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5% porn, 95% horror.
For a more specific amount:
Mason has two sex scenes, with one CG showing his penis.
Celia has one sex scene, with two variants of a CG showing her vagina
Derek's route has I think five or six. With one or two of them being with Jack.
Just finished Derek's route, and have to say, I love Gatobob's sadism, but they gotta do more rape; it's such a disappointment to have all this juicy violence and abuse, but no sexuality/romance to really make these toxic relationship feel substantial. Derek only has one, albeit pretty damn hot, rape scene, and it's oral, and though I think I got the "good ending" with Derek, the He takes you home one, it only left me feeling like the game hasn't even begun; are we getting a sequel? And if so, will this sequel be equally as disappointing as this game was? Like Boyfriend to Death was? (Though BTD2 was a little better) When will Gatobob get the courage to write a dark romance that observe the relationship within the toxicity, and make the goal NOT escaping from their abuser?
Gatobob games fall flat when it focus so much on trying to survive/escape(not what a fan of these abusive games would even want to do) vs "bad ends"(too snuffy-ie and anticlimactic for those of us that aren't into necro game ending satisfaction) and not the psychological thrill of actually dating/pursing these dark romances.
Once again, the "LI" don't feel like LIs, and the game feel more like a catering to a vanilla crowed who are repulsed by these sadistic lovers and wants to "stick it" to them. Every game Gatobob makes focus on trying to escape interactions with these deliciously abusive characters, and not actually the kinky thrill of being captured by/staying with them. Kind of as if Gatobob doesn't want players to enjoy the masochism of reciprocating the abuse.
Yes, I get it, the sane thing to do is to escape, go get help, avoid toxic relationships, abuse is bad, yappity-yap, but that's the point of these kinky games, to indulge in the fantasy; I respect Gatobob for being one of the first to break the mold, and introduce S&M into ELVNs, but I sense hesitation in their ideas, some form of didactic righteousness to their games that just makes it so... boring.
I really like Gatobob's work, love their style, no one can do abuse like them, so much so that I'll definitely be scooping up the next thing they drop, but Yanderes are really on the rise, and games like What's Your Name, ITYH: A Horror Otome, Off the Cuff, Your Boyfriend, Love Lock, Solipsism Reigns, Colorful未来 - Spooky Edition, and Yandere Love: Chains of Fate is already passing them by in that toxic thrill; they make Gatobob games just look like child's play.
Gatobob games fall flat when it focus so much on trying to survive/escape(not what a fan of these abusive games would even want to do) vs "bad ends"(too snuffy-ie and anticlimactic for those of us that aren't into necro game ending satisfaction) and not the psychological thrill of actually dating/pursing these dark romances.
Once again, the "LI" don't feel like LIs, and the game feel more like a catering to a vanilla crowed who are repulsed by these sadistic lovers and wants to "stick it" to them. Every game Gatobob makes focus on trying to escape interactions with these deliciously abusive characters, and not actually the kinky thrill of being captured by/staying with them. Kind of as if Gatobob doesn't want players to enjoy the masochism of reciprocating the abuse.
Yes, I get it, the sane thing to do is to escape, go get help, avoid toxic relationships, abuse is bad, yappity-yap, but that's the point of these kinky games, to indulge in the fantasy; I respect Gatobob for being one of the first to break the mold, and introduce S&M into ELVNs, but I sense hesitation in their ideas, some form of didactic righteousness to their games that just makes it so... boring.
I really like Gatobob's work, love their style, no one can do abuse like them, so much so that I'll definitely be scooping up the next thing they drop, but Yanderes are really on the rise, and games like What's Your Name, ITYH: A Horror Otome, Off the Cuff, Your Boyfriend, Love Lock, Solipsism Reigns, Colorful未来 - Spooky Edition, and Yandere Love: Chains of Fate is already passing them by in that toxic thrill; they make Gatobob games just look like child's play.
When she made TINR (This Is Not Romance) I guess...
All joking aside though... I don't think you interpret the intent of Gatobob in making these games as well as you think you do... The idea that the game is intended to be some kind of enjoyment of toxic abusive relationships is... clearly not the case. It's not that Gato wanted to make a game where you play a character who is enduring a toxic relationship with an abusive and murderous person... It's primarily a horror game about being abducted and trying to survive and escape from psychopaths. While most games do include some nature of staying with or reciprocating with the abuser it's generally not considered a good or desired ending. You are not in fact intended to want your character staying with these people... You are supposed to want to escape. At least in the moment... The fanbase has made it pretty clear that many of them have the "stab me daddy" approach to the characters... Strade and Lawrence especially, but implying that that's a direct intent of Gatobob and the games are a failure because they shy away from this aspect is definitely a misread of the intent.
