The restriction on characters aged under 18 and its limits.

Benn Swagger

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Read the ToS (Term of Service) of the site you want/plan to put it.
If you want to put it on Dark Web ... hell, even baby fucker is allowed (as long as authority didn't find it).
Many host site have their own ToS, but majority of it disallow under 18 porn content, as well as the character's visual.

In 3D, your character can get flagged because the character visual looks like under 18, even the story tell it over 18.
It happen to a few Developer in Patreon, example GDS's Chloe18. While he finally get approval, it damaged/disturbing production lines.

However, in 2D Hentai, under age 18 looks often get pardoned/passed, even when have teenage girl voice over, especially in Japanese voice over. As if you meet pretty much real Japanese female who pick the cute lifestyle ... their height is short, their female language sounded thin, and clothing like teenager. It's hard for them to ban 2D hentai for underage, unless the story are very explicit telling controversial things.
 

Malkav

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It does not matter what is legal where you are from. The site has this specific rule

  1. If a game contains sexual contact with realistic or semi-realistic character(s) who show no sign of puberty(ie prepubescent) then the game should not be shared. Basically, if it looks like a real kid don't post it. As this involves some discretion, if you are unsure ask a Staff Member

I have seen people debate this several times during my stay on f95zone, and the answer will always be that this is a private site, that follows privately chosen rules. The laws of any location are irrelevant.
 

GhoztSurfer

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I think the OP is trying to "Split" hairs here. It would be very east to probably re-write a few lines in your Dialog Script, and Viola! She no longer has an age. Leave that part to the imagination of the Player.

Make sure that there are at least some largish Mosquito bites where the breast are supposed to be, and who is to say what her age is, remember the Disclaimer at the start of your game declaring that all persons portrayed are at least 18 years of age.

It is YOUR intellectual property, it would be next to impossible for someone to tell you how old a 3dcg Character model truly is.
 

Aeilion

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I don't know if it is the fact that English is not my native language and / or that I am a nozzle with regard to the faculty of explaining myself but there has never been a question of a young child physics or questioning about visual. My character looks like a girl around the age of 18, she could look like 16 or 20 in fact. To tell the truth, I have known of a 24-year-old girl who was always the same physique as at 16 years old.

In short I do not speak of the character's visual because as you have noticed it is often subjective and you can always find examples to contradict one or other of the thoughts.

I'm talking specifically about the advertised age because it's the only thing that's stated in the laws (in general) and I'm not talking about the f95 forum but laws related to the exploitation of my game and therefore the site that will broadcast it.

In any case thank you for all the answers, I think the response of darthseduction, Benn Swagger (and others) is the one I was looking for. To know that I have to refer to the laws related only to the site of diffusion of the game for example Patreon.

I'll just give my character 18 years and change a few things it's not a big deal. Even if it's a shame it will be much simpler like that.
 

Ataios

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I wonder how the law treats certain fantasy and science-fiction characters?
A young elf may be older than 18 but look younger.
A cyborg may be only days old, but look like an adult.
Does anyone know about the legal situation to such humanoid but not human characters?
 

Gomly1980

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I wonder how the law treats certain fantasy and science-fiction characters?
A young elf may be older than 18 but look younger.
A cyborg may be only days old, but look like an adult.
Does anyone know about the legal situation to such humanoid but not human characters?
Yes, they consider it **********.

The law isn't grey in that area, in the UK at least, regardless of race if it looks like a child it falls under that category.



  • criminalising possession of pornographic non-photographic images depicting under-18s, and of adults where the "predominant impression conveyed" .


If it looks like a child, even if it's an adult, it's illegal in the UK.
 

Ataios

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Yes, they consider it **********.

The law isn't grey in that area, in the UK at least, regardless of race if it looks like a child it falls under that category.



  • criminalising possession of pornographic non-photographic images depicting under-18s, and of adults where the "predominant impression conveyed" .


If it looks like a child, even if it's an adult, it's illegal in the UK.
The cyborg version too? So if the character looks and speaks clearly like an adult, lacks any remotely child-like features, but is a recently created cyborg/AI/robot?
 

