VN Others Completed The Senator's Daughter [v1.3.2] [KexBoy]

[XJ347]

So little content

How is he to nickle and dime everyone if he takes his time before monetizing his game to make a proper introduction? Now he can make you pay for the set up of the game!

Personally I never support publishers that come off this greedy. I haven't bought an EA game since ME3! If these publishers want my hard earned money they need to show people some respect.

 

[Jalapenosbythehandful]

I paid the $3 to get past the paywall to see what was on the other side (c'mon, it's 3 dollars) and uhh... afaict the paywall is a hardlock when the content runs out.

The fact there's a patreon paywall on the patreon version of the game will probably see me drop my sub.

Hilariously, it's the paywall for Magic Slavery.

 

[maxx mad]

Interesting settings, i hope it's going to make it into a bugfree v 1.0

 

[Azope]

So you can't go after be invited to come seen the friend ?

 

[styggtuff12]

looks very promising with good art and a potentially interesting story but very little there right now. best to wait a few months

 

[Godfather922]

That last screenshot gave me a jiggle....


I mean giggle.

 

[Blockout]

In the game you'll try the role of the ex-centurion, and now a free man named Vitus.

But Roman soldiers always were free men.

 

[Demon Jhim]

When I'm invited to the house of the senator I can't continue it ask to be a patreon. Damn I hate pay wall.

 

[Rolling Joints]

How is he to nickle and dime everyone if he takes his time before monetizing his game to make a proper introduction? Now he can make you pay for the set up of the game!

Personally I never support publishers that come off this greedy. I haven't bought an EA game since ME3! If these publishers want my hard earned money they need to show people some respect.

Completely agree, I understand the concept of the developer asking money for a game because the developer has worked hard (or perceived to be working hard) and because of the hard work they deserve it, but, To pay wall the shit out of it in both the Patreon version and the free version is just greedy shit, I love the concept for this game but I don't know how to feel about it now, I feel I need to sit back and watch to see if the developer keeps up with the scummy tactics which would mean I will not support or defend them, of course if I am misunderstanding the scummyness of this entire thing, the Dev (or anyone really) can feel free to correct me.

 

[UncleVT]

Added v0.3.0 to OP.

 

[cru]

how much art is in the new update?
like 10 art my dude.

 

[CreepyGhost]

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Wiggle wiggle wiggle

 

[RNDM]

But Roman soldiers always were free men.

There were instances of auxilia units being formed from slaves, convicts etc. in times of dire manpower shortages (Augustus raised a good ~50 regiments this way during the Illyrian revolt of 6-9 AD) so it's actually not an impossible scenario for the MC to have started out that way, made centurion through merit and eventually muster out as a free man (this being an obvious carrot to motivate men in such units).

 

[Thermophob]

There were instances of auxilia units being formed from slaves, convicts etc. in times of dire manpower shortages (Augustus raised a good ~50 regiments this way during the Illyrian revolt of 6-9 AD) so it's actually not an impossible scenario for the MC to have started out that way, made centurion through merit and eventually muster out as a free man (this being an obvious carrot to motivate men in such units).

Auxiliaries were free men, allies, or subjects of Empire, but not citizens. Also, they were not commanded by centurions.

 

[RNDM]

Auxiliaries were free men, allies, or subjects of Empire, but not citizens. Also, they were not commanded by centurions.

They were usually free non-citizens;

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. See the third paragraph, as well as the fourth - there was nothing stopping a citizen from enlisting in an auxilia unit if he wished to. And auxilia had the exact same command structure and

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as the citizen legions so, yeah - really the main difference between the two forces was social status and pay grade (plus the auxilia covering just about all roles that weren't straight heavy infantry) and even that eventually disappeared.

 

[Thermophob]

They were usually free non-citizens;

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. See the third paragraph, as well as the fourth - there was nothing stopping a citizen from enlisting in an auxilia unit if he wished to.

But Romans, didn't use slaves as soldiers. Just in case they did sometimes, it was rather exceptional measure. Either way, Wikipedia article doesn't mention... so what's exactly point? Besides, auxilia, were not just peregrini, but various allied corps...