It's kind of like saying Silent Hill 2 sucks, because you can't get raped by Pyramid Head. There are likely many fans who would want to indulge in a fantasy of that, but that's not the intent of the game.
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I get you are disappointed that this game is not what you wished to be. But the others already said, it's not cause the dev "cant", but they do not wish to go that way.
I don't know Gatobob well, but from the little bit I learnt from this game, the dev care very much about mental health - there NEEDS to be an "escape" to these degenerations one way or another (even "happy" ending), it even mentioned in-game that if you feel unwell at any point you need to close the game.
That aside, I'm pretty new to this type of games (escape or not), are there any others that are finished / highly developed, that males are not in YAOI style?
Only heard of "Love Lock", but it's very far away from finished.
No, I didn't "misread" at all, my post was a complaint, not of confusion of game intent; I know this particular game is heavy on the escape, and not the staying, I'm mainly complaining about all of Gatobob's games, and using this as an example to realizing where she's going with her work. I just remember way back when, when Gatobob was advertising Boyfriend to Death, they had this heavy hitter "opening statement"/advertisement (seen on reddit and even on their homepage, I believe?), that said something along the lines of "This is a dark romance game/don't play if you can't handle it/the point of the game is to explore psychological abuse/for people who like dark romances/Fetishes by fetishist" yadda-yadda. If you google search for any "mature/adult otome" or abusive/toxic LIs, Gatobob is as much a favored name as Fashioning Little Miss Lonesome is to porn games for women.
Now, I get just because Gatobob begun with a toxic romance game doesn't mean they have to stay that way, or didn't/can't change their narrative, I'm saying that none of their games have that feeling that it wants you to enjoy S&M, despite being heavily S&M and reaching out to people who likes that kink. You only get the S&M parts when you mess up, maybe one or two "soft core" (yes, I'm a little far gone) scenes to set the mood, but everything else is reserved for if you "lose" (Yes, I also know some people like losing).
Gatobob came up when Bad Ends were the popular/sane approach to enjoying toxic/kinky shit, clearly they were inspired by Japanese games that saved rape/abuse for bad endings (like Amnesia, to name a few). And I remember people were very vicious to Gatobob for even making BFTD, so of course they needed disclaimers and Safe, Sane, Consensual spaces; this is kind of a thing developed between dark topic writers, we discuss allowing "aftercare" pages/trigger warnings/and hard stop buttons (I will even do so myself, for my own dark works) so the masses don't accuse us of glorifying rape/hurting people. Just because Gatobob is very considerate and found a healthy avenue for keeping sane, doesn't mean she intended to work on shaping people's mental health and producing content that picks "the right thing to do".
IF Gatobob's games are to attract people who prefer to "escape psychopaths", they wouldn't be so heavy handed on the abuse and futility of the situation (Silent Hill doesn't advertise sexuality with Pyramid Head at all, so it's ridiculous to expect that; Gatobob lays rape by LI pretty bare, so, of course I'm expecting it. I was asked if I was a virgin, and blond fuck really liked my answer, what else am I supposed to expect when he buys me? Little Shit didn't even take it); I get it's horror, but vanilla people who don't want the abuse couldn't even stomach Gatobob's intros, let alone the full game, and kinky people who like the horror and abuse will be very disappointed in that you can only get the abuse when pursing failure/bad ends. <--- that's my point.
Of course, I'm sure there's a middle ground of people that likes what Gatobob is doing, (some kinkster that loves the horror, but simultaneously wants to cockblock it???) the world isn't black and white, different strokes and all that, but I just think the development of their games are... off. It's strange to make an abusive, toxic, gore, dark topic game, but then have not only the playthrough, but also the endings (the prize for people who play VNs), to be narrated in avoiding all of that delicious "abusive/toxic/gore"? In the end, it kind of makes you question why even play, if the goal is to not experience it?
