Ren'Py The Null Hypothesis [v0.8c] [Ron Chon]

[sleepingkirby]

This is something I really hope they improve. There are a bunch of hidden flags in the game for scenes that are supposed to trigger but no indication at all in what you're supposed to do to trigger them. I've played through the game twice and still haven't gotten Laura to want to have sex. It would be really nice if there was something you could do proactively as a player in order to unlock this content instead of waiting for the game to decide it wants it to happen or at least a quest journal that said "wander around the halls until Laura talks to you" or "go to sleep by yourself over and over until she shows up in your room." At a certain point you have no idea if the game isn't doing what it's supposed to or you're not doing some very specific thing that they based the next scene triggering off of.

Well, you can kind of call them hidden, but, for the most part, they're not. As I said in my cheat injector thread:

These flags are applied in a linear fashion, but not related to each other in any linear way.

So, as long as you're doing the quests, you'll be fine. Basically, a lot of people think that the quests are opened by stats alone when they're not. Here are the conditions for sex with Laura:

[
            "Laura in Partners",

            "EventScheduler.check('Laura_I_love_you', condition = '<= day - 3')",

            "Player.location == Player.home",
            "not Present",

            "approval_check(Laura, threshold = Laura_thresholds['sex'])",

            "Laura.is_in_normal_mood()"]

So, Laura has to be a partner, it has to be 3 days after she's said "I love you", you have to be home, she has to not be there, she can't be mad at your and her approval has to reach a certain threshold (stats). The other thing to note is that some of these quests are chapter/season sensitive. I think, since this game was inspired from RLE, people think "If I get enough points, they'll fuck me.". But that's not how it works in this game nor is it how it works in reality.

 

[DinkleDonk]

Finally really getting into making custom outfits now that they've added so many options and wow does the performance get bad quickly. I get the sense that recolouring has a big impact. Does anybody have an idea of what bounds to stay in to keep the game running smoothly?
EDIT: I'm wondering if it's all memory performance hurdles, since nothing is actually spiking in Task Manager

 

[jvbatman]

[
            "Laura in Partners",

            "EventScheduler.check('Laura_I_love_you', condition = '<= day - 3')",

            "Player.location == Player.home",
            "not Present",

            "approval_check(Laura, threshold = Laura_thresholds['sex'])",

            "Laura.is_in_normal_mood()"]

So, Laura has to be a partner, it has to be 3 days after she's said "I love you", you have to be home, she has to not be there, she can't be mad at your and her approval has to reach a certain threshold (stats). The other thing to note is that some of these quests are chapter/season sensitive. I think, since this game was inspired from RLE, people think "If I get enough points, they'll fuck me.". But that's not how it works in this game nor is it how it works in reality.

Yeah all of this is hidden from the player. The ones that only happen in a particular chapter are particularly egregious since you can really speedrun the chapters if you want at get them done in 3-4 days of game time and because the quest log says you're all done you'd just move on and miss out on whatever was supposed to happen. All I'm asking is that the game tells me about this crap so I know if I'm going to miss something and I'm not just skipping through a week of days just to see if a random scene is going to pop up "3 days later".

 

[ShinyBoots1993]

Year One rounded out.

Unless someone on the dev team does something in their off time before it's finished, this is gonna be the focus of our next major update.

Images of Cecilia added.

A possibility.

Storm introduced as a full character.

Next chapter.

At least one further new love interest

Three per chapter and maybe more if we still have the creative energy for it.

Other male characters to interact with

I'm actively pushing for more and as long as it doesn't eat into the budget too much we have no reason to not include more.

(love rivals or maybe igloo brothers).

Mad already explained this bit.

Personally I don't mind love rivals and being able to high five Wolverine after banging Viper would be fun.

Different date options.

I have an entire list of fun ideas. Coney Island dates anyone?

Different work options.

As we expand the town, expanding the mansion is our current focus, we'll likely add more ways of making money.

Why would they do that? Bringing stuff like that into a game without announcing it beforehand only leads to disaster.

