sleepingkirby

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Man I don't know where you got caught up on "needing to say things".
salscou: Psylocke is asian
You: I never noticed
salscou: Well she is so if you guys show her, showing her as asian it would be best
You:Well why are we so opsessed with people announcing their race? Who does that?

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Where did that come from? Why are you so hung up? You didn't notice. Just show her as asian. Where did the hang up on announcing things come from? Because you didn't see things?

Exactly what her parentage is, it's more of backstory and trivia anyway. Why is that a problem? Should dev time be wasted showing exactly how her parents came together? It's a minor detail. Shouldn't matter. If there is dialogue for it, cool, if not people will be curious and might ask for a backstory from someone if they care enough, just to fill details if nothing else.
Well, no. My point, from the beginning is, just don't say it. It's not necessary. I didn't call anyone else obsessive. I didn't say anything else you said I said. I didn't say it was a problem. I'm actually saying the opposite. It's so obvious and so not a problem that you shouldn't bring it up. Just treat it like the grass is green. Here's the exact quote:
I'm still in the camp of "Don't bring it up and let the reader/player make up the head cannon for themselves." since these are fictional characters and it's all in our heads anyways. But I forget what Shiny and the devs ended up landing on for their approach.
Everything else you think I'm saying, that's your interpretation. That's your own internal dialogue. I'm just saying, don't say it. Show her as Asian. Hell, show her as Japanese. Make her appear in a kimono while speaking Japanese in a Shinto temple while performing a tea ceremony. Just don't outright say it. I mean, for all I know, the devs can decide she's Canadian-Korean and adopted by British parents who sent her off to ninja school because they're ex-MI6 agents with a debt of honor with the Yakuza or something and no one would know the difference.

Where did that come from? Why are you so hung up? You didn't notice. Just show her as asian. Where did the hang up on announcing things come from?
I'm not the one with the hang up about announcing things. I'm saying don't announce it. I have the opposite of that.

Because you didn't see things?
No, because it doesn't matter. Like you said.

Exactly what her parentage is, it's more of backstory and trivia anyway.

Like, you technically agree with me but you somehow think I'm arguing against you.
 

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Well, no. My point, from the beginning is, just don't say it.
Okay then, we either get a purple haired brittish girl people normally dont associate with psylocke, or we deal with said british girl puppeteering the comatose body of a japanese ninja and stick our dick in regardless, see where the issue is in here?
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What was the version in Remender's Uncanny Xforce? I think they just made her a british betsy braddock and let it go. It's probably the best version of the character
 

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Okay then, we either get a purple haired brittish girl people normally dont associate with psylocke, or we deal with said british girl puppeteering the comatose body of a japanese ninja and stick our dick in regardless, see where the issue is in here?
And Oni did neither. It isn't an either or thing. Hell, they could make her a British woman who has an ancient ancestor who's a Skrull and she got stuck when she transformed herself into a Japanese woman to do some infiltration or something. This is the dev's own universe. We're not limited to just those two options.
 

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And Oni did neither. It isn't an either or thing. Hell, they could make her a British woman who has an ancient ancestor who's a Skrull and she got stuck when she transformed herself into a Japanese woman to do some infiltration or something. This is the dev's own universe. We're not limited to just those two options.
Hence me pointing out that Oni's solution was practical for such a convoluted story and character, but youre making a fuss out of it, what the hell do you want then?
She HAS to have a story that is somewhat Psylocke.
 

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But why? Why bother? To what end? It expends more energy to deliberately avoid a thing than to let it either happen or not happen naturally.
Why bring it up? If it's so natural, you wouldn't need to bring it up nor deliberately avoid it. As I mentioned before, no one brought up what race Laura is. Someone had to guess and someone else had to theorize. That takes more energy than just going *shrug* "Meh. Whatever.". Not doing something, by the laws of physics, always require more energy than doing something.
 

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Why bring it up? If it's so natural, you wouldn't need to bring it up nor deliberately avoid it. As I mentioned before, no one brought up what race Laura is. Someone had to guess and someone else had to theorize. That takes more energy than just going *shrug* "Meh. Whatever.". Not doing something, by the laws of physics, always require more energy than doing something.
My man, thats even brought up in the comics.

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At some point you will have to admit to yourself that youre the one that has a weird issue with this and not everyone else, because its always the same fuss about this with you.
 

