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Maviarab

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And?

How would she know? She literally just aknowledged the existence of supernatural beings. She has to learn, you can't learn very good by just letting others make decisions for you.

Yes, from a certain point of view (3000 years of living) she is very naive. Can't argue with that. I give her leeway because i understand where she's coming from.
Yet a certain two other mates don't have this issue nor are as stupid or whiny....
 

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I don't really feel Naya all that much I put in the friendzone only time I include her in a lewd scene is when it's a threesome haha
 

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Ok, so i downloaded the latest version and started "New Game" and then after Atlas and the girls arrive in the Elf Realm it jumps to a meeting with Seraphina wichi i think is far on the plot.....Anyone else had this problem?
 

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Ok, so i downloaded the latest version and started "New Game" and then after Atlas and the girls arrive in the Elf Realm it jumps to a meeting with Seraphina wichi i think is far on the plot.....Anyone else had this problem?
Did you import ? your game from Realm 2 or realm 3 using the Import function ?
 

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How would she know? She literally just aknowledged the existence of supernatural beings. She has to learn, you can't learn very good by just letting others make decisions
We all need to make our own errors.
You aren't wrong, but at the same time, you're wrong. Let's have her make mistakes with a peanut butter sandwich or picking the wrong color paint or wallpaper. Not something involving the lives of billions. Let's have her work her way up to that and leave her moralizing at the door.
 

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Not something involving the lives of billions.
I've always found this a bit ironic of an argument since the demon path literally involves the death of billions.

Yeah, they aren't directly your people, but the ultimate goal is to have an alliance or control over them. So indirectly they kind of are.

I also think that it's pretty naive to think that the Demon path won't be dealing with underground witch resistance fighters for generations to come after you're responsible for the genocide of half their people. Not to mention that Seraphina's days are likely numbered, especially if/when it comes out she's magically bound to you. She's going to be facing constant coup and assassination attempts for a very long time for her role in allowing things to get to that point.

Personally, I view the Demon path as the "short term gain, long term problem" path compared to the Witch path. Yeah, the demons are angry with you short term on the Witch path, but it's not like you've murdered half of them or left them under witch control. Ba'al clearly is fond of the daughters. He'll probably get over it eventually, and likely without directly causing problems for you in the meantime.
 

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You aren't wrong, but at the same time, you're wrong. Let's have her make mistakes with a peanut butter sandwich or picking the wrong color paint or wallpaper. Not something involving the lives of billions. Let's have her work her way up to that and leave her moralizing at the door.
Yeah, well. That's just your opinion. Fine.

She has different aproaches and tries to change things. It might not work as planned, but let's be honest, worse then what has happened until now is almost impossible.
Since this VN is not about Leyala's wrongdoings to billions of people but about the incompetence of the acting leaders of the realms.
 
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UnoriginalUserName

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I've always found this a bit ironic of an argument since the demon path literally involves the death of billions.
Their thousands / millions (they don't have billions, but even if they did, it wouldn't matter). Their lives don't matter. They aren't your responsibility as they are from another realm, namely one controlled (or which should be controlled) by the demons. All of them for one of yours. That's the kind of math you need to use.

Yeah, they aren't directly your people, but the ultimate goal is to have an alliance or control over them. So indirectly they kind of are.
A resource that's more trouble than it's worth is a resource best discarded. Ideally, yes, they should be kept under control. But if they're proving to be a threat, they should be removed, and they're under the demon's jurisdiction.

I also think that it's pretty naive to think that the Demon path won't be dealing with underground witch resistance fighters for generations to come after you're responsible for the genocide of half their people. Not to mention that Seraphina's days are likely numbered, especially if/when it comes out she's magically bound to you. She's going to be facing constant coup and assassination attempts for a very long time for her role in allowing things to get to that point.
The actual value of a resistance group has been VASTLY exaggerated. You need to have some other significant power providing substantial aid for them to be more than a mild annoyance against something like a superpower which both the demon and terran realms are.

As for the "generations to come" thing; the witches don't have that many people to begin with, and they're going to have even fewer after the purge. 4 of them 350 years from now aren't going to accomplish a damn thing. Anyone even suspected of harboring thoughts of sedition can be put to death, along with their family, friends, and their pet spidermonkeys. The demons don't care. In fact they want to straight up wipe them out. They'll either fall in line or simply be exterminated.

The realms are connected at known points so it's not like a witch is going to be able to sneak a bomb onto a bus in Idaho, and I doubt the demons even have the equivalent. The most they could accomplish is domestic terrorism which won't do a thing. The witches don't have twitter or CNN. Without any type of media impact terrorists and "revolutionaries" lose like 99% of their effectiveness.

