Ren'Py The Null Hypothesis [v0.8c] [Ron Chon]

[RandomNumber]

Just throwing this out there: While Emma didn't join the X-Men proper until the 2000s, she started teaching for Xavier in the book "Generation X" which was the Jubilee era.

Also, I wonder if it wouldn't make the most sense for Polaris, because she's *technically* a pre-Giant Size #1 member of the team but never *does* anything, to be one of those characters they've talked about adding as post-game DLC? Like maybe whoever those girls are, they could be slotted into any season so Polaris could become retroactively a season 1 character or something?

 

[FP00]

Just throwing this out there: While Emma didn't join the X-Men proper until the 2000s, she started teaching for Xavier in the book "Generation X" which was the Jubilee era.

That'd still be chapter 5, and chapter 4, by all indications, would cover the Mr Sinister arc and probably a bit after.

Also, I wonder if it wouldn't make the most sense for Polaris, because she's *technically* a pre-Giant Size #1 member of the team but never *does* anything, to be one of those characters they've talked about adding as post-game DLC? Like maybe whoever those girls are, they could be slotted into any season so Polaris could become retroactively a season 1 character or something?

I'd have to agree with this as well. If we're going comic-accurate, it might be better to save her for DLC or post-game to make room for the other characters that would be joining, of which there would be a lot of potential candidates. But it is up to the devs to decide

 

[RandomNumber]

That'd still be chapter 5

Not to nitpick, but in your theorycrafting there, you put Jubilee in chapter 4.

 

[FP00]

Not to nitpick, but in your theorycrafting there, you put Jubilee in chapter 4.

She lives in their Australia base since Uncanny X-Men 244, goes on adventures with wolverine and officially joins in 273 which came out three years before Generation X's first issue. Strictly Canon comic-wise she'd show up at the end of chapter 4 if chapter 4 is solely Mr. Sinister and his arc (mutant massacre, goblin queen, genosha etc).

Emma is in a coma for an entire year after the events of Uncanny X-Men 284 and doesn't get woken up fully till about 314 and goes to found Generation X in 318 which Jubliee joins because fuck consolidation I guess, got to have a million spin offs I can't keep track of.

Chapter 4 for Jubilee is also pretty much the only place I can put her because Chapter 5 goes the farthest in the timeline, covering Onslaught and its surrounding arcs, which are years after Jubilee's stint with the X-Men.

 

[Kid Incredible]

Only sex scenes you'll be missing out on are unique scenes that each girl has. So despite the irrational gut reaction, monogamous people are missing out on something.

I guess we will see how it pans out in the end. But if the plan is to add 3 LI's per chapter, and there are 6 chapters. My initial reaction to having to replay the game 18+ times, just to see everything the game has to offer, is not paticularly optimistic.

 

[salscou]

That'd still be chapter 5, and chapter 4, by all indications, would cover the Mr Sinister arc and probably a bit after.

I'd have to agree with this as well. If we're going comic-accurate, it might be better to save her for DLC or post-game to make room for the other characters that would be joining, of which there would be a lot of potential candidates. But it is up to the devs to decide

Man, you for sure went on a crazy ass travel in the comics really quick, good on you buddy im proud of ya.

 

[eatgreencrayons]

I guess we will see how it pans out in the end. But if the plan is to add 3 LI's per chapter, and there are 6 chapters. My initial reaction to having to replay the game 18+ times, just to see everything the game has to offer, is not paticularly optimistic.

Poor baby working the content slave mines.

 

[sleepingkirby]

So we just get shafted because you dont wanna miss out on content and that means mono runs get squat, got it.

Wait, hold up there. All this guy is saying, if event A is in the monogamous route, he hopes it's somehow accessible in the poly route. How does event A existing in both routes means you get shafted?

 

[Crichton1]

I guess we will see how it pans out in the end. But if the plan is to add 3 LI's per chapter, and there are 6 chapters. My initial reaction to having to replay the game 18+ times, just to see everything the game has to offer, is not paticularly optimistic.

From the start? You'd only have to replay from the start 3 times for 3 individual. There is no way they don't give chapter skips. I think they've already mentioned chapter skips.

 

[sleepingkirby]

Just because we disagree in something doesnt mean we are on bad terms or anyting dude, chill, im just saying youre acting like this.
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What you said its as unreasonable as if i started arguing that monogamous routes should have access to threesome scenes or else ill get pissed because im missing on content, when that is precisely the point, there should be advantages to playing different ways.