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Hence me pointing out that Oni's solution was practical for such a convoluted story and character, but youre making a fuss out of it, what the hell do you want then?
She HAS to have a story that is somewhat Psylocke.
Dude, I just said my piece. You're all the only that keeps replying. Like I wrote before. If you stop replying to me, I'll stop going on about it. I'm not the one making a fuss. I'm not the one insisting on a false dichotomy of British Psylocke or ninja Psylocke. That was you. All I said, all I was saying is, don't say it. I've said that explicitly multiple times. Did I say Oni's approach was bad? Did I say it has to be my way? All I said was, I'm still in the camp of "Just don't say it." Because everyone knows already and who cares. You're all the ones trying to pick apart my personal opinion and then saying I'm making a fuss somehow? I'm just pointing out that if it's so natural and obvious, you don't need to bring it up. Because who cares? And that's not even a rhetorical question. Literally, if she showed up as Japanese with Japanese parents, waving her Japanese passport while doing stereotypical Japanese tentacle porn, would you care whether or not she said she's Japanese? Again, a serious question. Because I don't. In fact, if, during all of that, she announced she was Japanese, I'd be like "Well, duh."

Like seriously, show of hands. Who here cares if Psylocke actually says she's Japanese if she already shows up as Japanese?
 

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Like seriously, show of hands. Who here cares if Psylocke actually says she's Japanese if she already shows up as Japanese?
Because Kwanon and Betsy Braddock are two different people, homever, the Psylocke we were familiar with in the comic, was the mind of Betsy in the body of Kwanon, and if she shows up as a LI, thats a very violent conversation to have.

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Would you feel comfortable dating and having sex with a woman that is using the body of someone else?
 

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Dude, I just said my piece. You're all the only that keeps replying. Like I wrote before. If you stop replying to me, I'll stop going on about it. I'm not the one making a fuss. I'm not the one insisting on a false dichotomy of British Psylocke or ninja Psylocke. That was you. All I said, all I was saying is, don't say it. I've said that explicitly multiple times. Did I say Oni's approach was bad? Did I say it has to be my way? All I said was, I'm still in the camp of "Just don't say it." Because everyone knows already and who cares. You're all the ones trying to pick apart my personal opinion and then saying I'm making a fuss somehow? I'm just pointing out that if it's so natural and obvious, you don't need to bring it up. Because who cares? And that's not even a rhetorical question. Literally, if she showed up as Japanese with Japanese parents, waving her Japanese passport while doing stereotypical Japanese tentacle porn, would you care whether or not she said she's Japanese? Again, a serious question. Because I don't. In fact, if, during all of that, she announced she was Japanese, I'd be like "Well, duh."

Like seriously, show of hands. Who here cares if Psylocke actually says she's Japanese if she already shows up as Japanese?
I don't care too much outside of the narrative as to why. But you do for some reason. Even if she is obviously Asian, there is a story as to how that is like salscou mentions.
Okay then, we either get a purple haired brittish girl people normally dont associate with psylocke, or we deal with said british girl puppeteering the comatose body of a japanese ninja and stick our dick in regardless, see where the issue is in here?
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Because Kwanon and Betsy Braddock are two different people, homever, the Psylocke we were familiar with in the comic, was the mind of Betsy in the body of Kwanon, and if she shows up as a LI, thats a very violent conversation to have.
Okay, so you care. Noted. I don't.


Would you feel comfortable dating and having sex with a woman that is using the body of someone else?
Can she reverse it? Did/does she have a choice? Does she like the fact she's in someone else's body? Is Kwanon still alive in and in that body, seeing/feeling/reacting to all of it? If all of those answers are no, then yes, I'm okay with it. Because that's the hand she's dealt with and she's just trying to make the best of a bad situation and have some semblance of life.
 

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I don't care too much outside of the narrative as to why. But you do for some reason.
Still your internal narrative. All I said was, I'm in the camp of "Just don't say it." As in, it's my opinion that the best way to handle it. I didn't yell at Oni for mentioning it. I didn't tell Salcou that his feelings are invalid. I didn't pick apart other people's opinion. Just because I like pancakes, doesn't mean I hate waffles.
 

