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The State of Porn Gaming
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Nice meme, this is why I won't touch DAZ games with a 10 feet pole. But putting on a Serious Hat for a second, WEGs are doing quite well. Could do better, sure (and what in this world couldn't?), but not terrible either.
First, a freeware class of software is always going to be like it. There's the Sturgeon's law ("ninety percent of everything is crap"), and with freeware 90% is actually generous. But on top of that there's a hidden boost for nostalgia in that you as an avid consumer have utterly exhausted good games and you are left with what's new. Which is... yeah, predominantly bad. Yeah, most of us had a honeymoon with the genre when we could play one good game after another.
Honestly, as a person playing almost exclusively games wit 2D art or text-only games, the surprising fact to me is that there's no shortage of good artists... There's a much bigger shortage of good writers, and even worse shortage of game devs (really, of any quality above dogshit)
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Indeed.
Easy one. Now there are some easy tools, porn game are much more funny to make than play. Some may face harsh reality.
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These "discussions" always remind me of children finding out about economics for the first time. Did you know that the majority of all businesses fail within a year? Wow! Did you know that people chase trends that seem popular? Wow!
If you want the market to move in a certain direction put your money into projects you enjoy, otherwise shut the fuck up and stop complaining.
If you want the market to move in a certain direction put your money into projects you enjoy, otherwise shut the fuck up and stop complaining.
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Sure, what foolish children we are.
That's why you did throw money at Doctor Amana.
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The biggest problem is how amateur-heavy the entire industry is, which is mainly related to the industry's size, It's pretty tiny, and there isn't that much money in it right now, but it's getting slightly larger by the day. Most people with money won't make or invest in a porn game because the profit isn't there; developers usually solo projects part-time and then full-time if they manage to make enough money on it, but it is seldom a wage that allows you to hire writers, artists, programmers, audio designers and all the other people that make decent games great. Another problem in WEGs is that a big chunk of them are forever projects, that can't or won't be sold on Steam, and Steam is a massive fucking market.
(A big reason we see so many shitty daz3d ren'py games is because of how easy they are to make as a solo person without much skill relating to art or writing)
Adult games like Seeds of Chaos, where Lord Arioch, the lead dev, got enough money to hire some very talented people are very hard to find. It's probably one of the few games on this site that actually has a plot that serves a purpose larger than seeing more porn on your screen. And even a game like that comes into problems, the Patreon is stagnant at best or falling at worst. Probably because the first arc isn't even completed yet and the content is quite extreme and might drive some people away.
But adult games don't even need good, deep, and serious plots to succeed. look at NekoPara, it sold over 5 million copies. Its story is quite literally cat girls going nyaa, but do you know what the game does have? quality art, animation, voice acting, and very likable characters (despite them being relatively basic), do you know what all that requires? capital, sure, if you are an artist you can make the art AND plot yourself! but you can't voice act 6 cat girls + other characters. If the project is any big you'll have to hire other artists to assist anyways because otherwise, it will take forever.
Honestly what I would recommend for new devs is making smaller manageable projects and actually releasing them on platforms like steam and dlsite. I think it would be far more profitable, it's what Japan does. My 5-15 dollar Patreon donations will help carry your game their (if it includes monster girls).
tl:dr: Money is the biggest issue
(A big reason we see so many shitty daz3d ren'py games is because of how easy they are to make as a solo person without much skill relating to art or writing)
Adult games like Seeds of Chaos, where Lord Arioch, the lead dev, got enough money to hire some very talented people are very hard to find. It's probably one of the few games on this site that actually has a plot that serves a purpose larger than seeing more porn on your screen. And even a game like that comes into problems, the Patreon is stagnant at best or falling at worst. Probably because the first arc isn't even completed yet and the content is quite extreme and might drive some people away.
But adult games don't even need good, deep, and serious plots to succeed. look at NekoPara, it sold over 5 million copies. Its story is quite literally cat girls going nyaa, but do you know what the game does have? quality art, animation, voice acting, and very likable characters (despite them being relatively basic), do you know what all that requires? capital, sure, if you are an artist you can make the art AND plot yourself! but you can't voice act 6 cat girls + other characters. If the project is any big you'll have to hire other artists to assist anyways because otherwise, it will take forever.
