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I never saw Atlas as weak. I just saw it as him giving his bondmates and mentors daughters the chance to step up.
The main reason I went and told Lucius is because all the women pushed me the wrong way. Ley is, as Atlas said, setting their realm for a fall and making them look weak. I get she wants to try and save everyone but in this situation, she can't. The witch kept pushing and she needs slapping back down.
If the girls had sorted it this time around, i'd have stayed on their side but not only did they fail to fix the issue, they are making things worse.
I don't want to ruin things with the bondmates, I do love that dynamic but the peace and love Ley is looking for isn't going to be found in worlds run by very powerful, very ancient beings with grudges and homicidal tendancies.
The longer they take sorting out the things with the witches the bigger a laughing stock they become until all the realms see them as nothing but a joke and mass wars kick off.
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Couldn't agree more. I don't see Atlas as weak either. But, as you say, trying hard to provide space for his bond mates to grow into their roles. This is also one reason I was taken aback during the scene. All three are essentially discounting his experience and understanding of how things work "IRL" - so to speak. The bitch queen has to pay. Unfortunately, many of her subjects will pay as well. I hope future dialogue will provide opportunity for Leyala, Kali and Naya to gain a little more respect for Atlas and his loyalty to Lucius as well as his dedication to the realm - 'cause you know Ley is gonna be pissed that he lied. That's the part I take exception to. I wouldn't have lied. I'd have just told them no - pulled rank. They might have still been pissed. But not in the same way. Hehe... ah, drama...
Hmm
Ley been getting on my nerves TBH.
She is too naive, and she has no experience of being a ruler.
She doesn't have the mindset that Atlas have, nor her father's, which he has been ruling under Lucius for centuries. He has been in war, and he knows the mindset and how cutthroat you need to be to rule.
I get she wants to save the witches, but atlas gave them a chance to come clean, and they still decide to poke the bear and yea, they about to get mauled and I cannot wait.
But I get it, She is still new to this new world, So I understand to an extent.
I expected more from Kali TBH, To me, she is somewhat like her father, well I thought she was.....
The way all three of them are doubting and questioning him is not a sign of loyalty, who suppose to be his bond mates and stand by him...
I get them having some morals, But in this situation, The witches crossed the line, and they deserve to get what is coming to them.
It seems ley, naya, and kali haven't learned anything at all from the training and little experience they gained.
Kali and Ley should be the most pissed out of the bunch since it involves their mother and father....
Morals gets thrown out of the window in these cases.
Should have told Ley to STFU and deal with it.
He is the leader of the pack regardless.
If this ruin the dynamic, well so be it.
I like the side chicks better TBH in some ways. (I still like the main girls, just saying, But not as much as the side chicks who I find more appealing with broader personalities. Kali imo is the one of have the most out of the bondmates imo.) But I do wish some side chicks were treated better by Atlas than just being his fuck and dip. *Cough* GINA *Cough.* Just having sex, with no feelings involved, does nothing for me.
Poor Gina man, loves a man that don't love her back, or probably never will.
I 100% sure Gina would have stood by Atlas in this decision.
But I digress. Imo, the queen and the witches are getting what they are owed, and I don't give a shit what ley and the rest of the bond mates say. At that point, Atlas should have just put his foot down instead of just hiding it to go tell Lucius, but I understand since if they knew, Ley will 100% be the main one to fuck shit up for Atlas.
Ley been getting on my nerves TBH.
She is too naive, and she has no experience of being a ruler.
She doesn't have the mindset that Atlas have, nor her father's, which he has been ruling under Lucius for centuries. He has been in war, and he knows the mindset and how cutthroat you need to be to rule.
I get she wants to save the witches, but atlas gave them a chance to come clean, and they still decide to poke the bear and yea, they about to get mauled and I cannot wait.
But I get it, She is still new to this new world, So I understand to an extent.
I expected more from Kali TBH, To me, she is somewhat like her father, well I thought she was.....
The way all three of them are doubting and questioning him is not a sign of loyalty, who suppose to be his bond mates and stand by him...
I get them having some morals, But in this situation, The witches crossed the line, and they deserve to get what is coming to them.
It seems ley, naya, and kali haven't learned anything at all from the training and little experience they gained.
Kali and Ley should be the most pissed out of the bunch since it involves their mother and father....
Morals gets thrown out of the window in these cases.
Should have told Ley to STFU and deal with it.
He is the leader of the pack regardless.
If this ruin the dynamic, well so be it.