Gatobob is stuck in, what I call, the "Bad Ends" trap, that's why they still make a game where there's multiple Bad Ends (with all the good kinky shit), but a few (usually 1 or 2) Good ends, with either the "Yeah, I showed that asshole" satisfaction, or the, my favorite, "Uh-oh, they still got me!" satisfaction. The point of all of Gatobob's game is to naturally fail, get your S&M kink high, then when you've learned how to play, and ready to reach the "true end", avoid all the S&M and "escape" (the path I had to take to get the end I wanted avoided majority of the horror). Making games where the highlight of abuse/violence is in failure, in a game that's valued in its abuse/violence, is what I mean when I say the intent is wrong; Gatobob clearly favors abuse/toxicity, but their games only allow me to indulge in it when I fail, making me kind of resentful at losing.
I believe the real problem is that I don't like "Bad" ends, and I don't like failure; I find that many "Bad ends" even the "good ones" are... lackluster. I don't play my VNs to reread/skip through already played content, to try and "solve the case", I play my VNs to enjoy the story, and for the romance (I understand that this particular game may not have had romance in mind). I don't want to replay games, I want to make choices and enjoy that my choice gave me a satisfactory end (I play romance VN for the relationship dynamic/buildup, not the adventure). Gatobob's games are design for you to flounder and replay, it's sort of impossible for anyone to ever get those 2 "good" endings on their first play through (I clearly used a walkthrough, because I know Gatobob likes random events, and throwing curve balls), and if you did magically
My point is, making a horror game that stimulates S&M, then saving the S&M for "Bad Ends" feels like a subvert of the kink; I played the horror to get the horror, I didn't play it to avoid it. I'd avoid it to avoid it. Making the kink something players regret picking kind of tells the player to regret that kink, and I know Gatobob likes S&M/abuse fantasy, so why would she encourage avoiding it? Or, at least, that's how it reads to me. (I get it if other people don't pick up on this)
BTD2 is the only game of hers that I actually felt like it rewarded you with S&M, and not punished you; plus all the endings were satisfying to me, reaching them had equal part horror in it (I think the truly "bad" ends were achieved by just being absolutely obstinate, and boring the psychopath to your death). Even the escape end still gave you the experience of the abuse. Obviously I only played Derek in this game, so I don't know how Celia and Mason go in their endings, but from what I heard of other comments, I'm not too far from the money on them being just like Derek. (I'll be playing Mason a little later... just... disappointed...)
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I know this is out of order
, but I'll go check that TINR comic out, I really do love Gatobob, and have been following them for years, but I hadn't checked up on their website in a long while, and didn't know they had more things, I didn't even know they were making THIS game, (last time I looked, long long ago, they were working on some "Doll" game...? That was supposed to be their special baby, or something? Did their website change? I know their little group split, or something...). I did remember they had a comic going, but totally forgot in waiting for its update, thanks for the reminder!Yah, my big rant is above, I get what you're saying, but my complaint isn't that I'm saying they "can't", I just believe that Gatobob is stifled from indulging in a true yandere game (I use the term yandere, because it encompasses my meaning to love the psycho); maybe it's not what they want, that's fine, but it's feels misleading. Just as a recap, I remember hearing posts from Gatobob about finding the courage to post dark romances, I believe she even said people gave her shit for BFTD (I remember internet articles/posts freaking out over the game, and it really isn't even that bad); people really do give you shit for your kinks and fantasies, I'd know, I'm kin with Gatobob in this. Even I once imagine making a game where you get to "escape"/"stick it" to the abuser, from fear of the masses booing me off the stage; now in my maturity, I don't give a fuck, I love Yanderes, and I'm proud game developers have come this far to not shy away from making them.
I'm not blaming Gatobob for satisfying all parties, if she wants to add an escape to her games, that's fine and dandy, I don't want to take that away, I'm saying that the narration focuses on the escape, and not on the kink, even though the game is more satisfying in the kink; I feel she put more energy in "killing" the abuser, than being "abuse" by the abuser, and I'm disappointed (like, really, I felt giddy for the rape, and MC only get mouth raped, once, I know it's primitive, but give me that PIV; my kinky ass instantly thought "tsk, weak~"; tis why I listed those games that focus on riding that high.
Onto your request, gosh, I wish I could list all my old games, I have them stored on my PC somewhere (might of deleted a few), I'll have to go through them to really find them to recommend; but to be completely honest, what you're looking for doesn't exist... yet. Most games like Love Lock is still being developed, and may very well be abandoned for all I know.
