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Sounds kind of gay. I know if Peter will actually get together with MJ for good (or will continue to have this "polycule" thingy), then Felicia will need someone too, but not sure I want to have her as a donu(ll)t steel guy. I would rather play as Parker instead.
Not sure what you mean by "a donu(ll)t steel guy", "do not steal guy"? Also, it has been stated a few times that the writers only want to write one protagonist per setting and frankly I very much prefer this approach too.

Because there's probably no need to change the protagonist for every game in the same setting because one of the big draws of TNH in my opinion is the self-insert power fantasy of having your own character in a comic faithful X-Men/Marvel universe and deciding what their personality and choices will be; and surely there's plenty of enough material and stories to tell about Null on Earth-69 right?

Boots has also said that the head writer (who is Maddeninggg if I'm not wrong) made a convincing argument that it'll be much easier on the writers if they continued with Null as the protagonist for any subsequent TNH sequels.
 
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Not sure what you mean by "a donu(ll)t steel guy", "do not steal guy"?
It's a pun, mate. (ll) forms Null and "donut steel" refers to the fact that he's obviously inspired by RLE's Zero. He also kind of copies other mutants' powers.
the self-insert power fantasy of having your own character in a comic faithful X-Men/Marvel universe and deciding what their personality and choices will be
Well, I'm not really a fan of blantant power fantasies. It feels wrong to be the big dick cheney that gets all the attention. Both RLE and TNH have it, obviously, but you can control it through your actions, thankfully.
Not to mention that the game doesn't really have a lot of choices, really. You mostly choose a girl and an attitude, which will work for a lot of non self-insert characters.
I guess that Felicia/Peter is just too iconic for me, so getting her as a someone other than Parker feels wrong. Yeah, yeah, he has other women in this universe, but still... Don't want to semi cuck ol' Pete, you know?
 

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Well, I'm not really a fan of blantant power fantasies. It feels wrong to be the big dick cheney that gets all the attention. Both RLE and TNH have it, obviously, but you can control it through your actions, thankfully.
Not to mention that the game doesn't really have a lot of choices, really. You mostly choose a girl and an attitude, which will work for a lot of non self-insert characters.
Well by power fantasy I meant more having your own character and being able to define their choices and personality.

As for the current lack of choices, I have no doubts that the game will open up in the future. Chapter 1 is the tutorial level/beginning village of the game where the world, the characters, the main plot and other things gets set up and it's not even fully complete yet.

I've also highlighted the metric Jesus ton of writing and seemingly sisyphean task the writers have to deal with as the game progresses here and here at the game's current planned scope and scale so no worries there either.
 
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If I can give my two cents, I kinda hope the Love Interests options stay only on the X-Men side.
We can maybe have other marvel girls in another game, with another customizable protagonist. *wink wink*
Maybe the devs can make like a shared universe with different games covering different sides of marvel in the same style as TNH ya know? *wink wink*
 
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If I can give my two cents, I kinda hope the Love Interests options stay only on the X-Men side.
We can maybe have other marvel girls in another game, with another customizable protagonist. *wink wink*
Maybe the devs can make like a shared universe with different games covering different sides of marvel in the same style as TNH ya know? *wink wink*

I've already shared my opinion about it a few posts up so that's where we differ in opinions then; I would much rather Null's story be continued in any hypothetical TNH sequel(s) than have another protagonist set in the same Marvel setting and currently as far as I know the writers think so too. In any case, it is probably far too early to speculate about such things since Chapter 1 isn't fully completed yet.
 
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In any case, it is probably far too early to speculate about such things since Chapter 1 isn't fully completed yet.
Well, to be brutally honest, I doubt that the game will completed at all. We'll be lucky if 2 chapters will see the light, I think. The topic was made in 2022, so that's three years in the making, yet the first chapter is still not completed. And taking into account your posts, it just doesn't seem plausable that it will ever be completed, the scope is too great.
 

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Well, to be brutally honest, I doubt that the game will completed at all. We'll be lucky if 2 chapters will see the light, I think. The topic was made in 2022, so that's three years in the making, yet the first chapter is still not completed. And taking into account your posts, it just doesn't seem plausable that it will ever be completed, the scope is too great.
The justice of my sperm disagrees
 

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Well, to be brutally honest, I doubt that the game will completed at all. We'll be lucky if 2 chapters will see the light, I think. The topic was made in 2022, so that's three years in the making, yet the first chapter is still not completed. And taking into account your posts, it just doesn't seem plausable that it will ever be completed, the scope is too great.
The only way to make it faster is to send some greens to the development team
 

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Well, to be brutally honest, I doubt that the game will completed at all. We'll be lucky if 2 chapters will see the light, I think. The topic was made in 2022, so that's three years in the making, yet the first chapter is still not completed. And taking into account your posts, it just doesn't seem plausable that it will ever be completed, the scope is too great.
Fair enough, I don't know what will happen in the future; if I did, I'd buy a winning lottery ticket and fully fund the game but alas. Still, I'm not going to worry about things that may or may not happen in the future and just show my enthusiasim and support for the game and donate some money every now and again when I'm able to in the here and now.