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Can she reverse it? Did/does she have a choice? Does she like the fact she's in someone else's body? Is Kwanon still alive in and in that body, seeing/feeling/reacting to all of it? If all of those answers are no, then yes, I'm okay with it. Because that's the hand she's dealt with and she's just trying to make the best of a bad situation and have some semblance of life.
Betsy transfered her mind to Kwanon's body because she was moribound after a fight with the hand (those ninjas Elektra and Daredevil fight), Kwanon is comatose, but shes very much alive, eventually in the comics that does get to be an issue because the two persons are figting for control of the body.
 

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Well, no. My point, from the beginning is, just don't say it. It's not necessary.
If it's relevant to her story or involvement (IF she shows up, no hopes built up here), then it's entirely reasonable for her to say it. If not, she wouldn't. The writers so far aren't gratuitous or frivolous with their stuff- they don't just cram shit in there for no reason, at least not that I can tell.

(SCENE: Null walks into kitchen seeking nourishment after long night of railing Laura into the wall; sees broomstick with two tits standing in front of fridge)

Psylocke: "Hello, call me Psylocke, I'm British/Japanese/British-Japanese."

Null: "Y- uh, yeah, hi, that's nice. Can you- can you move, please, I need orange juice very badly."

Look, gentle sirs. If the writers think Psylocke's race/ethnicity is important for whatever reason, they'll address it. If not, they won't. Don't draw battle lines between the two- relax. She'll be smokin' hot either way. Trust in the Force devs.
 

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Betsy transfered her mind to Kwanon's body because she was moribound after a fight with the hand (those ninjas Elektra and Daredevil fight), Kwanon is comatose, but shes very much alive, eventually in the comics that does get to be an issue because the two persons are figting for control of the body.
Okay, cool. So comatose. So she isn't seeing/feeling/raging against Betsy just trying to have a normal life. So yes, I'm still okay with that.
 

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If it's relevant to her story or involvement (IF she shows up, no hopes built up here), then it's entirely reasonable for her to say it. If not, she wouldn't. The writers so far aren't gratuitous or frivolous with their stuff- they don't just cram shit in there for no reason, at least not that I can tell.

(SCENE: Null walks into kitchen seeking nourishment after long night of railing Laura into the wall; sees broomstick with two tits standing in front of fridge)

Psylocke: "Hello, call me Psylocke, I'm British/Japanese/British-Japanese."

Null: "Y- uh, yeah, hi, that's nice. Can you- can you move, please, I need orange juice very badly."

Look, gentle sirs. If the writers think Psylocke's race/ethnicity is important for whatever reason, they'll address it. If not, they won't. Don't draw battle lines between the two- relax. She'll be smokin' hot either way. Trust in the Force devs.
Thank you. That highlights my point very succinctly.
 

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While I don't know enough about X-Men comic plot to really comment on events or future character appearances but there has been an expression of strong dislike for Havok for being Havok, so it is fully possible Polaris and Havok never got together here or broke up due to Havok being Havok.
IF they're dating, the writing team has discussed having Polaris to be the one to end things in response to Havok being Havok.


I am very unfamiliar with the comics in general, but the storylines mentioned here actually makes me want to sit down and read this era of comics if only to try and figure out the twists that will be coming next which says a lot of about the quality of the writers for what is ostensibly a porn game.
Then we've achieved our objective.

It's happened to quite a few characters. Both Havok and Cyclops are portrayed very differently depending on the writer.
however, when you have a character that's been around so long and had so many writers, it's hard to say what is their true character, what is character development, what is character assassination, and what is just bad writing.
To me it's a matter of what is more common combined with which is best executed. Havok is a cheater. When they try to address it, they usually fuck up royally. In one instance they had Polaris sleep with a male stripper so she could no longer complain without being a hypocrite. So if Havok is poorly written when they're attempting to make up for his poor behavior then his true self would be a cheater since his redemption never stook.

Same goes for trying to convince readers that Mystique is morally good and her villainous behavior stems from some kind of mental illness or damage.

I suppose you could age Illyana up the same way you did Kitty (which was my base assumption anyway). You could have it so she doesn't age physically in Limbo even though time passes. That way, she could be an adult the entire time and still have her be altered by her experiences there. That being said, I should probably just leave this with: do whatever you think is best in this situation.
What little discussion we've had on the matter is that she'd be 6, then come out 18.

She wouldn't have the mindset of a 6 year old, she'd have the mindset of an 18 year old that lived in a realm where souls were currency.