I like the side chicks better TBH in some ways. (I still like the main girls, just saying, But not as much as the side chicks who I find more appealing with broader personalities. Kali imo is the one of have the most out of the bondmates imo.) But I do wish some side chicks were treated better by Atlas than just being his fuck and dip. *Cough* GINA *Cough.* Just having sex, with no feelings involved, does nothing for me.
Poor Gina man, loves a man that don't love her back, or probably never will.
I 100% sure Gina would have stood by Atlas in this decision.
But I digress. Imo, the queen and the witches are getting what they are owed, and I don't give a shit what ley and the rest of the bond mates say. At that point, Atlas should have just put his foot down instead of just hiding it to go tell Lucius, but I understand since if they knew, Ley will 100% be the main one to fuck shit up for Atlas.
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What i don't understand is why we can't be more dominating/naturaly subject Gina & Yuki... at least with Yuki what...
I mean we are born during antiquity era where slavery was the norm, the vampire society have slave & are still monarchy hierarchy, we are royaltie both as human & as vampire so i don't understand why we still need to stick by human modern rules ? The former queen & the bondmates thinking otherwise is normal, but the MC ? we don't even have a choice in the matter outside a weak "i like to be called master during sex, but you are still more than a servant & can have hobbies outside duty time"...
All the rest of the world can act normally but not us ?
Without behing unfair/brutal & treating them as trash, i find the MC far too sweet/kind for a ruler/noble
I dont feel the rank dynamic we can wait from a old monarchy society... the story if too tainted by today taboo/standard where slavery is wrong & you have to respect every humans like they are your equal.
Outside that the story herself is not bad & pleasant to read, still have to side with the others on the scene where we have to choose to either lie to our "father" or our bondmates instead of being what we normally are... a prince & the next king with century of knowledges & ground experience versus yougsters with only a few week experiences of rulling
I mean we are born during antiquity era where slavery was the norm, the vampire society have slave & are still monarchy hierarchy, we are royaltie both as human & as vampire so i don't understand why we still need to stick by human modern rules ? The former queen & the bondmates thinking otherwise is normal, but the MC ? we don't even have a choice in the matter outside a weak "i like to be called master during sex, but you are still more than a servant & can have hobbies outside duty time"...
All the rest of the world can act normally but not us ?
Without behing unfair/brutal & treating them as trash, i find the MC far too sweet/kind for a ruler/noble
I dont feel the rank dynamic we can wait from a old monarchy society... the story if too tainted by today taboo/standard where slavery is wrong & you have to respect every humans like they are your equal.
Outside that the story herself is not bad & pleasant to read, still have to side with the others on the scene where we have to choose to either lie to our "father" or our bondmates instead of being what we normally are... a prince & the next king with century of knowledges & ground experience versus yougsters with only a few week experiences of rulling
I am having a hard time deciding what to do but honestly it feels like not telling Lucius has more negatives than telling him.
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For what it's worth, Sparta (technically Laconia, but we'll use Sparta as the name) had several classes of varying privileges, including one for slaves, and they were generally treated relatively well compared to what you might expect (still slaves of course). Also, women in Sparta were actually treated extremely well, especially compared to other areas at the time. They weren't quite considered the equals of men if they had similar status, rank, and age, but they had a lot more freedom and respect than they would have had anywhere else in the world, so perhaps Atlas is influenced by that.
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I get that making a game is hard, it takes time, and for every path presented extra work has to be done. That said, if you are going to present such polar opposite choices you are going to get blowback if you don't at least try for some sort of middle path. The choice at the end of the game so far is ridiculous, it's all or nothing. And what's worse, it doesn't fit the character building of Atlas so far. There should have been at least one other option on top of "Lie and tell Lucius" or "Support Ley". At minimum the one other choice should have been "Pull rank and tell Lucius without Lying". Even better, another middle ground choice to say something like "Do what you want, I won't stop you, but I won't help.". She's asking him to risk destroying millennia of work, life, and family because she's "nice".
Edit: Having read more of the replies in this thread I feel like I should point out that in my playthrough I'm supporting Ley. I happen to agree with her personally that what basically amounts to genocide with a few exceptions isn't the best course. My problem is that the choices presented at the end are limited and don't match up with Atlas and his character building.
Edit: Having read more of the replies in this thread I feel like I should point out that in my playthrough I'm supporting Ley. I happen to agree with her personally that what basically amounts to genocide with a few exceptions isn't the best course. My problem is that the choices presented at the end are limited and don't match up with Atlas and his character building.
