Ren'Py The Null Hypothesis [v0.8c] [Ron Chon]

[Ballistic 9029]

Also leaving a note here, since I know I was complaining about some weird performance issues and crashing a while back, it seems like it might've been caused by browser settings, not just game settings. Anyone using a web browser while having the game open should also probably disable hardware acceleration/graphics acceleration in their browser settings.

Opera GX been causing me hella problems the past week or so, and I finally narrowed it down to around the time I briefly enabled the setting a while back for some browser games and forgot to disable it. Caused a bunch of weird "memory" related problems, like idle programs crashing over night and random crashes for both browser and other programs saying "Ran out of memory" even if memory usage doesn't exceed 50-60%.

Just a bunch of weird issues really. Thought something was going bad with my PC until I turned it back off.

 

[Ballistic 9029]

I'm currently at level 10, it just takes a lot of XP, just be sure to buy that perk that gives you more XP to lessen the farm

This reminds me, what's the current max level? I know it goes up by 5 every chapter, but we're still in chapter 1.

I can't remember if the level related achievements are possible without cheats or not.

 

[Karmadive]

This reminds me, what's the current max level? I know it goes up by 5 every chapter, but we're still in chapter 1.

I can't remember if the level related achievements are possible without cheats or not.

I believe level limits are 15 for chapter 1, 2 & 3.
Chapter 4 is 20
Chapter 5 is 25
Chapter 6 is 30

 

[The_Man_With_No_Name]

You guys can't bait me. My will is strong.
I'm not going to decompress the files again and hunt down the script for levels...

 

[Null Void Abyss]

You guys can't bait me. My will is strong.
I'm not going to decompress the files again and hunt down the script for levels...
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[The_Man_With_No_Name]

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fine

 

[SuperMaxo]

Have been aware of this game for a while, but never really played it until the last few days.

So, let me get this straight: game is slowly getting meat on its bones, and therefore not all perks or mutant abilities that you can unlock currently has a use in the game, is that correct?

 

[Tommy7358]

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Yoinked for the All-In-One Post, thanks.

 

[The_Man_With_No_Name]

Yoinked for the All-In-One Post, thanks.

Under "aaaaaaa"?
Ok, I see now. Under level cap.
You should have a note maybe with Scottish a page back about how xp gain slows at level 7. I don't know. Doesn't really matter. People will insist on reaching cap even though it will be 15 for the next 2 chapters and even something like level 6 is perfectly ok for ch1 considering ultimate cap is 30.

 

[Tommy7358]

Under "aaaaaaa"?
Ok, I see now. Under level cap.
You should have a note maybe with Scottish a page back about how xp gain slows at level 7. I don't know. Doesn't really matter. People will insist on reaching cap even though it will be 15 for the next 2 chapters and even something like level 6 is perfectly ok for ch1 considering ultimate cap is 30.

I'm considering it because I just KNOW people (like me) will want to reach the level cap in Chapter 1 even though level 15 is the cap for the next two chapters too; yet they will complain about slow level progression here without looking up why (unlike me).

...You know what, adding in a note that levelling slows down immensely around level 7 to head off the complaints. Maybe I'll even find that exp post by freddygonzo that explains the massive increase in experience required after around level 7/level 8.

Edit: Done.

 

[The_Man_With_No_Name]

I'm considering it because I just KNOW people (like me) will want to reach the level cap in Chapter 1 even though level 15 is the cap for the next two chapters too; yet they will complain about slow level progression here without looking up why (unlike me).

...You know what, adding in a note that levelling slows down immensely around level 7 to head off the complaints. Maybe I'll even find that exp post by freddygonzo that explains the massive increase in experience required after around level 7/level 8.

I'd find the exact xp tables, but if I'm being totally honest, I don't really like how TNH files are organized. I mean, why wouldn't xp tables be in something called "progression"?
Why have mechanics under core->mechanics and then also have a separate mechanics folder outside of that with more scripts? And that's not even the only example of that and not counting how a system could be dictated by things in multiple folders or scripts.

