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SlapE

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xapican could explain it better since he has done several routes. I only played Lois on the girlfriend route. Apparently, what Kiki offers to do and what she actually does varies according to whether you are on the Lois slut route, Lois mistress route or the Lois girlfriend route. But, what I described above happens even on the Lois girlfriend route.
The only effect I've seen Lois's relationship have on Kiki so far, is the interaction and dialogue she has with Kiki in the office shortly after hiring Kiki. This latest update it didn't seem to have any effect, not even dialogue I don't think. The Lois GF/Sub routes were exactly the same with Kiki both at the office and afterwards.
 

motseer

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The only effect I've seen Lois's relationship have on Kiki so far, is the interaction and dialogue she has with Kiki in the office shortly after hiring Kiki. This latest update it didn't seem to have any effect, not even dialogue I don't think. Only the Lois GF/Sub routes it was exactly the same with Kiki both at the office and afterwards.
That's fine. I wasn't sure about that part. For me... it should have made a difference. If I'm not choosing to treat Lois like a slut the author should probably be able to assume I don't want Kiki to act like one. That's all I'm sayin' about it. I'm only still responding because it's you guys who asked what I meant in my other post. For me... this was a deal breaker and I'm done with the story.
 

Vleder

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But Kiki's character certainly has swerved from what was originally indicated, going from the innocent receptionist harassed by her manager whom the MC could offer to hire to his company or as his maid to save and/or corrupt [...], to now being a full-on deranged turboslut...
This is what togs answered on Patreon when reactions to the 1001 build started coming: “There's a significant number of people who do want something a little "darker", for want of a better term. Having Kiki to fulfill that seemed like a workable compromise as I wasn't looking to take some of the more core characters too far down that road. We'll be back to fun and games with the next update.”
I know there’s a bit more to that but it’s still a private conversation that is ongoing and I’m sure he’ll be here to address reasonable questions.

These changes are leading the game towards a darker path that was apparently requested by some patrons but that comes as a bad surprise for some players who had built up their expectations during the last two years.
That’s very true! Patrons and sponsors requests have always a bigger than expected impact because the money can be alluring at one point and the story twists it induces may be plot significant for many players. Then, “the offended part” takes off and devs are left alone with the “requesting part”. It needs to be seen if that ensures proper support for the game’s development. Even if it does, it’s already a different game.
I’m pretty sure similar request have been made specifically concerning Kari so there’s always the matter of who will be writing the story if patrons or supporters take the dev’s place even if it’s for a few moments.

I doubt that Togs would just give up after reading a few comments that are rather polite in comparison with what I have seen in other games.
I don’t believe he’ll give up but I’m still worried. Examples in the past are very consistent in their results: devs suddenly change the tone of the narrative, players and supporters get disappointed and leave, new players ask for the changes to go deeper and all of a sudden there’s a different game that not even the dev wants to do. I believe this is a passion work for togs but I’ve seen it happen so many times in the past, with devs that were also very passionate about their story and characters, that I can’t help but fear it’ll happen here too. And, even if the project persists, the forced content has already changed its nature for many players.
At the same time, I think it’s something rather easy to fix, even if it means adding another splitting path to the story. After all, Kiki will still be the PA and we’ll have to work with her and so on and so on.
I really hope togs goes back to “fun and games” like he said, because that’s where his creativity shines.

Yes, yes, that’s only my opinion!
 

SlapE

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That's fine. I wasn't sure about that part. For me... it should have made a difference. If I'm not choosing to treat Lois like a slut the author should probably be able to assume I don't want Kiki to act like one. That's all I'm sayin' about it. I'm only still responding because it's you guys who asked what I meant in my other post. For me... this was a deal breaker and I'm done with the story.
I don't think relationships with one character should depend too much on other characters, I've never been a fan out that. I mean Kiki was literally given her own separate options exclusive to her for what sort of relationship you wanted (Sub/Mistress/Slut). Now if you pick the Mistress one with Kiki, you shouldn't have a slutty Kiki be forced on you, you should then be given like a separate option that lets you pick if you want to influence her to become more slutty or stay a bit more reserved and classy. (Or just keep her a bit more classy and non-slutty by default, since this game is already a bit complex as it is.)

This is just my opinion though, cause just because I want a certain type of relationship with one character, doesn't necessarily mean I want the same kind of relationship with another. (Nor do I want all characters to feel/act the same)
 

Maviarab

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Actually, what is the different between slut,sub,mistress path? I mean for all girls include the fucking Kiki.
With Lois, Mistress is similar to GF only she is your dirty secret. Kari may or may not accept this depending on her specific route. Slut route is your personal slut, she up for a lot and has the most content along with her sub route (a sub route of the first slut choice in the plane) and also has a lot of content where she is your personal sub. This can then branch into the whore path which allows sharing.

Not that I have a lot of different Lois routes...(currently 27 different paths/saves for all variable options with characters)...or that I may be slightly obsessed with her...not at all...nope...nadda...no siree...not at all....
 

motseer

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This is what togs answered on Patreon when reactions to the 1001 build started coming: “There's a significant number of people who do want something a little "darker", for want of a better term. Having Kiki to fulfill that seemed like a workable compromise as I wasn't looking to take some of the more core characters too far down that road. We'll be back to fun and games with the next update.”
I know there’s a bit more to that but it’s still a private conversation that is ongoing and I’m sure he’ll be here to address reasonable questions.