And auxilia had the exact same command structure and

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as the citizen legions so, yeah -

Ok, they had centurions and decurions, but while cavalry decurions can be considered somewhat equivalent to modern officers, centurions are not officers in proper sense, they were, more equivalent to warrant officers, also, they were not slaves either...
Even if some centurion was slave, at same time of his life, he wasn't slave when he was commanding his company.
Same goes for slaves, bought and *emancipated* before conscription in ranks of auxiliaries. That was, I believe main complaint about story introduction, if MC was slave, he had to be emancipated before entering army... There were also citizens who were slaves... some emancipated slaves went to senatorial ranks...

 

[RNDM]

But Romans, didn't use slaves as soldiers. Just in case they did sometimes, it was rather exceptional measure. Either way, Wikipedia article doesn't mention... so what's exactly point? Besides, auxilia, were not just peregrini, but various allied corps...

Ok, they had centurions and decurions, but while cavalry decurions can be considered somewhat equivalent to modern officers, centurions are not officers in proper sense, they were, more equivalent to warrant officers, also, they were not slaves either...
Even if some centurion was slave, at same time of his life, he wasn't slave when he was commanding his company.
Same goes for slaves, bought and *emancipated* before conscription in ranks of auxiliaries.

The point is they did, in emergencies, draft soldiers from distinctly unfree sources. That those were technically freed in the process is a somewhat academic distinction given the enlistement was compulsory and the tour of duty a decade or two (term of service for both legions and auxilia was standardised at 25 years by the mid 1st century AD); in some rather real senses they only actually became free men upon mustering out.

Not getting your quibble about the officer corps, premodern armies anywhere didn't exactly have formal officer schools anyway.

 

[kishmish]

Some people come here for porn, I come here to educate myself on the matter of ancient history. Thank you Thermophob and RNDM.

 

[Kripke]

Unfortunately, 'KexBoy' means stolen stories, boring gameplay and low quality.

 

[RNDM]

It wasn't academic distinction. To former slaves, it was improvement. They were unfree, unpaid labourers, who might also suffer from food shortages and bad housing. In auxilia, they were paid, armed, fed, clothed and housed, when not on march...

Really? Conscription is still compulsory in most of world, in case of war... that doesn't make one or other country slave owning countries. Anyway, for most part auxiliaries were volunteers.

Do pay attention. The topic was the draftees from unfree manpower pools, not the usual recruitment methods.

And while involuntary enlistement was a step up from slavery or imprisonment by any yardstick it was nevertheless de facto just an exchange in which form of authority and discipline you were obliged to submit to or else. Such men were involuntarily subjected to the embarracked lifestyle and harsh discipline of the military for decades without any of the usual niceties of even conscription and weren't exactly free to quit at their discretion; while certainly an improvement over their prior circumstances (all the more so in terms of future prospects) it is hardly an exaggeration to say that in real terms they remained effectively unfree until discharge.

Officers of Roman armies were comites (precursor to counts), legates, tribunes.., drawn from elites, patriacians and equites. Their authority was simply far beyond that of centurions, who were drawn from footsoldiers. Legates and tribunes, did have some instructions in strategy, and tactics before entering army, centurions went from bottom, and learned through service, like modern non comisioned officers. They had more of authority than modern warrant officers, and better social standing, still, they were not considered part of officer corps by officers of Army, and were of different background, upbringing.

I have no idea why you're limiting the definition of "officers" in the Roman army to the senior officers (tribunes and above, always of at least the equestrian class), nevermind now tying it to social class - not to mention that centurions of the primus pilus rank were automatically elevated into the equestrian class anyway. Actual historians certainly don't and centurions are generally considered broadly analogous to modern captains (a commissioned officer rank).

And the Romans had no more systematic, formal officer training than anyone else before about the 1700s (which is about when the Europeans first started dabbling with the idea) - as usual the upper classes were sort of just expected to pick up the necessary leadership know-how holistically from their upbringing (ie. reading/hearing accounts of bygone campaigns) and maybe if they were lucky from serving as aides to active commanders, while those coming up through the ranks one way or another were down to pure "learning by doing" insofar their abilities allowed. As you might imagine the results were... uneven. (The rather complicated cursus honorum career progression of the Roman elite, which repeatedly rotated them between civilian and military posts, probably didn't help...)