Plus, almost all the games I've played doesn't have erotica in it, either the characters are sex-less, like some damn kids cartoon, or you get a "fade to black"; I do recommend looking at
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stuff, they're the best in Yandere/crazy romances. The tone is a little cliche/basic, but it's fun if you don't mind on the nose content. Also, if you haven't, check out
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other works, they're in the same vein as this game, so don't expect much, but Gatobob got the erotica for sure. Most of the games I've played are old/amateur stuff, that won't live up to the quality of Gatobob, or even Love Lock's play; I've a few Japanese game recs, but they're no where as gritty as English games, the closes I can get to is Diabolik Lovers, but don't listen to the community, it's very, very tame (in the context of the thread we're in). Ephemeral - Fantasy on Dark's yandere is pretty... something, but it's more psychological/emotional abuse than physical, I was just impressed with how... shit that man is.I don't know what you mean by "YAOI style", I'm assuming you mean anime/Eastern? You're going to be hard pressed to find Western art with Yandere/abusive LIs, because Westerns are still squeamish about GTA, let alone rape romances, and people who like that stuff, first find it in a Japanese medium that continues to influence them. I have a few Choice of recs (maybe 1 or 2; I will, and I have, killed for Winter Umf~
), and my repertoire consists of anime themes, but if you want to know more, shoot me a PM and I guess I'll try and explain my yandere collection... (hesitant because they're not really Gatobob quality).
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OK, To make sure we are on the same page:Yah, my big rant is above, I get what you're saying, but my complaint isn't that I'm saying they "can't", I just believe that Gatobob is stifled from indulging in a true yandere game (I use the term yandere, because it encompasses my meaning to love the psycho); maybe it's not what they want, that's fine, but it's feels misleading. Just as a recap, I remember hearing posts from Gatobob about finding the courage to post dark romances, I believe she even said people gave her shit for BFTD (I remember internet articles/posts freaking out over the game, and it really isn't even that bad); people really do give you shit for your kinks and fantasies, I'd know, I'm kin with Gatobob in this. Even I once imagine making a game where you get to "escape"/"stick it" to the abuser, from fear of the masses booing me off the stage; now in my maturity, I don't give a fuck, I love Yanderes, and I'm proud game developers have come this far to not shy away from making them.
I'm not blaming Gatobob for satisfying all parties, if she wants to add an escape to her games, that's fine and dandy, I don't want to take that away, I'm saying that the narration focuses on the escape, and not on the kink, even though the game is more satisfying in the kink; I feel she put more energy in "killing" the abuser, than being "abuse" by the abuser, and I'm disappointed (like, really, I felt giddy for the rape, and MC only get mouth raped, once, I know it's primitive, but give me that PIV; my kinky ass instantly thought "tsk, weak~"; tis why I listed those games that focus on riding that high.
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Onto your request, gosh, I wish I could list all my old games, I have them stored on my PC somewhere (might of deleted a few), I'll have to go through them to really find them to recommend; but to be completely honest, what you're looking for doesn't exist... yet. Most games like Love Lock is still being developed, and may very well be abandoned for all I know.
Plus, almost all the games I've played doesn't have erotica in it, either the characters are sex-less, like some damn kids cartoon, or you get a "fade to black"; I do recommend looking atYou must be registered to see the linksstuff, they're the best in Yandere/crazy romances. The tone is a little cliche/basic, but it's fun if you don't mind on the nose content. Also, if you haven't, check outYou must be registered to see the linksother works, they're in the same vein as this game, so don't expect much, but Gatobob got the erotica for sure. Most of the games I've played are old/amateur stuff, that won't live up to the quality of Gatobob, or even Love Lock's play; I've a few Japanese game recs, but they're no where as gritty as English games, the closes I can get to is Diabolik Lovers, but don't listen to the community, it's very, very tame (in the context of the thread we're in). Ephemeral - Fantasy on Dark's yandere is pretty... something, but it's more psychological/emotional abuse than physical, I was just impressed with how... shit that man is.
I don't know what you mean by "YAOI style", I'm assuming you mean anime/Eastern? You're going to be hard pressed to find Western art with Yandere/abusive LIs, because Westerns are still squeamish about GTA, let alone rape romances, and people who like that stuff, first find it in a Japanese medium that continues to influence them. I have a few Choice of recs (maybe 1 or 2; I will, and I have, killed for Winter Umf~
- By "YAOI style" (or "BL") I meant Girly / beautiful / twinky male (heck sometimes they even behave like female). Cuz I'm gay, prefer male that behave like male (or Manly). Mason / Jack in this game is good, Derek is acceptable.