That’s very true! Patrons and sponsors requests have always a bigger than expected impact because the money can be alluring at one point and the story twists it induces may be plot significant for many players. Then, “the offended part” takes off and devs are left alone with the “requesting part”. It needs to be seen if that ensures proper support for the game’s development. Even if it does, it’s already a different game.
I’m pretty sure similar request have been made specifically concerning Kari so there’s always the matter of who will be writing the story if patrons or supporters take the dev’s place even if it’s for a few moments.


I don’t believe he’ll give up but I’m still worried. Examples in the past are very consistent in their results: devs suddenly change the tone of the narrative, players and supporters get disappointed and leave, new players ask for the changes to go deeper and all of a sudden there’s a different game that not even the dev wants to do. I believe this is a passion work for togs but I’ve seen it happen so many times in the past, with devs that were also very passionate about their story and characters, that I can’t help but fear it’ll happen here too. And, even if the project persists, the forced content has already changed its nature for many players.
At the same time, I think it’s something rather easy to fix, even if it means adding another splitting path to the story. After all, Kiki will still be the PA and we’ll have to work with her and so on and so on.
I really hope togs goes back to “fun and games” like he said, because that’s where his creativity shines.

Yes, yes, that’s only my opinion!
Thanks for the insight. You make several good points which incline me to rant further. Hehe, sorry, not sorry. While accepting the premise that porn does not reflect reality it is still nice if it at least resembles reality. If I owned a company that had a dress code for the reception area I think I would take exception to my new PA running naked through that area and into my office. I don't think I would avail that moment as an opportunity to gift her a dildo no matter how familiar we were and I would definitely take exception to her offer to fuck my construction foreman in front of me 10 seconds after meeting him. What do I think I would do? Fire her on the spot. End rant.
 
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SlapE

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Thanks for the insight. You make several good points which incline me to rant further. Hehe, sorry, not sorry. While accepting the premise that porn does not reflect reality it is still nice if it at least resembles reality. If I owned a company that had a dress code for the reception area I think I would take exception to my new PA running naked through that area and into my office. I don't thing I would avail that moment as an opportunity to gift her a dildo no matter how familiar we were and I would definitely take exception to her offer to fuck my construction foreman in front of me 10 seconds after meeting him. What do I think I would do? Fire her on the spot. End rant.
Yeah that whole naked walking through the office, and the Jed stuff felt really forced and like it didn't belong I won't lie. In my opinion that should be exclusive to the slut path, or give an option to demand it on the sub path, since your her dom. Definitely doesn't belong on a mistress path, and shouldn't be forced on the sub path either. (Again, just my opinion.) :p
 

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this game is so unoptimized and laggy it crashes and freezes every single time and nobody reports this XD
 

motseer

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I don't think relationships with one character should depend too much on other characters, I've never been a fan out that. I mean Kiki was literally given her own separate options exclusive to her for what sort of relationship you wanted (Sub/Mistress/Slut). Now if you pick the Mistress one with Kiki, you shouldn't have a slutty Kiki be forced on you, you should then be given like a separate option that lets you pick if you want to influence her to become more slutty or stay a bit more reserved and classy. (Or just keep her a bit more classy and non-slutty by default, since this game is already a bit complex as it is.)

This is just my opinion though, cause just because I want a certain type of relationship with one character, doesn't necessarily mean I want the same kind of relationship with another. (Nor do I want all characters to feel/act the same)
What SlapE said TM
 

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I played the 10.02 update (sub/slave paths) and it always surprises me at the amount of pearl clutching people do about fictional characters in a porn game and even mentioning having the option to do something as ruining their experience.

After reading some of the comments I was expecting the MC to do something awful like forcing a character to be raped by strayed dogs, but instead was faced with a dark sad backstory, a discussion of boundaries and what a character wanted out of their relationship and a somewhat abrupt character shift to be more overtly sexual.

I'll put my specific story likes and dislikes in a spoiler
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xapican

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What's the NTR part?
You can "order" 2 of the girls on "2paths" to have sex with a stranger, or being "schooled" by a Mistress. and a few situations with the "Main Girl" where it is hard on the edge of NTR (this last is subjective, so it doesn't count in my eyes)
 
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SlapE

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IT WOULD BE SO EASY FOR DEV TO MAKE NTR SHIT AVOIDABLE...EASY PEASY
I mean, I haven't ran into any NTR, so it is avoidable... unless you consider Kiki talking about what she talked about "NTR"... then I suppose. (That's not NTR though)

I do think Kiki being super slutty by default should be changed though, in my personal opinion at least. (She's like that on all paths which is weird)
 

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I like most of the girls, but why would I be interested in Kiki at all?
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It seems like the most useless girls get the most screen time. I guess the author wants to save the spectacular girls for later in the story. But often an author burns out on the VN and the girls you waited the whole game for get rushed into an abbreviated finale with barely any development.
 

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I like most of the girls, but why would I be interested in Kiki at all?
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It seems like the most useless girls get the most screen time. I guess the author wants to save the spectacular girls for later in the story. But often an author burns out on the VN and the girls you waited the whole game for get rushed into an abbreviated finale with barely any development.
The story is kinda in the finish line Mc need to start impregnating asap.
without greek harem subplot, what remains? this cool one about sharing.
 
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