Personally, I view the Demon path as the "short term gain, long term problem" path compared to the Witch path. Yeah, the demons are angry with you short term on the Witch path, but it's not like you've murdered half of them or left them under witch control. Ba'al clearly is fond of the daughters. He'll probably get over it eventually, and likely without directly causing problems for you in the meantime.
If you had to choose between alienating a long term ally and power that CAN pose a threat to you, or culling a few uncooperative and antagonistic people that don't actually matter, you'd prefer to piss off the billion year old ruler of hell in the hopes that he won't hold a grudge? Really?
 

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Their thousands / millions (they don't have billions, but even if they did, it wouldn't matter). Their lives don't matter. They aren't your responsibility as they are from another realm, namely one controlled (or which should be controlled) by the demons. All of them for one of yours. That's the kind of math you need to use.
I'd have to dig for it, but it is at one point mentioned that the witch population is in the billions spread primarily across their realm and your realm. So yes, it's billions, and not just in their realm.

Edit: Here's one snip in support of this:

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Honestly, it was always a bit hard for me to accept that the demons could kill half of that many in such a short time, but let's just assume Ba'al could coordinate billions of demons across the realm that made a coordinated strike we weren't shown.

A resource that's more trouble than it's worth is a resource best discarded. Ideally, yes, they should be kept under control. But if they're proving to be a threat, they should be removed, and they're under the demon's jurisdiction.
If that's your actually opinion, you shouldn't stop at half. Of course, you'd be potentially throwing away a resource of billions due to the actions of a handful.

As for the threat, that comes from Ophelia and the upper witch leadership. The rest of the witches are essentially oblivious to the other going ons and likely to fall in line with Seraphina. There's hints of some past evil done by the Witches against the Demons in some of the things Ba'al says, but that's mostly presented after the decision is made, sounds like it's long in the past, and still incredibly vague. You and your mates can't be expected to make decisions or agree to them based on such vagaries and it frankly sounds like the Ba'al wants revenge purely for emotional reasons rather than tactical or political.

Going along with the witches' plan naturalizes the current threat effectively since the main witch leadership is replaced and Ophelia's influence neutralized. And you're far less likely to have resistance elements since you didn't murder half of them.

The actual value of a resistance group has been VASTLY exaggerated. You need to have some other significant power providing substantial aid for them to be more than a mild annoyance against something like a superpower which both the demon and terran realms are.
You think your enemies won't try to support resistance elements in the realms you control? With the type of math you're supporting earlier of "no one else matters", I guarantee you will have more enemies willing to support elements to undermine you either to distract you from coming after them or destabilize your rule.

As for the "generations to come" thing; the witches don't have that many people to begin with, and they're going to have even fewer after the purge. 4 of them 350 years from now aren't going to accomplish a damn thing. Anyone even suspected of harboring thoughts of sedition can be put to death, along with their family, friends, and their pet spidermonkeys. The demons don't care. In fact they want to straight up wipe them out. They'll either fall in line or simply be exterminated.
As I mentioned, canon lore is there are 3 billion witches. Even with half killed, they aren't going anywhere. That's more than the population of any country on Earth. Even if just 0.01% of the remaining approximately 1.5 billion resist you, that's 150,000.

How much resources are you going to have to spend on finding these resistance elements, especially since the witches themselves are going to be incredibly reluctant to turn their own in? Going to be tying up the demons with the policing, or send your own people? Remember we barely were able to gather a few thousand to send. You really think the demons are going to have the temperament or desire to seek them out vs more wholesale slaughter or telling you to deal with it?

The realms are connected at known points so it's not like a witch is going to be able to sneak a bomb onto a bus in Idaho, and I doubt the demons even have the equivalent. The most they could accomplish is domestic terrorism which won't do a thing. The witches don't have twitter or CNN. Without any type of media impact terrorists and "revolutionaries" lose like 99% of their effectiveness.
Remember I mentioned that witches have significant presence in both their realm and yours. So now you're going to potentially be facing resistance elements in multiple realms, including your own which doesn't have demons to take the brunt of it. In terran realm, the witches definitely have technology. And witches literally have magic. I'd be very surprised if that doesn't include ways to communicate amongst them. And I'm sure your enemies will be taking note of any signs of weakness or internal turmoil that the resistance might expose.

If you had to choose between alienating a long term ally and power that CAN pose a threat to you, or culling a few uncooperative and antagonistic people that don't actually matter, you'd prefer to piss off the billion year old ruler of hell in the hopes that he won't hold a grudge? Really?
It's naive to think killing half the witches won't alienate other powerful factions. Even if they didn't care about the witches, other rulers will see how you treat them. Sure, some might be compelled to fall in line with the show of force, but only as much as they have to while secretly hoping or working to free themselves from your yoke. And it's not outside the realm of possibility that some will become motivated to form a mutual protection alliance against you if they become convinced they need to in order to protect themselves from a similar genocide.