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- I might mis-understand your complaint: You are looking for sticking with / settling into abusive relationship with much more activities, witch does not inevitably leads to MC's demise? That's actually one way of "escape" in my book, much like "Stockholm syndrome".
- If this is the case, then it's more of a "Can't" situation - a horror survival game with sex as "cherry on top" is much easier to create, than a sex abusing simulator. And I'm pretty sure, most people here are looking for the latter, thus many complains about "too little lewd content". On the unsatisfactory here I totally agree with you.
- I initially thought you are looking for hardcore gore alongside the toxic relationships which leads to MC's demise - well, that "Hurts".
- I played some sandboxie where MC gets constantly sexually abused, like Degrees of Lewdity, but they are not quite the same.
- I don't mind the art quality is not up to Gatobob's standard - it'is still a niche market we can't rly be picky, and I'm also a fan of text based games.
- Ah, I see, yeah, I'm female, and feminine, I like males, but I don't care if it strays from masculinity, as I'm really only in it for the dicks, so I don't think I can help you when it comes to the type of masculinity you're into.
You must be registered to see the links's works are on the feminine side, artwise, but I don't think the characters act "girly"; I blame the 3d/shell shaded renders, they're kind of obnoxious "badnime" art, you sort of have to have low standards, visually, to enjoy their games (I don't believe they're an artist, I think they're buying assets?). I'm also asexual, so it's easy for me to over look visuals, as that shit don't really do anything for me, anyways. Though, other than that, my lists aren't exactly "girly" men, but I don't think they'll have a "rugged" feel (I feel you, Jack in this game was more my type, I like silver foxes, and I was supper disappointed I couldn't have him; I'm gonna try getting caught by him, as I heard he'll rape ya); as I've said, most of my games/yandere games have pretty poor art, so they won't have the quality of Gatobob and Love Lock.
- Yes, I personally don't like snuff, so I'd prefer MC survive, no matter what happens to them; however, I'll dabble in gore/death, just to see it (dead bad ends are fun when I'm in the mood). The problem is, even the good ends feels "meh" to me, because to get there was very unsatisfactory (to get Gatobob's "good" ends, you have to avoid all the abuse/sexual assault; even the good ends that have you stay with the captor). I'm not arguing the "escape" bit, trying to escape the abuser is fine; I'm arguing that the game follows as thus: Get put in a bad situation -> a small sample of some horror kink -> choose wrong -> S&M kinky shit happen, die/bad end vs Get put in a bad situation -> a small sample of some horror kink -> choose right -> no Kinky shit, maybe get even with abuser -> chose to escape to freedom (escape good end) or choose to stay with abuser (Stockholm good ending). I want a game that has the kink going no matter if you make the wrong or right choices, like Love Lock for example, no matter what you choose, or where you go, your stalker is getting you, or someone equally as bad is getting you; I don't care if I can escape from it in the end, I want bad things to happen while I play, not because I picked wrong.
- Sure, I'll agree with you that it's "easier" to create this than what I'm asking for, it has to be since games like this is all we have, but like I said, all those games I mentioned are doing a pretty bang up job of it, and will leave games like this in the dust. (This problem is what influenced me to make my own stuff... I'll get there eventually...)
- I'm not looking for hardcore gore (I know to expect such if I lose), that's why I consider the living endings "good" ends, and the dying ones "bad" ends; Gatobob never stated what are good/bad/true endings, because it's up to players taste; some players like MC death, some players like MC escaping, while other players, like me for example, like MC staying trapped with the abuser. Gatobob's games always have a "survive" ending, and they're usually split for people who wants to survive and leave the abuser, or people who wants to survive and stay with the abuser. I'm saying that their games seem to favor people who wants to survive and leave the abuser, as the play through focus on rejecting/fighting/avoiding the abuse at every turn; this is misleading, as the game highlights abuse and hopelessness, so naturally people with masochistic tendencies/wanting toxic romances will be drawn to playing, and enjoying it.
- DOL is fine, the problem that separate that from this is that there's no security, being a sandbox, it's too opened ended with no real consequence, so the rape in there seems like waking up, something we do every day. Games like this one gives you a goal and resolution, I'm okay with the survivor aspect of this game, meaning having a goal be to "escape", I'm just not okay that to enjoy the "living" endings, I have to avoid all the fun sadism and rape that I came for.