Dude, I just got on to catch up and, to me, a 3rd party, you're the one acting like this and then accusing the other person of doing the exact thing you're doing. While the other party is just trying to make peace. You're the one throw accusations around and name calling. Like, you okay man? You usually don't fly off the handle that quickly.

 

[salscou]

Wait, hold up there. All this guy is saying, if event A is in the monogamous route, he hopes it's somehow accessible in the poly route. How does event A existing in both routes means you get shafted?

If monogamous route get absolutely squat uniqueness to them, then there exist no damn point for them existing, and the reasoning for there having no uniqueness in doalogue or elements to them because it is not good if you cant access it going poly, its downright selfish.
I have saves with each girl and with all of them, i dont mind making multiple runs, and if find it downright wrong to complain about poly routes havign their own hijinks, why on earth would other playthroughs getting their own unique events be a bad thing?

 

[sleepingkirby]

I don't believe this for a second. The writers have proven they have the skill to do EXACTLY that without feeling cheap. They can definitely maintain depth of characterization and romance across both poly and mono routes, without making it feel like mono players have an anemic experience during the bulk of the game. If they choose not to, it'll be just that- a choice...

So, I also don't like to do multiple playthroughs. Mostly because I don't have the time. Too many projects, too many games in the backlog (like, I JUST 100% Xenoblade X.), too many gunplas unbuilt. One of my first explorations into renpy game's source code was because I didn't want to do a replay of the last 20 minutes to catch all the alternative scenes. If/when this happens, I'll see what I can do to make it so that (in the cheat injector) all special scenes are available in the poly route. Mostly because, I'll probably want that for myself. Of course, this means that some scenes might not make sense/break character/be out of order, etc. but, I think, as long as people know that, it'd be okay. Or, I suppose, just add a button somewhere to toggle which mode/route you're in. Depending on how the code is written.
The good news is, since this game is made to be modular, it might be really easy to register an event/scene meant for the monogamus route into the poly route. Time will tell.

 

[sleepingkirby]

If monogamous route get absolutely squat uniqueness to them, then there exist no damn point for them existing, and the reasoning for there having no uniqueness in doalogue or elements to them because it is not good if you cant access it going poly, its downright selfish.

How he plays and experiences his game has no affect on how your experience is. So again, I ask, how does event A being in both routes take away from side?

I have saves with each girl and with all of them, i dont mind making multiple runs, and if find it downright wrong to complain about poly routes havign their own hijinks, why on earth would other playthroughs getting their own unique events be a bad thing?

Again, how he plays and experiences this game changes nothing about your experience with the game. Like the last time someone was this adamant about how the game should be played by everyone, they insisted that the game would be ruined, absolutely ruined, if there was a way to make the characters run around nude and/or have sex outside their room. Remember that? And then I set it into the cheat injector to allow just that. The game is still here and still not ruined.
Like, if I hacked the game so that I experience both monogamous scenes and poly scenes in my poly playthrough, how would that affect your gameplay? Like, hell, I can change the game so that, you can do a monogamous run with ALL the characters at the same time. (Like, seriously. It's really fucking easy. Just need to null out the function that does the cheating check). Would your game play be ruined if I did that on my own and you never hear about it?

ETA: You know I don't really do rhetorical questions. I was seriously asking. You okay? You really don't usually fly off the handle that quickly.

 

[Giltia]

How he plays and experiences his game has no affect on how your experience is. So again, I ask, how does event A being in both routes take away from side?


Again, how he plays and experiences this game changes nothing about your experience with the game. Like the last time someone was this adamant about how the game should be played by everyone, they insisted that the game would be ruined, absolutely ruined, if there was a way to make the characters run around nude and/or have sex outside their room. Remember that? And then I set it into the cheat injector to allow just that. The game is still here and still not ruined.
Like, if I hacked the game so that I experience both monogamous scenes and poly scenes in my poly playthrough, how would that affect your gameplay? Like, hell, I can change the game so that, you can do a monogamous run with ALL the characters at the same time. (Like, seriously. It's really fucking easy. Just need to null out the function that does the cheating check). Would your game play be ruined if I did that on my own and you never hear about it?

Not sure why this is all being rehashed again, but you are entirely missing the point, if event (A) is in both route (1) and in route (2) then there is no point to having seperate routes to begin with. The ideal solution is to have differnet variation in those routes so that it caters to as many people as possible, if someone wished to cheat those variations in then so be it but that isn't the debate here.