Anyway, the recurring thing is that people want to max a game built for things that aren't out yet.

Karmadive found the formula at one point.

Edit: Found his post.
His edit makes a good point.

 

[Tommy7358]

I'd find the exact xp tables, but if I'm being totally honest, I don't really like how TNH files are organized. I mean, why wouldn't xp tables be in something called "progression"?
Why have mechanics under core->mechanics and then also have a separate mechanics folder with more scripts? And that's not even the only example of that and not counting how a system could be dictated by things in multiple folders or scripts.

You don't NEED to do that as I don't think there's a need to list out the exact experience amount to level up since letting people know experience requirements increase massively after a certain threshold works perfectly fine to get the point across.

Do you think it's something the coders can redo without too much hassle if ShinyBoots1993 brought it up to them now considering v1.0 is still a ways off? Because to me it sounds a bit unintuitive but ultimately a minor nuisance that doesn't affect anything in a major way.

I did ask sleepingkirby about how much more mod friendly the game is compared to other Ren'Py games and the gist of his answer was, "Better than the average Ren'Py game that wasn't built for modding and gets more things right than not in terms of moddability but has aspects that could still improve"; such as the pathing thing you mentioned.

 

[The_Man_With_No_Name]

I don't think there's a need to list out the exact experience amount to level up since letting people know experience requirements increase massively after a certain point works perfectly fine.

Do you think it's something the coders can redo without too much hassle if ShinyBoots1993 brought it up to them now considering v1.0 is still a ways off? Because to me it sounds a bit unintuitive but ultimately a minor nuisance that doesn't affect anything in a major way.

I did ask sleepingkirby about how much more mod friendly the game is compared to other Ren'Py games and the gist of his answer was, "Better than the average Ren'Py game that wasn't built for modding and gets more things right than not in terms of moddability but has aspects that could still improve"; such as the pathing thing you mentioned.

Nah. If it makes sense to Ron that's all that matters. Better to have his work situation be smooth since he's the one that works on it the most. The rest can work with it.
I'm not really much of a coder, but kirby is right that things aren't sloppy like you get with the average game made by non tech people, but you do wonder about things looking at the game.

Like Karmadrive mentioned in his post(check my edit), I do wonder what the design logic is behind the level throttling.

 

[Tommy7358]

Nah. If it makes sense to Ron that's all that matters. Better to have his work situation be smooth since he's the one that works on it the most. The rest can work with it.
I'm not really much of a coder, but kirby is right that things aren't sloppy like you get with the average game made by non tech people, but you do wonder about things looking at the game.

Like Karmadrive mentioned in his post(check my edit), I do wonder what the design logic is behind the level throttling.

Good point, if Ron is happy with it and it's not utterly incomprehensible to others who look at the code then another pathing change probably isn't needed I guess.

Thanks, I'll add it to the All-In-One Post. If Boots can't explain the design logic behind the steep experience gradient on pain of hammers to him and his loved ones we'll see what the dev team is cooking with it eventually.

 

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Meanwhile The_Man_With_No_Name and Tommy7358 :

 

[salscou]

Have been aware of this game for a while, but never really played it until the last few days.

So, let me get this straight: game is slowly getting meat on its bones, and therefore not all perks or mutant abilities that you can unlock currently has a use in the game, is that correct?

Yes, its still in development, so things arent complete.

 

[Tommy7358]

Meanwhile The_Man_With_No_Name and Tommy7358 :
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Come on man, can't a guy yap with another to tide us over the ever so long wait for v1.0/v1.1? And yes, I do realise I tend to type very long sentences sometimes.

 

[Insomnimaniac Games]

Not a timeline, but theres the roadmap, conding hsould be done at 1.0, 1.1 onwards will be story and characters.
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Somebody say Headpats?

 

[salscou]

Somebody say Headpats?

It is canonical, too.

 

[Insomnimaniac Games]

It is canonical, too.

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I wish to headpat Rogue. Those convos with her about how lonely she has been triggers my internal need to headpat.