blowjob scenes.

oh yeah he does I forgot. Still gonna see him as a karate dummy though.

 

[adanu]

Have you ever stopped to think why it is (potentially) not healthy to be exceptionally dedicated towards someone?
Because that someone can exploit you or abuse you

This sounds like a you problem, not a general problem.

I would be very happy with someone dedicated to me and would treat them well.

 

[salscou]

This sounds like a you problem, not a general problem.

I would be very happy with someone dedicated to me and would treat them well.

Theres a difference between dedication and obsession though.

 

[adanu]

Theres a difference between dedication and obsession though.

Sure. I don't mind obsession if it can be channeled properly.

 

[Casted420]

As we intended.

Mark my words, Shiny will write a damn dissertation by the end of this game. "Of men and porngames: From doomer to coomer"

 

[salscou]

Mark my words, Shiny will write a damn dissertation by the end of this game. "Of men and porngames: From doomer to coomer"

Id read that, Shinny is using us for his thesis i bet.

 

[ShinyBoots1993]

Mark my words, Shiny will write a damn dissertation by the end of this game. "Of men and porngames: From doomer to coomer"

Shhhhh

Id read that, Shinny is using us for his thesis i bet.

For ethical reasons I'd have to disclose if I was.

 

[Buttholder]

I'm baffled that this has even reached a point of debate to this degree, but I gotta be frank:
All I'm reading is that some people are incapable of seeing how something beneficial for themselves specifically could be detrimental to others involved. Praying for y'all.
And yes, this is a game - it is simply fiction - but this has still (somehow) revealed a little too much about our peers all the same. Leave it to a porn game to shed light on the human condition in such a raw manner

You joke, but everything non-pornographic I've written for the game, I've taken entirely seriously and written like it's not, ultimately, for a porn game. Yeah, I'm not writing The Brothers Karamazov, Atlas Shrugged or Billy and the Cloneasaurus, but some of the stuff we're dealing with, I also have extensive background experience in. And from what people have said (the multiple 'I was so invested, I forgot to jerk off' comments we've received, the people theorizing where the plot is going and the occasional requests for a SFW version), the added realism and sincerity seems to be working.

 

[SHADOWM00N]

So, uh... to change topic for a bit, was it explained in-game how Xavier manages to telepathically speak with Null considering that Null, you know, nullifies others' mutant abilities? Been some time since I last played the game.

 

[Buttholder]

So, uh... to change topic for a bit, was it explained in-game how Xavier manages to telepathically speak with Null considering that Null, you know, nullifies others' mutant abilities? Been some time since I last played the game.

The short version is that he can stop someone activating their powers and nullify the effects over a short distance, but not a longer one. The obvious example is that he can stop Jean using her powers close up, but if she launches a radiator at him from the other side of the room, there's fuck all he can do about it except get out of the way. Same with Xavier, he can send his thoughts to people and those people can pick them up. Actively reading Null's mind may be more difficult or not as clear, but it's still possible. And, towards the end of the first chapter, he's gaining more control over his abilities, so having it turned off while psychic communication is happening can be a thing.