VN Ren'Py The Swordbearer [v0.10] [Caramel Cowboy]

[Abhai]

the forced lewd scene with the prostitute is still in game, even if the dev said he wanted to change that. what is that for a romance story if you start already on Talitha's Path and the first thing the MC does is Cheating on her, that ruins it completely for me!

i wouldnt call it a big deal considering the whole setup, though I might sound as hypocrite considering I dont like enforced scenes/characters as well. it shouldnt be that hard to modify, and make the whole bordel visit optional regardless.

it had to be said though that Ive seen much worse/enforced scenes and characters in way more popular games of much more experienced developers...there almost no one complains in that regard considering those characters are favs of many players (despite not being integral to the story in that way), so here is that, a bit of hypocrisy (not saying you or me in particular, yet in general sense we all are prone to it).

my only advice would be - consider it as a part of the story where mc grows up, and enjoy this great game/story.

 

[xXxNeospiritxXx]

consider it as a part of the story where mc grows up, and enjoy this great game/story.

I'll leave it at that, even though I completely disagree with it.

it shouldnt be that hard to modify, and make the whole bordel visit optional regardless.

exactly, and that was what he already said before the last update, i don't understand where the problem is to make that scene avoidable. he loses players like me just bc of that, and that makes him look lazy. i would just uninstall the game and be fine with it if he would say that it was planned like this and he doesn't want to change it, ok so be it. but don't say you want to change that and then you don't or you need a year just to make that scene avoidable.

btw. even the idea to say you make a romance game where you are not forced into a harem and the first thing the mc does is cheating with a prostitute is not pretty smart at least not if there is not some drama planned. if that was just to give the players an early lewd scene then i wouldn't call it clever to say it gently.

 

[CaramelCowboy]

I'll leave it at that, even though I completely disagree with it.


exactly, and that was what he already said before the last update, i don't understand where the problem is to make that scene avoidable. he loses players like me just bc of that, and that makes him look lazy. i would just uninstall the game and be fine with it if he would say that it was planned like this and he doesn't want to change it, ok so be it. but don't say you want to change that and then you don't or you need a year just to make that scene avoidable.

btw. even the idea to say you make a romance game where you are not forced into a harem and the first thing the mc does is cheating with a prostitute is not pretty smart at least not if there is not some drama planned. if that was just to give the players an early lewd scene then i wouldn't call it clever to say it gently.

You're not entirely wrong about the lazy part. It's PART of it but I'll get better at managing stuff. All of my releases have been so messy with planned deadlines so I end up having a chaotic last few days and even the easy stuff like the brothel scene change gets delayed. I'll win you back!

Also, sorry f95, I've been in the Middle East for all of February and I couldn't access the site unless I had a VPN. I could barely get on my patreon page (yes even that was blocked) with the vpn so getting on f95 would've been worse. I just got back today.

 

[xXxNeospiritxXx]

You're not entirely wrong about the lazy part. It's PART of it but I'll get better at managing stuff. All of my releases have been so messy with planned deadlines so I end up having a chaotic last few days and even the easy stuff like the brothel scene change gets delayed. I'll win you back!

Also, sorry f95, I've been in the Middle East for all of February and I couldn't access the site unless I had a VPN. I could barely get on my patreon page (yes even that was blocked) with the vpn so getting on f95 would've been worse. I just got back today.

i respect your sincere reply and still hope to enjoy your game in the future, i will wait

 

[YogSothoth1982]

Honestly, I was skeptical about adding this one but I went ahead with it anyway because

The only sex scene in this release takes place in a brothel and I plan on keeping that as part of the story even when *COU if GH* the MC moves to the capital.

Is it possible to avoid scenes with prostitutes?

 

[CaramelCowboy]

Is it possible to avoid scenes with prostitutes?

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[Vidal the king of Pervert]

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thank you for letting me know brother

I don't like force sex scenes as you know

I'm very monogamous if you remember I'm saving myself for one particular girl

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If it's just a handjob, it's not so bad. In any case, I find it okay to lose the side story content with prostitutes.

 

[Vidal the king of Pervert]

If it's just a handjob, it's not so bad. In any case, I find it okay to lose the side story content with prostitutes.

what can I say my brother I'm a weird guy I don't like any forced sexual content

but yeah me and you are the same I don't care about missing out on content in a game

 

[YogSothoth1982]

what can I say my brother I'm a weird guy I don't like any forced sexual content

but yeah me and you are the same I don't care about missing out on content in a game

Personally I prefer to be the one who decides. And since I'm only interested in the content with the LIs that the MC is going to end up having a romantic relationship at the end of the game, and that's not going to be the case for any of the prostitutes, then I'm going to wait until the handjob can be avoided.

 

[Vidal the king of Pervert]

Personally I prefer to be the one who decides. And since I'm only interested in the content with the LIs that the MC is going to end up having a romantic relationship at the end of the game, and that's not going to be the case for any of the prostitutes, then I'm going to wait until the handjob can be avoided.

yeah I'm with you as much as I love the game and I do love the game

I'm going to wait

besides like I said I've already chosen My One True Love and it's probably going to be a while before she shows up again sooo

and on a side note, I think my girl is the most attractive girl in the game

I like girls with a dark and dangerous edge and she has that

 

[YogSothoth1982]

yeah I'm with you as much as I love the game and I do love the game

I'm going to wait

besides like I said I've already chosen My One True Love and it's probably going to be a while before she shows up again sooo

and on a side note, I think my girl is the most attractive girl in the game

I like girls with a dark and dangerous edge and she has that

As long as I can end the game with the MC having a romantic relationship with all the LIs that I like, I find it fine.