Gomly1980

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The cyborg version too? So if the character looks and speaks clearly like an adult, lacks any remotely child-like features, but is a recently created cyborg/AI/robot?
Yep, if it looks like a child then it is considered a child.
 

Ataios

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Yep, if it looks like a child then it is considered a child.
No, my question was if the character is younger in the story, like a recently created cyborg, but doesn't look like a child.
What in case of a movie? If a 40 year old actress plays the role of a recently created cyborg, would that be considered **********, because the character is younger in the story, or does the older actress overrule the story?
 

Gomly1980

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No, my question was if the character is younger in the story, like a recently created cyborg, but doesn't look like a child.
What in case of a movie? If a 40 year old actress plays the role of a recently created cyborg, would that be considered **********, because the character is younger in the story, or does the older actress overrule the story?
Of course that doesn't count, it's a 40 year old.

The law is only if it looks like a child. If it's a child in a 40 year olds body it's a 40 year old.

Like I said, the law is very black and white on this.

If it looks like a child it's bad if it doesn't it's good.
 

Ataios

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Of course that doesn't count, it's a 40 year old.

The law is only if it looks like a child. If it's a child in a 40 year olds body it's a 40 year old.

Like I said, the law is very black and white on this.

If it looks like a child it's bad if it doesn't it's good.
That's what I wanted to know, therefore "looks and speaks clearly like an adult" in the post above. If it were different, that would make it quite difficult for the science-fiction genre, because with androids, cyborgs, replicants, AIs and other artificial beings you will likely encounter characters that are technically underage, even if they have the body and mind of an adult.
 

DarthSeduction

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That's what I wanted to know, therefore "looks and speaks clearly like an adult" in the post above. If it were different, that would make it quite difficult for the science-fiction genre, because with androids, cyborgs, replicants, AIs and other artificial beings you will likely encounter characters that are technically underage, even if they have the body and mind of an adult.
Born sexy yesterday, aka, the creepiest trope we have ever come up with.
 

GhoztSurfer

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Gomly1980, your post was well versed, and nicely researched, well done, and that is virtually the same as it is in the states. Over here they Outlawed LoliCon a long time ago.

But, what I don't understand is that they will allow you to buy one of those new Sex Dolls, that looks like she is 12 or 13.
Guess the Law hasn't caught up with the Technology yet.
 
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Ataios

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Born sexy yesterday, aka, the creepiest trope we have ever come up with.
I don't know of such a trope. I thought of settings like Bladerunner. Replicants don't know that they were only created recently. They don't get older than four years. Some fantasy settings have characters that are created as adults too. Warforged in Eberron (D&D) are living golems with humanoid bodies (though usually no sexdrive). Sylvari in Guild Wars 2 spawn from their Mother Tree as adults with basic understanding of the world. Their sex drive is much lower than a humans, but some enter romantic relationships, though often on a platonic level. Orcs usually reach adulthood at a lower age than humans, 12 to 14 years in most settings.
 

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I don't know of such a trope. I thought of settings like Bladerunner. Replicants don't know that they were only created recently. They don't get older than four years. Some fantasy settings have characters that are created as adults too. Warforged in Eberron (D&D) are living golems with humanoid bodies (though usually no sexdrive). Sylvari in Guild Wars 2 spawn from their Mother Tree as adults with basic understanding of the world. Their sex drive is much lower than a humans, but some enter romantic relationships, though often on a platonic level. Orcs usually reach adulthood at a lower age than humans, 12 to 14 years in most settings.
Oh, yeah, that's different from what I thought you were getting at... kinda. I was talking more like Leeloo from the 5th Element, or Olivia Wilde's character in Tron Legacy. Hot chicks who have the intelligence and capacity of an adult, but lack the context or understanding of sex, essentially making them naive enough to fall for the protagonist in their story.
 