- Oh, okay. Yeah, most of the games I've play is going to have pretty shitty art, but that's not the only disparity against Gatobob's games that I mean; I mean they're not as hardcore in abuse/toxicity. Gatobob really has that sadism I like, they're my go to for violence, while everything else in my collection is just for selfish/possessive assholes/yanderes.
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Ah, sorry about this, though, I know you said you're gay, so you might not like my otome list (it's all I play, really). Back in the day, games haven't really been open for customizable MCs, so a lot is women-centric, especially the Japanese ones, good luck if you can find choose-your-pronouns in a Japanese VN. I don't play YAOI, so I don't know of any good gay games, but I hear they're abusive kinky af, DRAMAtical Murder is a thing people like to squawk about, never played it, and the peeps that made Red Embrace: Hollywood have some gay games that might be dark in romance? (Red Embrace wasn't exactly abusive...).
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The thing that sets this apart from Gatobob's earlier games Boyfriend to Death 1 & 2 is that it leans heavily on its setting as a source of horror, rather than the antagonist. Her earlier games allowed us to have a more "intimate" relationship with our would-be killer, but this game kinda tries its best to prevent that. Mason's route is essentially that because interacting with him leads to death. Same with Derek.
Celia's route is the closest to her past games because it relies less on the location and more on your interactions with her.
I kinda expected this to be more like her past games, so I'm a bit disappointed. But let's all try to remember we pirated this product so whatevs.
Celia's route is the closest to her past games because it relies less on the location and more on your interactions with her.
I kinda expected this to be more like her past games, so I'm a bit disappointed. But let's all try to remember we pirated this product so whatevs.
I think I've noticed an obvious problematic assumption here...
On that note... I think you should check out the one solo game I know electric Puke made. It's called
I do have to ask... What do you think S&M is? Cause uh... This ain't it... S&M is not abuse, S&M is consensual enjoyment of the extreme sensations of pain and pleasure in a controlled and caring environment... Sometimes it's you know... CNC as stated, but if you're looking for S&M CNC or otherwise this is definitely not that.
I will definitely agree though... If you came here for the porn... Price of Flesh is extremely disappointing, even compared to BTD 1 and 2, but I've always thought the porn in these games were pretty lackluster also... Nine times out of ten it's just oral sex and visually the only actual sexual content is... a visible dick... which also is usually not even a fully visible dick... as often times it's basically just a hanging dick with the head out of frame...
Also for clarification... BTD 1 and 2 were group efforts of course, but they were originally masterminded by Electricpuke With gatobob and Darqx only writing their own specific parts.
As stated Gatobob did Strade in BTD 1 and Ren and Lawrence in BTD 2
Darqx only did Rire in BTD 1
Electricpuke did Sano and Akira in BTD 1 and Vincent and Cain in BTD 2
Gatobob didn't make Boyfriend to death 1 or 2... Electric Puke made both of those and was the one making the Dollmaker game. Gatobob only made the Strade path in BTD 1 and the Lawrence/Ren Path in BTD 2. I think the problem here is Electric Puke is the one who advertised the game the way you said. Gato's thing has always been on playing with the concept of abuse, but you are supposed to want to escape. That is her intent. These games are supposed to be a horror game first in her intention.I know this is out of order
On that note... I think you should check out the one solo game I know electric Puke made. It's called
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I do have to ask... What do you think S&M is? Cause uh... This ain't it... S&M is not abuse, S&M is consensual enjoyment of the extreme sensations of pain and pleasure in a controlled and caring environment... Sometimes it's you know... CNC as stated, but if you're looking for S&M CNC or otherwise this is definitely not that.
I will definitely agree though... If you came here for the porn... Price of Flesh is extremely disappointing, even compared to BTD 1 and 2, but I've always thought the porn in these games were pretty lackluster also... Nine times out of ten it's just oral sex and visually the only actual sexual content is... a visible dick... which also is usually not even a fully visible dick... as often times it's basically just a hanging dick with the head out of frame...
Also for clarification... BTD 1 and 2 were group efforts of course, but they were originally masterminded by Electricpuke With gatobob and Darqx only writing their own specific parts.
As stated Gatobob did Strade in BTD 1 and Ren and Lawrence in BTD 2
Darqx only did Rire in BTD 1
Electricpuke did Sano and Akira in BTD 1 and Vincent and Cain in BTD 2
Oh, by George I think you're right!!! No, you are right, I meant to say I liked Till Death Do Us Part!!