Yeah we wouldn't sneak in something like that.

"List of No" on discord

The FAQ linked in my signature also has this list.

wow does the performance get bad quickly.

We are working our butts off to solve this issue.

 

[DinkleDonk]

We are working our butts off to solve this issue.

Music to my ears! Still worth playing even when I've caused the engine to run like molasses

 

[ShinyBoots1993]

Yeah all of this is hidden from the player.

I honestly don't know what else we can do to be more transparent? We've added warnings at the end of seasons, nightcrawler outright breaks the fourth wall to explain core features, we've added micro-stats and indications to character menus.

Would you like us to open a dedicated email for hyper specific questions?

The ones that only happen in a particular chapter are particularly egregious since you can really speedrun the chapters if you want at get them done in 3-4 days of game time and because the quest log says you're all done you'd just move on and miss out on whatever was supposed to happen.

We openly advertise that the game isn't meant to be played this way.

If you want to speedrun to sex, play RLE. It's good for that purpose.

If you want to experience the stories... be patient and experience them dude.

 

[ShinyBoots1993]

My hope is this game will go for quality over quantity but time will tell.

PartyOn111
We are most definitely going for quality over quantity.

 

[jvbatman]

I honestly don't know what else we can do to be more transparent? We've added warnings at the end of seasons, nightcrawler outright breaks the fourth wall to explain core features, we've added micro-stats and indications to character menus.

Would you like us to open a dedicated email for hyper specific questions?


We openly advertise that the game isn't meant to be played this way.

If you want to speedrun to sex, play RLE. It's good for that purpose.

If you want to experience the stories... be patient and experience them dude.

It's more I just don't know when I've experienced them all and it's safe to move on. Like is it expected for us to just cycle days after doing all the quest stuff before going to the next quarter? Are there relationship scenes that only happen in specific quarters? It'd be nice to be able to be more proactive in the relationships in turns of asking the girls if they're ready for love or sex or whatever instead of just waiting for a random event. I end up not going on dates ever or asking them to sleep over because it seems like most of those scenes happen in the morning when you wake up in your room alone. Worrying about scene triggers is actively making me not want to pursue the girls in the manner I would prefer to.

I started a new playthrough with the new patch and purposely made Laura my primary girl just to see if I could finally unlock her sex. I'm in summer and she's doing anal but still not having the sex conversation. We had the love conversation with Rogue. In my previous save I'm like 27 days into summer and never got that scene to trigger and I don't know what I'm not doing that the game expects me to because there's no prompt. I study with her, I train with her, I date her, I wander around the halls, I got her friendship up with all the other girls. This is the hidden stuff I'm talking about.

 

[NexivSelecaf]

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Indeed I kinda can, Jean...

I mean, sure,

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[vitamin433]

In new raltionship window I noticed, that girls can be friends OR enemies. My mind was like: "CATFIGHTS!CATFIGHTS!CATFIGHTS!" Sooo the question: how can we push them to path of rivalty?? Asking for a friend, of course...

 

[vitamin433]

Glad you enjoyed the update. As for your wishlist we're actively working to finish the chapter 1 finale, and chapter 2 will introduce 3 new love interests, the only confirmed one of them being Storm. There will be more male NPCs to interact with in the future but there will not be any love triangles, igloo brothers, or any sharing of the girls with other guys.

About outfits for girls: in RLE I felt dumb about the fact, that girls do not have swimsuits. I mean cmon: You are here for long enough to operate on missions, but you still have no swimsuit?? Here on this game girls have already TONS of clothes from the start, and MC can make TONS of money as well. So, how about take some of their wardrobe away?? Not make it barren from start, but tie this to juggernaught event? Like it was a laundry, and SOMEBODY got it on fire. This way we can re-explore their clothes and outfits.

ps please: don't make a it a clown-car game. I saw it too much times already, how old characters are negleted, as more and more new ones are added.