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Oh, yeah, that's different from what I thought you were getting at... kinda. I was talking more like Leeloo from the 5th Element, or Olivia Wilde's character in Tron Legacy. Hot chicks who have the intelligence and capacity of an adult, but lack the context or understanding of sex, essentially making them naive enough to fall for the protagonist in their story.
No, I was clearly thinking of characters that are already created with a full understanding of their bodily functions and an equal understanding of sex to a human - like an AI with all the knowledge of sex available on the internet, who creates a cyborg body to try it for herself maybe or any of the characters mentioned in my post above. Synths in Fallout are good example too, as well as androids in Star Trek. Basically anything that is created with a mind and body similar or superior to an adult human. Certainly there are naive version of cyborg or android characters in the media as well, but as I don't like naive characters, I didn't think of those.
 
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MrSandman69

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so this is the reason because most of games starts with a disclamer like "all characters are 18 years old or more, no real situations bla bla bla" Interesting to know it.
 

Hadley

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I think the best thing is make her look young and let the player put in the age himself. A few Games did that recently and it worked out pretty well. Then you don't have all these "18" Year olds that want you to teach them how to masturbate.
 

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Well as long as the girl shows any signs of maturity (for example boobs or able to get pregnant? )and is near the age of 15 i think its fine... thats what the rule says anyways .. As loing as you dont go into full pedo mode its alright..
Those are this websites rules, not necessarily the law of the land... Each country has their own laws concerning what is and is not considered appropriate for content involving sexual encounters or even witnessing sexual encounters, when it comes to fiction and/or non-fiction visuals and/or writing... As per example, in the United Kingdom, any drawing, anime, 3D picture, etc. that includes character models, in any form of sexual encounter, must appear to look 18 or older regardless what the developers claim their age is... No character can even witness a sexual encounter, and look under the age of 18 in the visuals... Otherwise it's considered under-aged pornography and subject to prosecution by the U.K. authorities...

While in the U.S. the laws are strict but in some ways ambiguous depending on the form the content takes, in that if the images appear or imply that any involved visual characters are under the legal age of 18 and in any way involved with a sexual act then it is subject to prosecution as under-aged porn... But, state and federal laws allow some flexibility depending on the circumstances of the visuals and writings purpose... Such as when someone writes a book of non-fiction about some peoples experience with being victims of under-aged porn, and things like that... Or a documentary about the sex trade industry, obviously with some restrictions on what visuals are allowed to be shown... Stuff like that... Freedom of Speech is not a carte blanche set of laws without restriction or consequence...

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Those are this websites rules, not necessarily the law of the land... Each country has their own laws concerning what is and is not considered appropriate for content involving sexual encounters or even witnessing sexual encounters, when it comes to fiction and/or non-fiction visuals and/or writing... As per example, in the United Kingdom, any drawing, anime, 3D picture, etc. that includes character models, in any form of sexual encounter, must appear to look 18 or older regardless what the developers claim their age is... No character can even witness a sexual encounter, and look under the age of 18 in the visuals... Otherwise it's considered under-aged pornography and subject to prosecution by the U.K. authorities...

While in the U.S. the laws are strict but in some ways ambiguous depending on the form the content takes, in that if the images appear or imply that any involved visual characters are under the legal age of 18 and in any way involved with a sexual act then it is subject to prosecution as under-aged porn... But, state and federal laws allow some flexibility depending on the circumstances of the visuals and writings purpose... Such as when someone writes a book of non-fiction about some peoples experience with being victims of under-aged porn, and things like that... Or a documentary about the sex trade industry, obviously with some restrictions on what visuals are allowed to be shown... Stuff like that... Freedom of Speech is not a carte blanche set of laws without restriction or consequence...

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well... idk man .. from what i know the servers for the site can be anywhere on the world and since no one knows where it is i dont think they can enforce the local laws .. we just have the rule and this is my reasoning by the way is cause we already have too much problems as it is with us being an pirate site getting DMCAed every day and copyright agencies being on our asses which is why getting chased by every other law agency in the world for having child pornography is something the staff doesn't want to deal with.
DONT QUOTE ME ON THIS BY THE WAY
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