 

[salscou]

How he plays and experiences his game has no affect on how your experience is. So again, I ask, how does event A being in both routes take away from side?

He said completely the contrary, that someone getting something different from how he wants to play, makes the game worse for him.
Have i at any point said his playstyle shouldnt get his own unique events and interactions?
No, i have not, i for one approve of widlydifferent things happening depending on your archetype, background, choices, pairing of girls and whatever the hell else, because thats fun, thats roleplaying, that gives meaning to your choices and actions, if you want everyone to only get one single thing because you cant be assed to try different ways that how you specifically want it, then thats selfish, and at this point might as well play a VN where you just click through events to see the story unfold, wich makes the point of giving player agency moot.

 

[sleepingkirby]

Not sure why this is all being rehashed again, but you are entirely missing the point, if event (A) is in both route (1) and in route (2) then there is no point to having seperate routes to begin with.

I'm in a different timezone than most of you. I've been out the entire day. Just catching up to this.

 

[sleepingkirby]

He said completely the contrary, that someone getting something different from how he wants to play, makes the game worse for him.

I'm probably in the minority here and my opinion means little-to-nothing, but I'd really appreciate it if the full poly route was as complete as possible. I have no interest in mono routes, and I'd be majorly bummed out if too much meaningful content or characterization was locked behind them.

Like, please excuse the person that knows three languages, but reading this, nothing about this says or mentions other people or how they play. This wasn't an attack on you or anyone. This reads to me that he has FOMO, which, he explicitly states in a later post. Which, who doesn't?

Have i at any point said his playstyle shouldnt get his own unique events and interactions?

And I haven't said you've said that either. I'm not sure where you're getting that from.

No, i have not, i for one approve of widlydifferent things happening depending on your archetype, background, choices, pairing of girls and whatever the hell else, because thats fun, thats roleplaying, that gives meaning to your choices and actions, if you want everyone to only get one single thing because you cant be assed to try different ways that how you specifically want it,

That's not what he said though. That may be what *you* think he's saying. But he's not. He asked for it as "complete as possible". As in, let's say, there's a story line of Rogue finally accepting that it's okay for people to know she likes children's cartoons in the monogamous route, and that there isn't the same level of fullness or equivalent (but not necessarily the same) in the poly route, he would feel bummed out. If fact, he's not even asking for a one-to-one equivalent. He literally wrote:

I'd be majorly bummed out if too much meaningful content or characterization was locked behind them.

And, above all else, he's just like "Hey, I know this doesn't mean much but, here's my opinion." You're somehow taking his one, meek and polite, opinion, which was then voted out, and then jumped down this throat for voicing it. Like, take a step back, take a deep breath. I know you're not usually like this. If the game won't do it, I'll handle it. You know that. Someone expressing their opinion isn't a threat to you any more than you expressing your opinion is a threat to me. No need for the name calling. No need to demean other people. I'll handle this request when the time comes.

 

[Leathermax]

Current content isn't designed through relationship goals. You can get your powers by being good friends.

Right, but my question still stands. If you can answer stuff about it, I wanted to know if the story going forward will be deeply entertwined with developing and improving relationships with every 3 piece combo we get per chapter, or if that will be optional from the get go.

 

[ShinyBoots1993]

Maybe it's too much, but do you think we'll have a period where we meet Alpha Flight? Probably not, cause that's a bit of artwork for just a single event, but it would be neat. Maybe we'd get the opportunity to fight Wendigo alongside Wolverine.

There is a point in the comics where this does happen and I've included it in my outline.

Up to the other devs to include it but it is on the table.

If we're going comic-accurate

There's a difference between comic accurate and comic reliant.

She lives in their Australia

I got mixed feedback on this. Some people want to handwave this like the Brood Saga, some want the sandbox to switch to Australia for a season.

Either way likely not to be a concern till chapter 4.

I think they've already mentioned chapter skips.

Still on the table and being highly considered.

Depending on how the code is written.

Considering we've discussed retroactively including girls that had to be cut for workload purposes, I can see this easily being modded in.

 

[ShinyBoots1993]

Right, but my question still stands. If you can answer stuff about it, I wanted to know if the story going forward will be deeply entertwined with developing and improving relationships with every 3 piece combo we get per chapter, or if that will be optional from the get go.

Oh. It'll be like chapter 1. You have to gain their trust to an extent with optional objectives leading to a deeper bond.

The point of being required to do a few quest for each girl is in universe team building that does affect the greater plot. Like Jean's events are directly related to the conclusion of chapter 1.