 

[Vidal the king of Pervert]

As long as I can end the game with the MC having a romantic relationship with all the LIs that I like, I find it fine.

I hope we get an ending with the girls we like and it's part of the game

you know what I mean with some games sometimes. the Romantic relationships don't feel a part of the story

 

[YogSothoth1982]

I hope we get an ending with the girls we like and it's part of the game

you know what I mean with some games sometimes. the Romantic relationships don't feel a part of the story

Yes, that happens more than once.

 

[Tiur]

If it's just a handjob, it's not so bad. In any case, I find it okay to lose the side story content with prostitutes.

The MC doesn't expect the interaction with her in the first place, the visit to the brothel is a gift, and he didn't know it was a brothel before entering. The woman in question also (1) doesn't stay a prostitute; and (2) did say she only used her hands at the brothel. The whole interaction is actually pretty light-hearted and sweet, not at all tawdry. If the player chooses, later on she and the MC talk for a while and become friends, and she tells him she quit working at the brothel, and implies she hadn't been working there for long when they first met. She is likely to be a minor romantic side character in the starter town later on in the story when the MC returns, like a few other LIs there are. She does not talk in detail about past relationships, though she mentions having given up a child in the past (after the father abandoned her).

 

[Vidal the king of Pervert]

The MC doesn't expect the interaction with her in the first place, the visit to the brothel is a gift, and he didn't know it was a brothel before entering. The woman in question also (1) doesn't stay a prostitute; and (2) did say she only used her hands at the brothel. The whole interaction is actually pretty light-hearted and sweet, not at all tawdry. If the player chooses, later on she and the MC talk for a while and become friends, and she tells him she quit working at the brothel, and implies she hadn't been working there for long when they first met. She is likely to be a minor romantic side character in the starter town later on in the story when the MC returns, like a few other LIs there are. She does not talk in detail about past relationships, though she mentions having given up a child in the past (after the father abandoned her).

wait now I remember I played that part already

and yes I didn't like it but I just ignored it and pray it wouldn't happen again

 

[YogSothoth1982]

The MC doesn't expect the interaction with her in the first place, the visit to the brothel is a gift, and he didn't know it was a brothel before entering. The woman in question also (1) doesn't stay a prostitute; and (2) did say she only used her hands at the brothel. The whole interaction is actually pretty light-hearted and sweet, not at all tawdry. If the player chooses, later on she and the MC talk for a while and become friends, and she tells him she quit working at the brothel, and implies she hadn't been working there for long when they first met. She is likely to be a minor romantic side character in the starter town later on in the story when the MC returns, like a few other LIs there are. She does not talk in detail about past relationships, though she mentions having given up a child in the past (after the father abandoned her).

It doesn't stop being a handjob in a brothel, and I still only want scenes with the LIs that will have a romantic relationship with the MC. In my case, if she gives the handjob to the MC she's not going to interest me as a LI, if she doesn't give it, there's a remote chance that she will.

 

[Vidal the king of Pervert]

It doesn't stop being a handjob in a brothel, and I still only want scenes with the LIs that will have a romantic relationship with the MC. In my case, if she gives the handjob to the MC she's not going to interest me as a LI, if she doesn't give it, there's a remote chance that she will.

I agree even if I didn't already pick my girl which I already have I really don't want to mess with a prostitute no offense

to the character, I'm sure she's very nice

 

[xortor]

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Dude, you giving the players agency over even just a little thing like this is huge. I've quit many a game over railroaded sex scenes with characters that I had zero interest in. It feels forced, completely takes you out of the narrative, and is not at all enjoyable. And even if it will be with a character that I adore, making the choice easy, regardless of the likeability of the character it's just the fact that the there will be agency is enough. So even though it is more work for you to implement and write some "turned her down" scenes, I promise you, it will pay off in player enjoyment and engagement.

Looking forward to chapter 5. (And once I have access to my PayPal again, I'll be sure to hit up your Patreon.)
Keep up the good work!

 

[CaramelCowboy]

Dude, you giving the players agency over even just a little thing like this is huge. I've quit many a game over railroaded sex scenes with characters that I had zero interest in. It feels forced, completely takes you out of the narrative, and is not at all enjoyable. And even if it will be with a character that I adore, making the choice easy, regardless of the likeability of the character it's just the fact that the there will be agency is enough. So even though it is more work for you to implement and write some "turned her down" scenes, I promise you, it will pay off in player enjoyment and engagement.

Looking forward to chapter 5. (And once I have access to my PayPal again, I'll be sure to hit up your Patreon.)
Keep up the good work!

It's long overdue honestly. This has been a concern for a long time now among players but if I'm being honest, I was (and still am) figuring out the whole dev thing as I go so it's all a little messy at my end. I need more structure. Most people have been very patient with that scene and I'm grateful.

PS: The Patreon thing is great, thank you! But I just want to remind everyone reading this that playing the game is support too and you don't have to subscribe on Patreon to feel like you're contributing! Thanks again for the comment