And as I said, Ba'al clearly has a soft spot for the daughters. It's incredibly unlikely he'd actively do things to harm them or their future realm, even if he passively withholds support for a long time. It's a calculated risk in my opinion for a potential long-term gain of both the demons and the witches being long-term allies, and possibly smoothing over relations with other future allies.

Plus, I doubt this will be the only time I'll have conflicting opinions of action with Ba'al, especially if we continue to ally with more factions that will have their own demands. You'll need to be able to tell them "no" eventually or at a minimum negotiate them down to a compromise unless you want the demons to be your only ally, and the unnecessary genocide of billions seems like a good place to start.

Edit: I do want to emphasize that while I think picking the Witches was probably the smart move, the way that MC and his bond mates go about it is profoundly stupid by lying to Lucius and keeping him in the dark. Hence why my original post has a "what I would have instead done" section.
 
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I just started the game, I gotta say it's way better than I expected.

One thing it bugs me out (but it's non-trascendental) is that the MC is a Spartan; I love the idea of an Ancient asf vampire with a Greek soldier backstory, but the Spartans have been appearing so much in media it's kinda a burnt out cliché at this point, maybe a Macedonian or even a soldier from a more "exotic" Greek state like Greco-Bactria or Lagid Egypt would be better, in my humble opinion.

There's also his name "Atlas" and his brother's name "Odysseus". Ancient Greeks didn't use that kind of names back then, people weren't naming their children like gods, monsters and titans (no one was called Zeus, Herakles or Ares, unlike Mexicans with Jesus), nor famous Homeric characters like Achilles or Odysseus. In anycase they would use names related to them, like Diogenes (Dios-Genes, born of Dios/Zeus), Apollodoros (Apollon-Doron, gift of Apollo), etc.

In one scene they mention that Odysseus *could be* based on the real guy, the one from Homer's story, which is confusing asf as the real guy wasn't the son of some Spartan dude, but the son of Laertes, king of the Cephallenians, who ruled over Ithaca and surrounding islands (like his son would).

Not to mention that Odysseus is supposed to be a Late Bronze Age (1200 b.c.e.) "Mycenaean" guy while the cliché Spartans we all known and love from the 300s comic/film are "Dorian" (people who conquered/intermixed with/replaced the Mycenaeans) guys from the 500-400 b.c.e. era. Not only the MC and his brother are separated by land but also by blood/ethnics, and a lot of time. It would be like making an American vampire from 1980s' California son of Chinese immigrants who claims his brother was Abraham Lincoln.

Don't get me wrong, I didn't expect a porn game to be 100% historically accurate, nor do I give a sht about that sort of things honestly, just wanted to pointed that out on account of my OCD and autism. That shit aside, I really love the game; the sexual scenes and models are great, the story is cool, it's by far one of the best I've played on this site, so kudos to the devs for that
 

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Well ... you be That old dudde from Morrowind - you have to understand that Lucius was already insanely powerful back then and he had access to Ba*al and his resources and to Sprites and their resources and to witches and their resources, back when they did not have a disdain for eachother, so MC receives this otherworldy gift of after life from a guy who is best friend with actual demon lord of the afterlife - here the tales of Illiad and the Oddissey merge into the reality of MC.

In those days, if we follow the Greek Miths - Might made right, so Lucius could be a Zeus or Poseidon like character to those who would encounter his wrath or his affection, where vampires are obstinate poliamorous creatures who like to mingle with all the other otherworldy beings they come across - phrases ”like Odisseus” or based on ”Odisseus” is not a far fetched concept, as peole had to have different names and actual citizens being only the nobles, they would have to have tens or hundreds of different names they would pick for themselves - they are the rulers in a world of Carpe Diem - where Power makes Right.

So much time has passed, MC could be mingling time frames, as he could have seen his whole future as a passive observer - in fact they are mostly passive to normal humans in this game alltogether with the other entities - or even read about it centuries in the making of all Greek accounts in his native language or in any language - hundreds of years could be put to good use by a stoic noble man in learnign effectively all languages - MC is a nobleman, he is not portrayed as the knuckeheads in the 300 graphic novels or the movies, where they are shown like brutes half naked idiotic simpletons like some kind of Tokien Orcs with nothing for character or manners, just mindless killing machines for the Persian fodder.

MC could have been from any of the mythical lands in the Greek tales - becasue in this game, Underowrld exists and is a different world alltogether, Witches exist, Dragons exist, Sprites exist - MC muddling his account of the times he has lived or only just witnessed or read about - refining his memory to the recollection some schollar made centuries after the facts should not be such a deal breaker.
One thing it bugs me out (but it's non-trascendental) is that the MC is a Spartan
In one scene they mention that Odysseus *could be* based on the real guy, the one from Homer's story, which is confusing asf as the real guy wasn't the son of some Spartan dude, but the son of Laertes
Diogenes (Dios-Genes, born of Dios/Zeus), Apollodoros (Apollon-Doron, gift of Apollo),
 

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