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100% agree! I'm with you, I think the biggest issue for me is the explicit choice to lie. That doesn't fit with how Atlas has been characterized so far, at least as far as I can tell. He sneaky and clever, sure, but he's also loyal to those he trusts, that's the whole point of this issue. He's been honest and upfront almost to a fault with the girls so far, but now he's somehow unable to speak his mind? They can't physically stop him from telling Lucius, and maybe if he told them they could go together and try to find some sort of middle ground. If we're saying that them not telling Lucius makes the realm look weak, then him lying to the others makes him look weak as well.
Hell, even keeping the dichotomy of choices but having the "tell Lucius" option be overt rather than deceptive would have sat a little better, but really it could have easily had three options by going "tell Lucius", "lie and tell Lucius", or "don't tell Lucius". Then two of them are on roughly the same path and don't require much change in renders, etc. but would just change some conversations/variables when the girls find out. Could even give players who pick the lie option a second chance to decide later, to choose not to tell Lucius when given the chance and thus retroactively make his statement truthful, though given the quick turnaround that wouldn't mean much.
Still a great story, but it will be interesting to see how the next few chapters build/react to this.
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We may be getting a bit side tracked focusing on the potential relationship rift as a story branch. The warning on the choice screen points out that the branching is choosing between the Demons or the Witches. I think I was among the first to take exception with "lie" part of the choice and I agree this goes against my perception of Atlas' character. The other potential drama will be any effect on the "bond" because of the choice and, potentially, the "lying". I suspect the bond is stronger than that and hurt feelings will not (ultimately) be problematic. The cost of choosing the Demons over the witches may, more likely, be Seraphina as a love interest. She is likely going to feel betrayed, although, IMO, she should feel fortunate to have survived...
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The literal devil wants to massacre her entire race and burn her realm to ash. Yeah, you'd think she'd be a little grateful to only have half of them get offed and to not only survive, but also be placed in a position of power and leadership instead of down in the mud.
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Yeah, that sentence I highlighted is why I went back and thew in my edit. It definitely was the "lie" part of the choice that got under my skin the most, but it's also the all or nothing aspect of the choices. That ties back to the first sentence of my post though, which is that making games is hard, especially with multiple branching paths. But I think you may be right in that it is just poor phrasing on getting us to pick demons or witches.
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And now for a completely different topic.
Am I the only one that thinks that the antagonist, the super powerful witch who also happens to be an incredibly powerful demon succubus is just...ugly? Basically a bad render, that looks weird? I mean Pale Ginger McSaggyboobs is the being that could seduce and best the most powerful being in all the seven realms?
Am I the only one that thinks that the antagonist, the super powerful witch who also happens to be an incredibly powerful demon succubus is just...ugly? Basically a bad render, that looks weird? I mean Pale Ginger McSaggyboobs is the being that could seduce and best the most powerful being in all the seven realms?
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Downtown Abbey serie is a good exemple, the Family treat their servants right but they are still servants, in Ancient/middle age even if slave, they still cost you too much to don't take care of them, like i wrote early without behing a big assole/abusive master i still don't feel the normal mechanic of hierarchy, but a the end it's just my feeling & Dev have the right to keep the story as it is atm... the story is good enought like that.
I don't ask to re-write/remove stuff, as i see the interrest in some paths to have it writed like that, but imo a 3rd path where you are more stern/assertive & maybe more dominating would feel right...
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Here is a small contribution to this amazing VN.
With the big improvements on animations and renders for U19, i came to the conclusion that it was a Sin to watch
those beauties having sex at 15FPS.
So after four(or five) bottles of refreshing beer and some Interpolation magic...
Now we have all those glorious titties and asses bouncing at 60FPS (up to U19).Feel free to check and implement on your own Patreon/Steam build if you like.
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Avaron1974
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Gina isn't a slave or servant.
Once she's trained how she should be she'll be quite high up in the Werewolf heirarchy.
motseer
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It proves just how POWERFUL the spell really was and so, it wasn't Lucius' fault at all.
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Or that he needs some glasses, 20/20 sight is not under Vampires treats it seems but is ok he is more than a few thousend years old Yet they act way too causaly with each others, even more as the MC state it will just be a relation of convenance & not a romance.
We have the possibility to take advantage of both the state of the brother & the crush that Gyna have, & without being a asshole we are still way too considerate that make us being weird at the end... not friendly enought yet not dominating enought, making a feel of unachieved path or "having the ass between two chairs".
& even if inside the werwolf hierarchy she can be high up, she's still low inside the realm hierarchy, she's only part of minor nobility if i'm not wrong, or at least only a Baroness...
Not to forget she was part of a pack who have attempted a coup & tried to kill the King, that fact only make right to enslave here & every survivor of the pack, or be send to Jail/dungeon
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