As it is the planned scale and scope of TNH is a major reason why I'm so excited for it in the first place. Besides, while unfortunately quite rare to see in porn games, there are those rare few games that manage to be successfully completed after years worth of development and without compromising on the original vision to boot. If the tour de force that is The Last Sovereign can do it after 9 years, there's no reason not to hold out hope that the Null Hypothesis can do so as well.

Plus the dev team planned development in a way that if worse comes to worst then Chapter 1 would be a complete experience on its own.
 
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ShinyBoots1993 I have a question about your "grind" post from earlier today

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Are you talking about Love and Trust only? This part is almost trivial by now for me - after several playthroughs I find all convenient ways to do it. But if you want to see all optional events - relationship between girls will bite your ass hard. In the current save I was ready to end summer at the day 2, but to get friendships levels high enough I spent another 10 and I still a little short on friendship points. Kinda feels grindy.

Maybe this 2 parts should be reviewed separately? As in two polls instead of one?
 

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Well, to be brutally honest, I doubt that the game will completed at all. We'll be lucky if 2 chapters will see the light, I think. The topic was made in 2022, so that's three years in the making, yet the first chapter is still not completed. And taking into account your posts, it just doesn't seem plausable that it will ever be completed, the scope is too great.
I'm gonna bookmark this post to see if you'll eat crow in the future.
 

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Well, to be brutally honest, I doubt that the game will completed at all. We'll be lucky if 2 chapters will see the light, I think. The topic was made in 2022, so that's three years in the making, yet the first chapter is still not completed. And taking into account your posts, it just doesn't seem plausable that it will ever be completed, the scope is too great.
Even if that were the case, I really enjoyed this game. It even motivated me to look into the ren'py engine (which is simple but very poorly documented) and, in my opinion, is a must play for every X-Men fan (just like RLE), even if it's not finished.
 
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Possible (minor) graphic bug

In season 1 (fall), after you accept to be X-23's friend, she thinks for a few days about what friendship means between a boy and a girl, and if this means Null and her are boyfriend and girlfriend.
Then, one night, she calls Null on the phone and demands to meet him urgently, with questions that only Rogue can answer

Thing is, she comes to Null's room dressed in whatever she was wearing in the previous time period, even if if doesn't stay within the shame parameters
 

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I personally think it would be cool to see some "difficulty" style tuning like a lot of open world games have for the grinding side of their games.

Turn off or raise/lower rates that some stats gain. So if you want a longer grind or shorter grind you can adjust the game to your liking more and would allow the players a bit more flexibility in the game they play.

I'm fortunate that I understand enough of coding to be able to do these things for myself, like switched the showering mechanic to be a buff that wears off instead of a debuff that is applied after a time. Rather get rewarded versus punished for mechanics in games you can easily space out on at times.

But I feel with how modifiable the code is getting it wouldn't be too much to add in sliders or toggles into the game options, the only downside would be some people would have different scales they could be playing when troubleshooting as well as clogging up the options screen with a lot of optional features.

The Developers could still have their Default values and could put the disclaimer that any deviation from them would not be their indented gameplay experience.
 
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If I'm recalling correctly, wasn't She-Hulk mentioned as being in one too? Or was that just a fan theory which sounds likely considering She-Hulk's personality? :unsure:
Fan theory. While I expand and clarify on a lot of things, interpersonal relationships like this are left ambiguous and approached for when we actually need to address it.

Speaking of Triple J, does he mainly hate Spiderman because he's hiding his identity and The Man With Three Js hates people who do so because his first wife got killed by a masked hitman alongside some combination of greed or is that just true in some alternative timelines and not the main one?
Well unless they changed things, the main reason JJ hates Spider-Man is because of collateral damage and a lack of accountability.

He doesn't complain about the Avengers because they did have oversight even prior to the mutant Registration Act.

It wasn't common but I know JJ also attacked Dare Devil. Though if you know anything about Dare Devil, you know his rogue's gallery doesn't compare to Spidey's when it comes to level of destruction.

Despite the attempts at character assassination, JJ does genuinely care about the average human being powers or no powers. He's a vocal mutant rights activist

While this event didn't happen in 616, Jamerson doesn't hesitate to possibly have his throat ripped out if it meant protecting Peter Parker from the Green Goblin.

This is a trait common among Jamersons that don't have petty or biased writers.

who is Maddeninggg if I'm not wrong
You're not wrong.

yet the first chapter is still not completed.
It is completed. 0.8 was the Chapter 1 Finale update.

We're working on some core systems and introducing other features before moving onto Chapter 2.

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Well, I'm not really a fan of blantant power fantasies. It feels wrong to be the big dick cheney that gets all the attention. Both RLE and TNH have it, obviously, but you can control it through your actions, thankfully.
Have you played this game? Null gets his shit kicked in more than once and even his wins are hard won or take a toll on his health.

Without spoiling things, what Null went through during the finale of Chapter 1 isn't gonna simply be walked off.

The world at large very much does not care about Null. Even The Shadow King's interest in him is very much "Huh, that's different" not "He is the chosen one!"