This is kind of why I was calling Gatobob in the catchall of "They", because I remembered she was working with a team. Gosh, you're so right, I have been looking at this through a lens that I thought this person was Electricpuke! I saw on the old Boyfriend to death website that the developer was Electricpuke, but then that Gatobob have her own website with practically the same games on it, making me really confused. Damn, I was deceived because of the art and tone. Yes, I ended up only liking Electricpuke's routes, funny enough.
Thank you, this was exactly my problem, I don't believe I'm familiar with Gatobob's intent, it's Electricpuke I've been speaking on this whole time. Damn, sorry about that, yall. I'm still disappointed and bored af, but at least now I know these games and this developer are not for me!
Nah, fam, I know exactly what S&M is, as a sadomasochist, myself, sorry if I was being a bit informal/colloquial with the terms and assuming you'd get what I meant, despite being a stranger: Because this is fiction, and because it's a game intended to showcase a kink, and because that kink is for fictional characters to get abused, and I was implying the player to be the S&M fetishist in question, I was saying that fictional abuse is something sadist and masochist enjoy, fictionally, not that actual real life abuse is S&M... the consensual BDSM play definition of the term.
I think it is you who is confused on what S&M is, because... uh, sadism (and sometimes masochism) are apart of real life abuse, rather it's right/legal or not, because all abusers are sadist, psychologically speaking. Just because a group of movement kinksters took these dictionary terms, and turned it into a label for their kinky, sexy fun, doesn't remove the real definition of the word. It's sort of like the Poly/Harem "argument" I've had a while back; a community on the internet coined the term "Harem" to represent a type of polygamous genera that fits a (usually specific)LI availability trope in media, but the word "Harem" still very much mean (along the lines of)"The wives of a polygamous man" (with muslim origins) outside of the media world.
I'm not a BDSMer, well... ah, not really, left that life a while back
(I like the community, and they have smart/safe practices that I will be taking with me), I'm just one of those people who don't want to conform to a labeled structure/community (BDSM is too... uh, let's go with "anal retentive", for my taste). When I say "S&M", I literally mean the textbook definition of sadism and masochism, I'm just on the internet and is lazy, so I'm abbreviating it to the term you're questioning from a particular community. I guess it's confusing because the BDSM stole and repurposed the words "S&M" and turned it into something cute; but remember that other English speakers aren't apart/speaking of the same community as you, I'll try to remember it, myself.
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Sadism and Masochism are likely to show up in real life abuse, but there's a difference between the existence of Sadism and Masochism and the concept of S&M... S&M is a kink, Sadism and Masochism are psychological terms. I understand the misunderstanding with you simply using the S&M abbreviation though... Anyway I didn't mean to insult you or come off as like pretentious or anything sorry if I did.
It just seemed like you were conflating the two and I wasn't sure it was intentional.
Nah, it's cool!
I don't fault you for misunderstanding, I was being very presumptuous with my language in public, anyways, I get too comfortable, and like to type as if I'm chatting with friends (people who know me and my intentions); you are right in what you say, I just didn't consider the possibility that people would assume I was talking about BDSM culture. I haven't been in the BDSM scene in a minute, so I forget it's a lifestyle that has it's own language and definitions (I'm more of a textbook/psychology crowed, myself). I also know this site can have users of... uh, "questionable morality", so I forget that I might say something that might seem like I'm confusing/defending a particular "subject"... if you get my drift (I've seen some wild... partisan... to some... uh... extreme prejudices...).
It's a flaw of mine to be long winded with walls of text to try and cover my ass, since I know my words and opinions carry meanings that might not be understood by others that don't have the same vernacular as me. I'll try to improve, but its hard when I don't know what one word I say might mean to someone else. It's all good, though.
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Heh yeah. Rather than the collective auction house theme this had to cobble together, I would've very much preferred each route to have been fully explored in their own games. An entire VN centered on the desert gang and you're trying to latch on to one of the killers would've been a pretty good concept. The Jackal has almost as much screen time as Derek so it makes sense if you think about it.
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So you're straight but want to see LGBT content?? hmmExcluded solely because of my sexual identity once again
To be fair it is written "TYPICAL straight man". You can totally be straight IRL and be curious about LGB content. Like, one of my favorite H-game here is Tales of Androginy and it's not at all a "typical straight man" game
Does anyone here care that this was stolen from a small Indie developer? This took her 3 years to make and is her only source of income
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