Her views on dating will probably be a combination of fairytale love she imagined before she went to Limbo and the inherent eroticism of fighting to the death. :LOL:


, I think if Null really is David it'll be more of a case of Null's being the equivalent of Legion in Earth-69 (power-wise)
I am NOT confirming or denying any theories but I will point out that in the Ultimate Universe Jessica Drew is the name chosen by Peter's female clone from the Ultimate Clone Saga. Mostly similar powers too.

Only mentioning this because there's precedent of characters filling another's role or power set in alternate universes.

The scene you showed would have been a great way to introduce Jubilee, as her introduction in the 90's show was a mall attack.
Fun fact, Jubilee was supposed to be Kitty in the original show. There was a pilot and everything but the way Kitty was portrayed wasn't well received. So they chose Jubilee instead.

You'll notice that in Evolution, Kitty has some similarities to Jubilee from the 90s.

I have zero issues with this so long as we keep out of X-MEN '97 levels of uncomfortable.
97 also adapted a lot of comic stories. Including the one everyone hates. Which is the problem. Some stories just aren't worth adapting.

Give us this as a story point.
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No. We're not going to have a Skrull disguised as She-Hulk performing malpractice by sleeping with a client.

Anyway... DEVS, where he at? where's are god damn Johnny Bravo Update?????
Send me the files and I'll throw them at our UI guy.

See u guys in 0.9 where in I make another long ass rant about me trying to predict the story of Null Hypothesis as accurate as possible given the source material, the dev's words, pure speculation and the speculation of other users.
I like your rants.

you're all a bunch of lunatics, and I love it
We love you too. :love:

I THINK I remember reading that Spidey was an example.
You remember correctly.

Oh, and as for the latter, I think Shiny will put rat poison in my energy drinks if I say too much.
HISSSSSS :mad:

OH ALSO- I remembered a second question. It's also been said that my man Spidey has his own selection of ladies, if I read that right. I imagine they include MJ and Felicia; is that correct? Who else is Peter porking? And who else in Earth-69 has their own gaggle of gals/guys?
I have to add the disclaimer that I can't make any remarks on Earth-69's canon unless it's already publicly obtainable but in my outline I had it being MJ and Gwen Stacy.

The writing team wants Null to have Felicia. Personally I'd be fine with Spidy having Felicia too but, as I've shown and eluded to multiple times, I'm a Peter Parker fanboy and am fighting to have him be your roommate in potential sequels.

I even wanted a Spidy side game but the writing team's consensus is that they don't want to write more than one protagonist per setting.

where she has longer hair such as Savage Land.
You've actually inspired me to suggest to the team that the Savage Land would be where her hair grows out. Even in mainline comics her hair was short for quite some time after joining the X-Men.

I don't know if I'm looking too deeply
You're not looking deep enough. :illuminati:

I was specifically asking about who else has MULTIPLE partners
None of this is confirmed to be in the final product but I've previously outlined Wolverine, Deadpool, and Dare Devil. If she isn't an option for Null, She-Hulk as an example of women having multiple dudes instead of dudes having multiple women.

Anyway Imma just chime in and say something before our lord and savior ShinyBoots appears from stasis and settles it.
We haven't committed to anything. Let the writers cook. :BootyTime:

Anyway, if DEI was present in the game, Jean would've been black since she's a redhead. the end XD
It's always the readheads ain't it? Sideyes live action starfire :cautious:

his stories deserve to stay in the 80's.
He wrote stuff in the 90s and not all of it was filth.

there is also Rogue and Magneto, whiltst this one isn't technically underage the implied power dynamic there is that of the old creepy old teacher and young student trope.
In the Marvel Pornographic Universe, which I dubbed Earth-34, Rogue lost her virginity to Magneto and Emma Frost in a three way. I wasn't happy about it. I did the entire timeline in the discord and pinned it in the lewd-spam discord.

Wow it's been really warm and fuzzy today. Like Colossus and Deadpool in the movies.:giggle:

Speaking of, it's too bad there probably won't be a Deadpool cameo so the devs can poke fun at themselves. Lot's of potential for someone being aware they are in a lewd game.:ROFLMAO:
X-men and Deadpool didn't cross paths too much until stuff with Cable if I remember but that is long after when Onslaught was released.
Deadpool's first appearance was him attacking Cable while he was doing a training session for the New Mutants so he most definitely could show up.

Worth noting Rogue is an absolute bad ass in this run. Also introduced a very under uztilized character lifeguard.
Lifeguard is our head writer's number one "gimmie" character.
 
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