Character's like Laura can easily kill Null just by stabbing him in the head, or cutting it off. A gun will do it too.

I'm sorry if it sounds like I'm harping but Null very much is not a power fantasy and knowing that fact is very important to keep in mind as we move into the Phoenix Saga.

To those who have finished the Chapter 1 finale, I'm letting you know right now that Null isn't gonna be able to pull that off again.

Not to mention that the game doesn't really have a lot of choices, really. You mostly choose a girl and an attitude, which will work for a lot of non self-insert characters.
You're not paying attention then. There are several instances where you can describe your life prior to the events that lead to the game's start.

Whether or not Null is an orphan, his relationship with his parents foster or otherwise, you can choose what your scholarship was focused on, some of his political and religious beliefs.

And after going through the intro recently I pointed out that there was room to add even more dialogue options to it to flesh out your Null.

It may not be obvious since we spread it out throughout the game but we did that because Null telling someone about himself is a more diegetic way of having that information woven into the story than just giving you a form to fill out when you get to the mansion.

Code monkeys like pepplez and sleepingkirby can and have looked into the files and pointed out more than once that we have place holder flags for conversations and Null details prepared for when the writing is finished and can be plugged in.

I guess that Felicia/Peter is just too iconic for me, so getting her as a someone other than Parker feels wrong. Yeah, yeah, he has other women in this universe, but still... Don't want to semi cuck ol' Pete, you know?
If it makes you feel better, I'm actually advocating for Felicia to be part of Peter's polycule whenever discussion of it comes up.

Are you talking about Love and Trust only? This part is almost trivial by now for me - after several playthroughs I find all convenient ways to do it.
It's the one I get complaints about the most.

But if you want to see all optional events - relationship between girls will bite your ass hard. In the current save I was ready to end summer at the day 2, but to get friendships levels high enough I spent another 10 and I still a little short on friendship points. Kinda feels grindy.
I wasn't considering friendship because it's actually easier to gain and we're adding even more methods of doing it. The girls just have to do things together with you to gain friendship. It's actually why they're accepting of doing poly because you spend time together doing training and studying.

One idea that's on the todo list is playing video games both at the mansion and the mall's arcade.

As something to hype people up, these two events will likely be the first ones you can invite Nightcrawler to hang out with you.

Possible (minor) graphic bug
I threw it at the devs.

I'm fortunate that I understand enough of coding to be able to do these things for myself, like switched the showering mechanic to be a buff that wears off instead of a debuff that is applied after a time. Rather get rewarded versus punished for mechanics in games you can easily space out on at times.
I actually like this. I'm gonna include it in my next feedback ping.

But I feel with how modifiable the code is getting it wouldn't be too much to add in sliders or toggles into the game options, the only downside would be some people would have different scales they could be playing when troubleshooting as well as clogging up the options screen with a lot of optional features.
I don't know enough about coding to comment on this but the devs will see it when I link your post to them.
 

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I wasn't considering friendship because it's actually easier to gain and we're adding even more methods of doing it. The girls just have to do things together with you to gain friendship. It's actually why they're accepting of doing poly because you spend time together doing training and studying.
I'm not talking about having multiple girlfriends at once - it's something you could just postpone to next season or chapter and accumulate points little by little. I'm more concerned about optional events which you have to get now, during this exact season or you'll miss that opportunity. And having girls training together multiple times per day, having classes together, taking them to town together for days is getting quite tiresome, especially without any visible changes. "X relationship improved with Y" is a helpful message, but you have to improve it multiple times with no way to tell how far you have progressed. Love and Trust have exact indicators which makes progress feel more - don't know how to put it - obvious?
 

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I'm not talking about having multiple girlfriends at once - it's something you could just postpone to next season or chapter and accumulate points little by little. I'm more concerned about optional events which you have to get now, during this exact season or you'll miss that opportunity. And having girls training together multiple times per day, having classes together, taking them to town together for days is getting quite tiresome, especially without any visible changes. "X relationship improved with Y" is a helpful message, but you have to improve it multiple times with no way to tell how far you have progressed. Love and Trust have exact indicators which makes progress feel more - don't know how to put it - obvious?
The TNHUXmod (linked on the OP) allows you to see the friendship between girls with exact numerical indicators
 

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I'm not talking about having multiple girlfriends at once - it's something you could just postpone to next season or chapter and accumulate points little by little. I'm more concerned about optional events which you have to get now, during this exact season or you'll miss that opportunity. And having girls training together multiple times per day, having classes together, taking them to town together for days is getting quite tiresome, especially without any visible changes. "X relationship improved with Y" is a helpful message, but you have to improve it multiple times with no way to tell how far you have progressed. Love and Trust have exact indicators which makes progress feel more - don't know how to put it - obvious?
Potentially missing out on seasonal events due to Stat Caps By Season is the reason why I'll probably leave it off in my playthrough even if it doesn't feel quite right to have all three Love Interest stats for everyone maxed out in the very first season unless the Stat Caps are adjusted so that you could still see all non-exclusive events even when stat capped.
 
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