 

[Maddeninggg]

Are there relationship scenes that only happen in specific quarters? Worrying about scene triggers is actively making me not want to pursue the girls in the manner I would prefer to.

We're working on ways to make things trigger more effectively. The only things that are season specific are the optional events which you can see in the quest log. All relationship related stuff is independent of the season (except for stats being gated), and nothing will be missed.

 

[Maddeninggg]

In new raltionship window I noticed, that girls can be friends OR enemies. My mind was like: "CATFIGHTS!CATFIGHTS!CATFIGHTS!" Sooo the question: how can we push them to path of rivalty?? Asking for a friend, of course...

You won't be pitting girls against each other, but there are many instance of girls being rivals or outright hating each other in the comics. I'll leave that up to you if you want to do some research to see which girls might not get along in the future.

 

[sleepingkirby]

It's more I just don't know when I've experienced them all and it's safe to move on.

When the quests and side and/or optional quests are all marked as completed, you've experienced them all.

Are there relationship scenes that only happen in specific quarters?

Some of them and that would be your room. I literally pasted that from the code of the game.

I end up not going on dates ever or asking them to sleep over because it seems like most of those scenes happen in the morning when you wake up in your room alone. Worrying about scene triggers is actively making me not want to pursue the girls in the manner I would prefer to.

The relationship/main events have priority over side events. You don't need to worry about the side event triggering or blocking a main event. The requirements don't require you to be alone. If they need to talk to you alone, they will ask for the room. The only presence requirements for these quests are that the person in question is not in your room with you. The main events are also not randomized. They are guaranteed to be evaluated if the conditions are right. Basically, if you're living day-to-day like an actual person would in that story (i.e. attending classes, doing training, etc.) you won't miss any events. If you're just trying to solve an equations so the girls can jump on your dick, you're probably playing the wrong game.


I honestly don't know how you're having so much problems. I'm on my 5th playthrough and I've been able to achieve poly for all of the playthroughs. It feels like to me like you're taking the approach of "If I do X, have Y and grind Z, they will like me. They have to!" Maybe I'm misreading it. But that's not how this game works nor is it how real people work. Like take it from a programmer, you can't guarantee someone to like you and be with you just by checking check boxes or following an equation. People need more than that (just in case I'm being too subtle, I'm trying to drop game hints here). Sometimes, a girl who's detached from themselves emotionally needs another woman to talk to who IS attached to their emotions *hint* *hint*. Sometimes, it takes a friend's help for someone to reconnect with their human feelings and carnal desires. *HINT* And, maybe, by trying to grind events and stats, you're missing out on the life that's happening around you. Like, how well do you Laura? Do you even know what her quirks are? Does she feel comfortable enough with you to talk to you about them?*HINT!!!*

 

[Tahaelhour1]

I have no idea what this means.

 

[Takkatakka]

I mean, sure,

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To be fair: Over the course of the game so far you get to know another side of Jean and she changes quite a bit, but that comment coming from her was just (and apparently very deliberately) ironic.

 

[bazbj77]

i like jean here the attitude seems to more humour rather than Cunt

 

[red1988]

well once jean get phoenix force well this will well beause here get super horny beause phoenix ^^

 

[vitamin433]

You won't be pitting girls against each other, but there are many instance of girls being rivals or outright hating each other in the comics. I'll leave that up to you if you want to do some research to see which girls might not get along in the future.

Meh, than the scale is not intresting. If we can only make it go up to friendship, than player do not need to know about possible "bad opposite". It's just useless :\

 

[ShinyBoots1993]

well once jean get phoenix force well this will well beause here get super horny beause phoenix ^^

I mean the Phoenix Force has been retconned to be a force of life...

Meh, than the scale is not intresting. If we can only make it go up to friendship, than player do not need to know about possible "bad opposite". It's just useless :\

There's no benefit to making girls hate each other. They wouldn't be willing to share a boyfriend if they despised the other girl.

As Mad said, there will be girls that hate each other. You have to mend that relationship if you want to date both.