Honestly what I would recommend for new devs is making smaller manageable projects and actually releasing them on platforms like steam and dlsite. I think it would be far more profitable, it's what Japan does. My 5-15 dollar Patreon donations will help carry your game their (if it includes monster girls).
tl:dr: Money is the biggest issue
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I don't think it's fair to think of everyone on this site as a pirate who doesn't contribute, a lot of people use f95 as a sort of catalog to find new games to support, that's what I do anyways.
It's absolute cancer. Any shape or form.
Remind me what happened to "real porn" not so far away.
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I don't think it's what he's saying. He just state the obvious: those who complain are always the same.
How many among those who contribute do you see complaining because "Patreon is shit", "games are shits", "there's too many early abandoned games", and stupidities like this ?
Oh, of course, not having your Patreon account linked to the forum doesn't mean that you don't contribute, but it's more the way they argument their complain that betrays them. They are nothing more than freeloaders who complain because there's not their favorite beer in your fridge that you are the only one to fill.
It doesn't mean that the scene is in a good state, that Patreon is the best business model ever, that there's not effectively too many games abandoned too early, and so on. But they are complaining while being part of the problem and clearly not wanting to be part of the possible solution.
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"linking" is perhaps not the right word, but yes.
Go to your account, then select the "connected account" page in the settings. If you set your Patreon account, the creators you supports and that also "linked" their Patreon here, will appear on the left of your posts, below your avatar, pseudonym and all.
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^^AON clarifies my brevity.
Also, I think very few people on this site are actually 'pirates' in the understanding of the term as it is meant for software. Pirates are the ones who upload copyrighted content on here - which is a miniscule minority. The sharing of freeware or demoware or "pay what you choose"-ware and developers which share their product here for free -- they aren't pirates. People who simply download stuff from here (such as I), aren't pirates.
But there are a lot of lazy fucks (like me), that think they are entitled (not me) to free product and think developers should listen to their demands and that their opinions are the majority's opinions of subscribers/purchasers.
https://f95zone.to/account/connected-accounts/
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They're not easy to make.
They seem easy, as long as you're just loading shit you buy from the Daz shop. But the second you try to go beyond that you quickly realize the program is deliberately limited to sell more products from the Daz shop.
I've made scenes in Daz Studio and then scrapped them and redone them in Blender, and I've also made scenes in Blender and then exported the poses back to Daz Studio. Posing in Blender is effortless and easy, posing in Daz Studio is fucking awful. You pretty much have to load up on $15 pose sets (sold by Daz3d) to pose anything. And when your game needs a lot of sex poses (which Daz does not sell) you're up shit creek without a paddle.
So I think another big reason there's so many abandoned games is that people get overly ambitious and try to go beyond just loading Daz assets, and quickly realize the piece of crap program can't fulfill those ambitions.
And even though Blender is a much better program, converting Daz assets isn't for the feint of heart even if you're an advanced user. Daz Studio uses a weird-ass skin shading technique that can't be done in Blender and there's some complex environments like Urban Sprawl 3 that require a lot of manual work to optimize them for Blender. So for an amateur game developer, there's a very steep learning curve that comes with graduating from a cash-grab asset library (with a shitty program tacked onto it) to an actual, professional tool. I think most wouldn't even bother.
When the number of bad games being produced starts actively preventing good games from being made, and you can demonstrate a clear causal relationship between those things, then I'll buy the argument you're making. Otherwise, you're just too lazy to figure out how to use the filters in Latest Updates. Personally, I've been very happy with the recent HTML games. But sure, if all you want is Ren'py 3dcg games you've never seen before, most of them are utter dogshit. That hasn't really changed in a while.
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For me one of the most disappointing thing is that some good games follow these trends highlighted like there was a fallout sex game that had some nice art and such and it's poof abandoned and gone. It's actually kind of sad when some talented individuals whom show they do have what it takes to create something nice and then let that talent waste away to milk fundraising instead.
Sure I understand that in some cases, real life just gets in the way but that doesn't make me feel any less disappointed.
As an aside, I also think the way paetrons voting/rewards are set up make progress impossible. Everybody wants their thing in it and then devs have to work to implement all these side content for them and end up never going anywhere and those are the one's that at least do something with their works.
Sure I understand that in some cases, real life just gets in the way but that doesn't make me feel any less disappointed.
As an aside, I also think the way paetrons voting/rewards are set up make progress impossible. Everybody wants their thing in it and then devs have to work to implement all these side content for them and end up never going anywhere and those are the one's that at least do something with their works.