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Ren'Py The Null Hypothesis [v0.8c] [Ron Chon]
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The_Man_With_No_Name
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Have been aware of this game for a while, but never really played it until the last few days.
So, let me get this straight: game is slowly getting meat on its bones, and therefore not all perks or mutant abilities that you can unlock currently has a use in the game, is that correct?
So, let me get this straight: game is slowly getting meat on its bones, and therefore not all perks or mutant abilities that you can unlock currently has a use in the game, is that correct?
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Yoinked for the All-In-One Post, thanks.
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Under "aaaaaaa"?
Ok, I see now. Under level cap.
You should have a note maybe with Scottish a page back about how xp gain slows at level 7. I don't know. Doesn't really matter. People will insist on reaching cap even though it will be 15 for the next 2 chapters and even something like level 6 is perfectly ok for ch1 considering ultimate cap is 30.
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I'm considering it because I just KNOW people (like me) will want to reach the level cap in Chapter 1 even though level 15 is the cap for the next two chapters too; yet they will complain about slow level progression here without looking up why (unlike me).Under "aaaaaaa"?
Ok, I see now. Under level cap.
You should have a note maybe with Scottish a page back about how xp gain slows at level 7. I don't know. Doesn't really matter. People will insist on reaching cap even though it will be 15 for the next 2 chapters and even something like level 6 is perfectly ok for ch1 considering ultimate cap is 30.
...You know what, adding in a note that levelling slows down immensely around level 7 to head off the complaints. Maybe I'll even find that exp post by freddygonzo that explains the massive increase in experience required after around level 7/level 8.
Edit: Done.
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I'd find the exact xp tables, but if I'm being totally honest, I don't really like how TNH files are organized. I mean, why wouldn't xp tables be in something called "progression"?
Why have mechanics under core->mechanics and then also have a separate mechanics folder outside of that with more scripts? And that's not even the only example of that and not counting how a system could be dictated by things in multiple folders or scripts.
Anyway, the recurring thing is that people want to max a game built for things that aren't out yet.
Karmadive found the formula at one point.
Edit: Found his post.
His edit makes a good point.
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You don't NEED to do that as I don't think there's a need to list out the exact experience amount to level up since letting people know experience requirements increase massively after a certain threshold works perfectly fine to get the point across.
Do you think it's something the coders can redo without too much hassle if ShinyBoots1993 brought it up to them now considering v1.0 is still a ways off? Because to me it sounds a bit unintuitive but ultimately a minor nuisance that doesn't affect anything in a major way.
I did ask sleepingkirby about how much more mod friendly the game is compared to other Ren'Py games and the gist of his answer was, "Better than the average Ren'Py game that wasn't built for modding and gets more things right than not in terms of moddability but has aspects that could still improve"; such as the pathing thing you mentioned.
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Nah. If it makes sense to Ron that's all that matters. Better to have his work situation be smooth since he's the one that works on it the most. The rest can work with it.
I'm not really much of a coder, but kirby is right that things aren't sloppy like you get with the average game made by non tech people, but you do wonder about things looking at the game.
Like Karmadrive mentioned in his post(check my edit), I do wonder what the design logic is behind the level throttling.
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Good point, if Ron is happy with it and it's not utterly incomprehensible to others who look at the code then another pathing change probably isn't needed I guess.
Thanks, I'll add it to the All-In-One Post. If Boots can't explain the design logic behind the steep experience gradient on pain of hammers to him and his loved ones we'll see what the dev team is cooking with it eventually.
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Come on man, can't a guy yap with another to tide us over the ever so long wait for v1.0/v1.1? And yes, I do realise I tend to type very long sentences sometimes.
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I wish to headpat Rogue. Those convos with her about how lonely she has been triggers my internal need to headpat.
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No shi!
but seriously tho it's nice to see you both so infested in conversation it's like reading "50ty shades of grey"Ps: nothing gay here..
The short answer is, it's a programming thing. The long answer is, basically every event, person, something you can conceptually call a thing is an instantiation from a class or the like (Or "factory pattern" for those that took programming patterns in college). There's a fine line to what you want to define in the class statically and what you want defined to the instance. And that itself gets into code intuitive-ness, data security (not for hackers, but other classes or instantiations from polluting the class) and data mixing. And then, there's the "Let's just put it here for now. I'll find a better place for it later." that happens a lot when you're working on a significant sized code base. Some times, you just need a place to put some values and inside the the class definitions is the easiest way to do it
Would I have done it the same way? No. Is there anything wrong with doing it this way? Absolutely not. Up to a certain point, it's all subjective. And ultimately...
To Karmadive 's point, I made a very, VERY similar point way back when (I think my line was "If the story is dependent on a certain level, tie the story to the level, not the level to the story"). Got so much heat and people jumping down my throat that my posts, among so many other's, were deleted. People swore up and down that the grind was good, not too slow and, if it was any faster, it would absolutely ruin the game... Then I made the cheat injector and the game's not ruined. I even got some lines like "That's just the way things are. You've just gotta accept it or play another game." My reply was...well, the cheat injector was born.
With that said, I had considered breaking the level cap. But since the level didn't really do anything at the time, I opted to implement skill points instead.
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She's also lonely because she's a juggalo.
